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Old Posted Jun 4, 2017, 4:25 PM
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Ryan Robinson (the demographer) projected ~2025 I believe (back in 2016). https://austintx.swagit.com/play/02232016-2106

Of course, that was before San Jose saw negative growth in the most recent release (but I'm not sure how much I believe that, remember these are estimates with fairly large error bars, and I'm guessing that decline was just noise in those estimates).
Yea. I'm no demographer. The 2020 census will be telling. I was just eyeing it up based on what I saw here:
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

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Probably a _long_ time (if it ever happens) but it would be fun to see us, Dallas, and Fort Worth jump San Diego, and have 5 of the top 10 in Texas. We'd all need to step up our game (especially FW) to make sure we're not caught by Charlotte/Seattle/Denver.
Well. It looks like Fort Worth is getting ready to jump multiple cities like Austin just did. It may not be long before they settle in right behind us on this list. Five of the top 11 or 12 would still be impressive.

It will be a couple decades before we pass another city (after passing San Jose), but I'm not so sure it will be San Diego. They still have growth spurts from time to time. Philadelphia (city), however, has become stagnant population wise. They could be more likely to drop a couple notches than San Diego.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 3:34 PM
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Holy crap! The Austin metro population grew almost 5% in the past year and a half:

http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-l...rea-population-22-million-ryan-robinson/
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 4:23 PM
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Holy crap! The Austin metro population grew almost 5% in the past year and a half:

http://austin.culturemap.com/news/city-l...rea-population-22-million-ryan-robinson/
I know San Antonio is still growing rapidly, but we're going to his San Antonios MSA sooner than we think.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 4:39 PM
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Austin Metro will surpass SA around 2027... in about 10 years.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:02 PM
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Austin Metro will surpass SA around 2027... in about 10 years.
Really??? That can't be possible. It's already much bigger and it's also growing. I bet we can pass Kansas City, Cincinnati and maybe Sacramento and Pittsburgh.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:08 PM
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Really??? That can't be possible. It's already much bigger and it's also growing.
But growing at a slower rate.

The Austin metro is growing about 50% faster (20% in 6 years compared to 13% in 6 years).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

If those rates hold to anything close to that, Austin overtaking SA is inevitable, that math is simple.

Realistically, you really should expect Austin to slow down a bit as it gets larger and larger. But the experts prediction is still to overtake not all that far in the future.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:32 PM
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This is what I got from the Texas State Data Center using a moderate growth projection (0.5 scenario) for a couple years:

0.5 2000-2010 2027 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 2,331,201
0.5 2000-2010 2027 San Antonio-New Braunfels All (0-85+)2,705,551
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0.5 2000-2010 2050 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 3,255,574
0.5 2000-2010 2050 San Antonio-New Braunfels All (0-85+)3,387,802
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:44 PM
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If those rates hold to anything close to that, Austin overtaking SA is inevitable, that math is simple.
Of course it's inevitable if the growth remains constant. My question was if Austin Metro could actually catch San Antonio Metro in 10 years.

Using the growth% in your link, Austin's metro would pass San Antonio in about 17-18 years a little after the 3.5 million mark. Austin's percentage of growth could continue to climb at a higher pace than SA but not enough to pass it in 10 years.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:47 PM
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This is what I got from the Texas State Data Center using a moderate growth projection (0.5 scenario) for a couple years:

0.5 2000-2010 2027 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 2,331,201
0.5 2000-2010 2027 San Antonio-New Braunfels All (0-85+)2,705,551
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0.5 2000-2010 2050 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 3,255,574
0.5 2000-2010 2050 San Antonio-New Braunfels All (0-85+)3,387,802
The problem is those projections have reached the point of being out of date. They didn't predict Austin to hit 2M until this year.

0.5 2000-2010 2018 12420 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 2,004,153

We're running at least a couple years ahead of the .5 scenario.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:53 PM
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In order for Austin to surpass San Antonio in population in 10 years, the growth rates would need to be on par with DFW or Houston. The reality is, that there's a slim chance of that happening, at least for the foreseeable future. But rest assured San Antonio is no slouch, a mere 45,000 on average is what San Antonio gains per year, compared with Austin growth rate which is somewhere along the lines of 50,000 per year.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2018, 6:56 PM
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The problem is those projections have reached the point of being out of date. They didn't predict Austin to hit 2M until this year.

0.5 2000-2010 2018 12420 Austin-Round Rock All (0-85+) 2,004,153

We're running at least a couple years ahead of the .5 scenario.
Yes a lot has changed.

Looks like using the 2000-10 growth rate Austin passes SA in 2035.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2018, 5:47 AM
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Here's a question for y'all who are more familiar with this:

Is Austin's (metro) growth still faster to the north than the south? Obviously everywhere is growing, but I figured I'd ask since one of you probably knows the answer to that. For instance, I wonder if the cities (esp. San Marcos) are going to grow and help Austin and San Antonio metros to "connect" prior to Austin and Killeen/Temple. Just curious.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2018, 5:59 AM
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Yes a lot has changed.

Looks like using the 2000-10 growth rate Austin passes SA in 2035.
Yes. If the growth rate from 2010 to present (let alone 2000-2010's rate) for both cities remains relatively constant, Austin's MSA will surpass SA's sometime between 2030 and 2035. Additionally, when this happens, both metros will have about 3.4 million residents.
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Here's a question for y'all who are more familiar with this:

Is Austin's (metro) growth still faster to the north than the south? Obviously everywhere is growing, but I figured I'd ask since one of you probably knows the answer to that. For instance, I wonder if the cities (esp. San Marcos) are going to grow and help Austin and San Antonio metros to "connect" prior to Austin and Killeen/Temple. Just curious.
San Marcos was the fastest growing city in the country for three straight years, and Hays County is still growing rapidly. However, Georgetown/Round Rock are still growing faster.

The most interesting projection for me is that by some time around 2040, Williamson County is expected to be more populous than Travis County. I think that's also around the same time that we hit 5 million in the metro area.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2018, 9:13 PM
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Here's a question for y'all who are more familiar with this:

Is Austin's (metro) growth still faster to the north than the south? Obviously everywhere is growing, but I figured I'd ask since one of you probably knows the answer to that. For instance, I wonder if the cities (esp. San Marcos) are going to grow and help Austin and San Antonio metros to "connect" prior to Austin and Killeen/Temple. Just curious.
New Braunfels, San Marcos, Kyle, and Buda are all growing very rapidly. Recently I looked on Google Maps and it showed just how much growth is happening. The Austin & SA area are now connected with each other and it has been for at least a few yrs now. As stated above while the cities between Austin & SA are booming. Leander, Cedar Park, Round Rock & Georgetown are growing faster.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2018, 2:27 AM
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Thanks for the responses, guys. When do you think the growth to the north will travel far enough up to connect Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos MSA to Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood MSA?

My assumption is it would be a combination of traveling up 195 from Georgetown to Killeen and obviously I-35 to Belton. As much as the 183 corridor is seeing growth, it just travels too far to the northwest to connect those two metros until Copperas Cove and Lampasas see a lot more growth...which is bound to happen as well in time.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2018, 6:33 AM
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Thanks for the responses, guys. When do you think the growth to the north will travel far enough up to connect Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos MSA to Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood MSA?

My assumption is it would be a combination of traveling up 195 from Georgetown to Killeen and obviously I-35 to Belton. As much as the 183 corridor is seeing growth, it just travels too far to the northwest to connect those two metros until Copperas Cove and Lampasas see a lot more growth...which is bound to happen as well in time.
The connection between the Austin area and Temple/ Killeen area is slowly but surely infilling. The biggest contenders would be Jarrell, and Salado. Right now both towns are growing modestly, Jarrell on the verge of booming with that of a new 200 housing subdivision. Jarrell also passed it's $54 million Bond creating new schools as well as expanding existing ones. So there's no slow down. Drummer if I calculate up the entire I-35 central Texas region including San Antonio I would get an annual estimate of around 120,000 new residence per year between Waco- San Antonio.

That's an insane amount of new comers. That right there is equivalent of the entire DFW growth rate per year!
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2018, 9:30 AM
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The connection between the Austin area and Temple/ Killeen area is slowly but surely infilling. The biggest contenders would be Jarrell, and Salado. Right now both towns are growing modestly, Jarrell on the verge of booming with that of a new 200 housing subdivision. Jarrell also passed it's $54 million Bond creating new schools as well as expanding existing ones. So there's no slow down. Drummer if I calculate up the entire I-35 central Texas region including San Antonio I would get an annual estimate of around 120,000 new residence per year between Waco- San Antonio.

That's an insane amount of new comers. That right there is equivalent of the entire DFW growth rate per year!
That growth is mostly distributed within a handful of counties and is pretty uneven elsewhere:

In the Waco area, which will remain far flung for a long time yet, McClennan has decent, if unspectacular, growth, whereas Falls has 17 fewer people than it did in 1970. In the Centroplex, Bell has almost tripled since 1970 and gained 30k since 2010 to 340k, while Coryell and Lampases have mostly stayed the same over the last two decades after having shown some shortlived growth from 1970 thru the mid-90s.

For Greater Austin, Travis, Williamson, and Hays have shown amazing growth since 1970. While Williamson and Hays have grown exponentially, even Travis has tripled since then. Bastrop and Caldwell, however, have had steady, but slower growth (if still good).

San Antonio is a much more mixed bag, with Bexar doing well given its geographic expanse being able to absorb suburban growth, with Guadalupe and Comal being the rockstar suburban ring. The others (Medina, Atascosa, Wilson, Kendall, and Bandera) are all much larger than they were in 1970, but they aren't growing anywhere near as fast as those others currently.

So, in other words, the story of Central Texas growth is almost entirely due to the core belt of 6 or 7 counties: Williamson, Travis, Hays, Comal, Guadalupe, and Bexar and maybe, at the north end, Bell. The other counties are just along for the ride, except Waco, which is still slow going because it is on the periphery of both us and Dallas.

For instance, in the counties that make up the MSAs from Waco to San Antonio versus those major counties:

2010-2011: +127,262 to 4,644,151 / +117,629 to 3,986,714
2011-2012: +104,575 to 4,748,726 / +100,677 to 4,087,391
2012-2013: +97,527 to 4,846,253 / +91,024 to 4,178,415
2013-2014: +111,482 to 4,957,735 / +104,161 to 4,282,576
2014-2015: +115,221 to 5,072,956 / +105,446 to 4,388,022
2015-2016: +114,122 to 5,187,078 / +103,633 to 4,491,655

Notice that leaves a good chunk (647,804 in 2010 and 695,423 as of 2016) of the MSA population living in the rest of those counties that aren't showing nearly as robust growth over the last 7 years. This segment of the population are relatively isolated from economic opportunity and activity.

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2018, 1:24 AM
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Thanks for that, wwmiv. Since you and others are good at studying this kind of thing, what is the likelihood of significant growth in counties to the east or west of I-35? You mentioned some are "along for the ride" so I'm assuming that would be true for Burnet County, for example? I have some family out there, just curious.
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They are building a crazy amount of new homes and master-plan neighborhoods in Manor, and that's Travis county I believe. Wasn't that like a cow town way back in the day?
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