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^the link is incorrect, but I found the information. Thanks for that! How is your project on the WCK going?
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Kung Fu Hustle & the Walled City

If you like Hong Kong Kung Fu movies, then
Kung Fu Hustle is a fun movie to watch.
It has definite references to the Walled City.

Kung Fu Hustle and the Walled City
references from Jump Cut review

Link for full text:
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/jc49.2007/Szeto/2.html


>>>>>>
"Pig Sty Alley is “Chu Lung Shing Chai,” which is a Cantonese

pun on the Kowloon Walled City (“Gau Lung Shing Chai”)."


.....Pig Sty Alley and its residents are reminiscent of the Hong

Kong film The House of 72 Tenants (1972). Chow mentioned

that he created Pig Sty from his childhood experience, with the

design of the Alley being similar to the crowded Hong Kong

complexes of his youth (City 34). In the film Pig Sty Alley is set

against huge commercial billboards of local Hong Kong

businesses or products such as traditional Chinese bakeries and

herbal syrup. Despite its local connections, “Pig Sty Alley”

literally has translocal association with one of the earliest

gangster films by D.W. Griffith, The Musketeers of Pig Alley

(1912). These crosscultural references are further complicated

by the fact that the Chinese translation of Pig Sty Alley is “Chu

Lung Shing Chai,” which is a Cantonese pun on the Kowloon

Walled City (“Gau Lung Shing Chai”). In commenting on

Chow’s recoding and play on Cantonese slang, Linda Lai Chiu

-Han notes that Chow’s early nonsensical films are executed

with a “rhetoric of subversion” (as distinguished from actual

“subversion”) that opposes official discourse. The films indicate

a politics of “internal commemoration” that creates a sense of

solidarity among the local viewers that is impenetrable to those

“outside” viewers who are not part of this communal

membership (246).

.....In Kung Fu Hustle, this Cantonese reference to the Kowloon

Walled City marks out a distinct territory of word play that is

impenetrable to audiences who are outside of the Hong Kong

community. The Kowloon Walled City has a unique role in

Hong Kong's colonial history. It was China's tiny enclave in the

middle of British Hong Kong for decades, an extra-territory

within the British colonial Hong Kong that became a place of

no-man’s land since even the British colonialist did not have

sovereignty over it. It was said that as late as the 1970s the local

triads were the only real administration within the Walled City

until it was finally torn down in 1993 (Leung 34). Chow

expands his early nonsensical wordplay of Cantonese

vocabulary and slang, and in Kung Fu Hustle creates a new

source of communal solidarity for Hong Kong people who are

familiar with the history of the Walled City.


...In this case, the Walled City is a nodal point of the anarchic

social landscape of jianghu. In 1997, the Hong Kong Special

Administrative Region (HKSAR) enacted a Basic Law providing

those regions with a high degree of autonomy, a separate

political system and a capitalist economy, under the principle of

"one country, two systems" proposed by Deng Xiaoping.

Despite Hong Kong's political transformation from a former

British colony to part of the PRC, Chow attempts to replace the

reality of post-1997 Hong Kong and its reunification with the

PRC with his own imaginative projection of the present on to a

Kowloon Walled City/ Shanghai in which histories of British

colonialism and Chinese revolution/ socialism are to be

suspended. He also projects such a present onto a 1940s urban

gangland, which has clear crosscultural references to both U.S.

and Hong Kong gangster films. Kung Fu Hustle, therefore,

redefines China by imagining Shanghai before 1949 and

transposing it into an urban landscape nurtured in a capitalist

economy and ideology.
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Kowloons Gate

Sorry goofed that up

Will try again


Kowloons Gate video playthrough.
http://www.youtube.com/user/kowloonsgate522


There's about 50 videos.
All in Japanese, but the signs are in Chinese with quite abit of English for some reeason.


Shows passages and various buildings.
Don't know how percisly accurate, but has quite abit of detail.
Pipes, wires, the wet passages and the host of metal gates that
poliferated the Walled City
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what an awesome landscape for a quest computer game: the walled city of Kowloon. Something like Doom, perhaps.
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@MolsonExport

thank you for starting this thread. the collection of kwc material is awesome!

some years ago i stumbled over some information regarding kwc, and i was pretty surprised to find out that i've already been there playing shenmue 2 on dreamcast.. ;-)

the book 'city of darkness' was on my must-have list but the price of the english release much to high. i went with the japanese version. same pictures and almost as easy to understand if one has a japanese background. lucky me!

anyway, the documentary from haymann lau came to my attention and i, too, was searching for a way to get my eyes on this film. no luck, though... i lost track of her in australia (some kind of goverment office...) and never tried the telefon number provided on their old webpage. too sad, this documentary seems so promising. i can't understand that they keep the film closed to the public. ???

i was so surprised to find this forum... in my quest for kowloon material i totally overlooked to search the forums. hahaha!

nobody, at least it seems so, has replyed to this thread with a link to gibson's book 'idoru'... funny, because he has some kwc links, too. anyhow, a digital version of kwc is on it's way and will be released someday.

the images in this thread are almost always from 'regular' imagesearch. whenever you search on flicker, for example, you'll find so much more. especially the scale model of kwc. very fine material for measurements and other rebuilding hints.

before finishing this post, please check the wonderjapan magazine.

http://wonderjapan.jp/w/

if you're able to order this magazine or can visit japan... please have a look!

cheers and thanks again!


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^thanks for the link. I will be in Japan for a conference in September.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 11:56 PM
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Article about the "The Walled City"

Hi all,

what a fascinating bunch of buildings...! Found this article about about 'The Walled City'.

http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/..._anarchie.html


However it's only in german, it shows some pics as well, probably from the book 'City of Darkness:
Life in Kowloon Walled City'.

I don't know if it has alredy been posted, but for everyone interested in the book...
it can be found and ordered here...

http://www.watermarkpublications.co.uk/kowloon.htm


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^At least three forumers own copies of that book, including myself (a very, very, very good read).
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Walled City footage

Molson(and all others), here's a couple of 1970's clips from RTHK TV
on YouTube from our friend the KWC Phantom.

Some more inside footage

http://www.youtube.com/user/KWCPhantom
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Thanks for that link...I am enjoying it now as I eat my lunch.
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Count me as another one who is happily surprised that this thread isn't dead!

MolsonExport - thanks for starting and tending to this thread - it's great.

teekay - You've done a great job with the Wikipedia article - kudos.

In fact, I dug through the links in the references section from the article and found some things that I don't think have been posted in this thread yet.

Another ground level map, including the locations of the 8 standpipes:



And this interesting tidbit:

"According to a survey conducted by the Kowloon Walled City Kai Fong Welfare Advancement Association in 1983, there was a total of 645 business and factory establishments operating within the Walled City. These include 89 clinics, 97 dental clinics, 77 shops, 28 restaurants, 12 electrical appliance shops, 10 real estate agencies, 30 factories in textiles, 44 in garment manufacturing, 35 in meat and 33 in cake production."

source for both: Ho Siu Fong, Betty. (1986) "Redevelopment of the Kowloon Walled City: a feasibility study" University of Hong Kong


I also read that because developers were limited to buildings under a certain level, they often minimized floor-to-floor heights to maximize how many units they could sell. You can kind of see this in some of the exterior photos, where the stories don't always match up from building to building. It is somewhat frightening to think about just how high people would have tried to build KWC if it wasn't for Kai Tak being so close by.

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^Great contribution! I had not come across this map before. I find the business statistics very interesting. In "City of Darkness", there were 3-5 page segments with photos of BBQ-pork roasting businesses (The whole pig roasted at once), fishball factories (apparently supplying 90% of the entire market in Hong Kong), candy factories (with 30 people tediously wrapping hard candy, all day, everyday), family-run noodle factories (everything covered in thick rice-flour dust, but for the lit cigarettes). Also, there were literally hundreds of unlicensed dental establishments. Get a tooth yanked, and pick up your roasted whole BBQ pig. One stop shopping in the Walled City of Kowloon.
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Feasability Article

YoMatt, does the article have a lists of the manufacturers at the time?
We are trying to locate a couple of manufacturers from there at
the time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MolsonExport
...one stop shopping...
I get the impression from my readings that many, if not most, of the inhabitants of KWC rarely left the complex. I can see this being true if you were an illegal immigrant or someone wanted on criminal charges: why leave the relative safety of the city when you risk being deported or arrested outside of the city?

Too, given the general lack of city services and infrastructure, there were many opportunities for work. Some of the common jobs I've seen mentioned are water deliveries (from water suppliers that mixed water from the standpipes with water from private wells to increase supply), emptying chamber pots (!!), and delivering messages within KWC.

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YoMatt, does the article have a lists of the manufacturers at the time?
We are trying to locate a couple of manufacturers from there at
the time.
Unfortunately, the document I've been quoting from doesn't give much more information about the business aspects of KWC. The lack of tax records and such makes it hard to quantify the full scope of the economics of KWC. However, there is a chart showing the general location of businesses by type, cross-referenced by street (hope it helps!):



I've been searching in my free time for the original study by the KWC Kai Fong Welfare Advancement Committee, but haven't had any luck yet. I feel like I've exhausted searches at google.com and have been doing searches at google.hk, making extensive using of online translators.


Which reminds me: as someone mentioned earlier, doing image searches in Chinese at google.hk is a great way to find information about KWC.

I stumbled across the following picture in one of those searches. I forget the original source, but it appears to come from one the Hong Kong Library resources. It's an interesting picture, an angle you don't often see of the KWC:

(Thumbnail shown below. Click image for larger original. ~770 KB)


I'm not sure when the photo is dated, but it was taken at an interesting time for the KWC. The land just to the N/NW of KWC (across Tung Tau Tsuen Road) has been cleared for new development, but the complex has not yet been built (and the name of that apartment complex escapes me at the moment). The squatter complex to the south hasn't been cleared out yet either, and I'm guessing that the clearing of those shacks either caused or greatly enhanced KWC's incredible growth in the '70's and '80's.

In this photo, it appears to still be a relatively reasonable place to live, before massive internal development made it into the beast of later years.

I've spent more time on this today than I should have , but I will post more again later as I find interesting things to share!
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Fantastic shot. Never seen that angle before...I posted something from the same era c. 1973 back on the first page.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the photo is from within a year or two of the aerial shot from 1973. You can see the apartment complex across the street being built in 1973, where in the earlier photo the land has just been cleared.

I've had fun looking at these shots and then comparing them with later exterior shots, trying to find the same buildings again!
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I found some more interesting stuff for everybody.

I found the web site for the KWC Kai Fong Welfare Advancement Association and they have a few photo galleries. One has several group photos from over the years, and even includes a scan of an eviction notice from the end.

(Click thumbnails for links)


I also found some kind of Chinese aggregate site, which turned out to be a little gold mine. http://hkfilex.rthk.org.hk/tags/listing.php?tid=189
None of the online translators made much sense of the articles, so I will just link to the them directly and post summaries of what made sense from the translators.

First, a link to a story of the guy that drew the map we see most often online - Mr. Chan Cheung. He was a mechanical engineer and drew several maps of KWC. He and his wife even lived in KWC for awhile to save money. When asked if had been worried about living there, he said that he had played there as a kid with a friend and was already familiar with life there and liked it. He was a volunteer for the KWC Kaifong Welfare Association and they used one of his maps as part of their work. His map was so well made that the fire department even used it (at least once).



On another page, there's a video where somebody talks about the map for some length, again all in Chinese. It may be the same guy, but I really have no idea. However, there are some interesting maps on the same page. One is the map from above, but another is a map from 1981 that I haven't seen elsewhere yet. There is also some kind of line plan of a building, I think.



One really interesting page with another video talks about the census data collected in 1987 for the KWC. From what I can tell from the online translators, only aggregate statistical census data is kept long term in Hong Kong. The author (or speaker) believes that due to the unique situation and place that was the KWC, the individual census records from it should be kept as well as a matter of history. He goes on to say that future generations should know more about the KWC than just "subjective images and photos of the dark side".



Also on that page is this amazing image, a sample of the census data collected.



There are three pages of articles at the link above to the aggregate site. Some of them are articles or videos that have already been posted here, but some of it is new, too.

Enjoy!
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^these are outstanding finds. Great archival material for WCK fanatics.
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