Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg - Page 150

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2981** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 4:27 AM**

Anyone know what this means? At the bottom on the description on the project. Section 1.

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/solicitat...63402&origin=2

bomberjet · #**2982** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 1:04 PM**

If you expand the ... it gives the full description.

Description
SECTION I - Winnipeg Traffic Signals, intersection of Provincial Trunk Highway (PTH) 101 and Wenzel Rd.
Installing Traffic Signal Plant which includes concrete bases, underground electrical conduits, and pull pits at the Intersection.

Installation of new signals and detection Cabling, Poles, Signal Heads, Power Pedestal and Traffic Controller will be by Manitoba Infrastructure, Traffic Engineering.

SECTION II - Niverville, Pedestrian Corridor at Provincial Road (PR) 311 and 4th St.
Installing Pedestrian Corridor Plant which includes concrete bases, underground electrical conduits, pull pits and any cutover work needed at the Pedestrian Corridor.

Installation of new signals Cabling, Poles, Signal Heads, and PXO Controller will be by Manitoba Infrastructure, Traffic Engineering.

After the corridor has been transitioned to the new corridor by Manitoba Infrastructure, demolition of:

Non-reused Pedestrian Corridor plant.

SECTION III - Oakbank, Pedestrian Corridor at Provincial Road (PR) 206 and Willow St.
Installing Pedestrian Corridor Plant which includes concrete bases, underground electrical conduits, pull pits and any cutover work needed at the Pedestrian Corridor.

Installation of new signals Cabling, Poles, Signal Heads, and PXO Controller will be by Manitoba Infrastructure, Traffic Engineering.

After the corridor has been transitioned to the new corridor by Manitoba Infrastructure, demolition of:
Non-reused Pedestrian Corridor plant.

SECTION IV - Beausejour, Pedestrian Corridor at Provincial Road (PR) 215 and 2nd St.
Installing Pedestrian Corridor Plant which includes concrete bases, underground electrical conduits, pull pits and any cutover work needed at the Pedestrian Corridor.

Installation of new signals Cabling, Poles, Signal Heads, and PXO Controller will be by Manitoba Infrastructure, Traffic Engineering.

After the corridor has been transitioned to the new corridor by Manitoba Infrastructure, demolition of:
Non-reused Pedestrian Corridor plant.
SECTION V - Gimli, Pedestrian Corridor at Provincial Trunk Highway (PTH) 9 and Keenora Dr
Installing Pedestrian Corridor Plant which includes concrete bases, underground electrical conduits, pull pits and any cutover work needed at the Pedestrian Corridor.

Installation of new signals Cabling, Poles, Signal Heads, and PXO Controller will be by Manitoba Infrastructure, Traffic Engineering.

After the corridor has been transitioned to the new corridor by Manitoba Infrastructure, demolition of:
Non-reused Pedestrian Corridor plant.

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2983** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 5:55 PM**

I did I’m just wondering if they are actually putting up traffic lights or pre wiring them. It mentions underground wiring. I hope it isn’t what I think it is because if its true the province is putting us in an even deeper black hole. Take one away a few meters away add another couple.

bomberjet · #**2984** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 6:26 PM**

Sorry I misread your original post..

Looks like the tender is for the underground portions of the work. MI will install everything above ground.

The roadworks at Wenzel are complete. So looks like they'll be putting up the traffic signals there next.

I'd expect once the upgrades are complete at Gunn (IIRC there is/was a tender out), the traffic lights will go in afterwards.

That should just about do it for new traffic signals on the Perimeter. Please for the love of god.

cllew · #**2985** Posted **Aug 6, 2021, 7:14 PM**

As long they have the lane occupancy sensors on the lower volume routes I can live with signals.

The ones being installed not are not like the old style that had a fixed cycle and you would have to stop even if there was no traffic on the low volume routes.

If there is nobody waiting to enter the main route or trying to make a left turn off the main route, traffic should flow the same as if the intersection was not signalized

rrskylar · #**2986** Posted **Aug 21, 2021, 7:12 PM**

Four people died in a crash on the South Perimeter last night

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2987** Posted **Aug 21, 2021, 9:16 PM**

So sad

but hey let’s keep delaying all these interchange projects some more. The province is literally foolish and pathetic. Wouldn’t happen as easy if the highway was better controlled with interchanges. Sigh..

rrskylar · #**2988** Posted **Aug 21, 2021, 11:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

So sad

but hey let’s keep delaying all these interchange projects some more. The province is literally foolish and pathetic. Wouldn’t happen as easy if the highway was better controlled with interchanges. Sigh..

Hey but we got a football stadium for $200 M + that gets used a dozen times a year!

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2989** Posted **Aug 22, 2021, 2:30 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Hey but we got a football stadium for $200 M + that gets used a dozen times a year!

Haha your killing me over here

esquire · #**2990** Posted **Aug 22, 2021, 2:31 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Hey but we got a football stadium for $200 M + that gets used a dozen times a year!

But I like football!

YWG-RO · #**2991** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 12:31 PM**

Terrible head on collision on EB 100 between St. Mary’s and St. Anne’s. four fatalities. RIP.

Province must devise a plan to remove all at grade intersections within 5 years. Only grade separated and RIRO, no traffic signals.

Too bad if you have to drive 2 km out of your way, or get on 100/101 and turn around at the next interchange. Let’s join the 1970s please.

esquire · #**2992** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 1:46 PM**

Strictly anecdotal, but a lot of these "wrong way down the divided highway" collisions seem to happen in the dead of night around 3 am. At that hour you have to wonder what impact impairment has. Better road engineering can help, but you also wish people would realize that getting loaded and jumping behind the wheel is still going to end badly in quite a few cases, even if there are interchanges.

I'm not saying don't build the interchanges, I'm just saying they are needed to deal with 5 pm traffic, not necessarily 3 am traffic.

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2993** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 1:50 PM**

I emailed Ron schuler expressing my anger on this accident and the speed of these interchanges getting built. I got a response from him almost instantly. I suggest sending him an email. The more people that express anger about the slow speed of getting these interchanges built, the better.

Ron@ronschuler.com

CoryB · #**2994** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 3:09 PM**

Wrong way on divided highways are not exclusive to the type of intersections that currently exist on the Perimeter. Trying to suggest if it was exclusively grade separated they would never is huge overreach.

anthonyk · #**2995** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:28 PM**

Technically, any time you allow left turns, or there is no raised median, there is a possibility of wrong way drivers. The problem lies with the driver going the wrong way, not the fact that the perimeter isn't grade separated, you could just as easily accidentally turn left (or right) onto the Perimeter exit ramp from St Anne's Road once it is a diamond.

Dengler Avenue · #**2996** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:35 PM**

Are drivers from rural area accustomed to divided highways?

anthonyk · #**2997** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:37 PM**

Further, I would be in full support of MIT adding this to the North/South Perimeter Safety Improvements.

https://carmanah.com/product-categor...river-systems/

esquire · #**2998** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:49 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Are drivers from rural area accustomed to divided highways?

For the most part I would think so given that there are divided highways in rural areas like 1, 75, 59, and even stretches of 7, 8 and 44. But it's a different story at three in the morning when you have 10 vodka-sevens flowing through your bloodstream.

YWG-RO · #**2999** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:52 PM**

Completely agree.

However, the “Swiss cheese” approach to QA/QI would suggest that the fewer opportunities to enter the wrong lanes, the less risk of such an event happening. Proper engineering goes a long way to avoiding these tragic circumstances. I stand by my post suggesting that Manitoba create a safer highway system around Winnipeg, especially in light of the increasing traffic counts since the original design and build back in the 1950-60s.

Thank you.

WildCake · #**3000** Posted **Aug 23, 2021, 4:55 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by YWG-RO

Completely agree.

However, the “Swiss cheese” approach to QA/QI would suggest that the fewer opportunities to enter the wrong lanes, the less risk of such an event happening. Proper engineering goes a long way to avoiding these tragic circumstances. I stand by my post suggesting that Manitoba create a safer highway system around Winnipeg, especially in light of the increasing traffic counts since the original design and build back in the 1950-60s.

Thank you.

Agreed. Proper highway systems won't prevent everything but should greatly reduce the incidence of such tragedies. Road engineering could reduce the likelihood of some f*ckwit drunk out of their minds going the wrong way.