Manitoba | Highways

[Mr Tall Forehead]

An East-West pipeline, electricity transmission line and limited access highway sound pretty nation building to me.

It would take a decade plus and cost billions but it would connect the country and drive the economy during construction.

[bomberjet]

I'm hearing the twinning in Whitehsell is close to 1 billion dollars with the northern route option and interchanges, etc. It is part of the national highway network. In reality, the TCH portion in Ontario is the weak link as it's a very long stretch on single lane highway. But in MB, it completes that piece of the twinned highway network.

In larger nation building stuff. Twinning highway 6 to Churchill, mega project. Upgrades to Port of Churchill and new Port Nelson, mega nation building. Have both ports serve different markets and allow higher level of military support. New hydro plants on the Nelson, mega. Railways, mega. All that stuff provides Manitoba and the nation the capabilities to grow economically, socially, militarily. That's what nation building is.

In terms of urban realm stuff in Winnipeg. Mass transit. In all cases, support private sector with incentives.

[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm hearing the twinning in Whitehsell is close to 1 billion dollars with the northern route option and interchanges, etc. It is part of the national highway network. In reality, the TCH portion in Ontario is the weak link as it's a very long stretch on single lane highway. But in MB, it completes that piece of the twinned highway network.

The 6ish kilometres completed so far in Ontario cost $36 million, so for roughly 2.5 times the distance in Manitoba, it's 27 times the cost.

[bomberjet]

Ya I dont get it. It's a new corridor with interchanges. So that'll be the big hit.

[craner]

$1B for 17kms of highway?? - that’s utterly ridiculous.
The Kicking Horse Canyon section through the mountains in BC wasn’t even close to that.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by craner

$1B for 17kms of highway?? - that’s utterly ridiculous.
The Kicking Horse Canyon section through the mountains in BC wasn’t even close to that.

lazzy accounting allows for insane price gouging i dunno what we do in this province but its bad dealing with this up north and seeing this in studies on infrastructure throwing numbers that make no sens

[FactaNV]

Might be one of the benefits of blowing up trade barriers, other provinces' companies can bid.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Might be one of the benefits of blowing up trade barriers, other provinces' companies can bid.

They already do. Miller from Ontario did half of Centreport Way and Aecon, also from Ontario, did the St Mary's overpass. Oh and Flatiron from Alberta did the 59 and 101 overpass. However, they do subcontract most of the work to locals and just manage the job.

[bomberjet]

This is what I heard. But it's second hand info from someone else who also heard this. Maybe if we finally heard straight from the province we'd get first hand info.

[Carboy15]

https://winnipegsun.com/news/provincial/manitoba-invests-24m-in-highway-12-upgrades-near-steinbach

[cllew]

Originally Posted by plrh

They already do. Miller from Ontario did half of Centreport Way and Aecon, also from Ontario, did the St Mary's overpass. Oh and Flatiron from Alberta did the 59 and 101 overpass. However, they do subcontract most of the work to locals and just manage the job.

Didn't the out of province contractors Flatiron and SNC Lavalin Constructors Pacific both loose money on their respective interchange contracts? I vaguely remember something about geotech issues on both sites causing overruns.

It was to do the the Manitoba Gumbo being used in the bridge approach ramps doing things they were all not use to when it gets wet.

[bomberjet]

Both projects used granular fill, wick drains, etc for the bridges in an effort to control the approach embankments. It's just bad workmanship IMO. Specifically at 59/101 and the settlement.

Noted difference between the two projects is that Centreport uses MSE approach embankments and an approach slab to connect to the bridge. This minimizes the bump at the bridge. 59 did not and that obviously had issues. Centreport I think more of the issue were in general due to the lack of understanding of the Geotechnical requirements for the clay in general.

[bomberjet]

At st Mary's, they used granular fill and cellular concrete for the bridge approaches, as well as approach slabs. Basically not much more you can do. Difference here is that the bridge is on the minor road. No need to worry about it for the high speed route.

[Carboy15]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg/video/20...ng-against-proposed-highway-improvement/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg/article/...roposal-getting-pushback-from-residents/

Hmmm. People are opposing the RCUT design. I understand that the RCUT would take a little bit longer to navigate, but it's better than nothing.

But I doubt that a roundabout would work any better than an RCUT.

[bomberjet]

Good.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

https://www.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg/video/20...ng-against-proposed-highway-improvement/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/winnipeg/article/...roposal-getting-pushback-from-residents/

Hmmm. People are opposing the RCUT design. I understand that the RCUT would take a little bit longer to navigate, but it's better than nothing.

But I doubt that a roundabout would work any better than an RCUT.

Good what the province is proposing is an absolute disgrace and mockery to the families who lost loved ones in that tragedy. The provincial and federal government should be coming to the table with funding for the interchange at this location.

[Carboy15]

https://stroadz.glide.page/dl/d0a5f4/s/c0a8e8/r/UNdcl0k9XoAqdAVcJiat

Just build an Interchange already. It's a simple diamond Interchange, that's all. WallyWhinerOfficial hates that we tend to opt for band-aid solutions rather than a long-term fix.

[KnickKnack]

This being Manitoba we would somehow end up spending $300 million on a simple diamond interchange in a rural area.

[bodaggin]

Something's happening.

Monitor Stroadz.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

Something's happening.

Monitor Stroadz.

Federal dollars for TCH intersection improvements?