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Old Posted Nov 27, 2023, 7:50 PM
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It's weird you say this because Senakw was "given away" and the Squamish Nation is turning it into one of the boldest developments to hit Metro Vancouver.
Note I did not mention Senakw (warrenC12 did). That was a clearcut case of government authority breaking a legal agreement they had signed with the Squamish. It is different from the Heather and Jericho lands.
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It hasn't made a meaningful difference in affordability because the number of units being built is drop in the bucket compared to the near-unlimited demand we're facing; but the point stands that it's the best model to deliver affordable unit without the cost implications of old school housing projects built en masse.

As we all well know, the easiest and most effective way for the feds to create affordable housing to reduce demand by lowering our immigration intake back to historic norms.
I don't think we should be looking for a magic bullet. We just need a broad mix of different things all generating housing. Even the expensive units are still a positive. Market, co-op and social. Maybe get the universities and collages to also build more student housing.

Social housing is 3.5% of housing in Canada. We keep at that percentage or even grow from their it is still a positive.
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2023, 12:42 PM
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I don't think we should be looking for a magic bullet. We just need a broad mix of different things all generating housing. Even the expensive units are still a positive. Market, co-op and social. Maybe get the universities and collages to also build more student housing.

Social housing is 3.5% of housing in Canada. We keep at that percentage or even grow from their it is still a positive.
Translation: I’m not interested in housing affordability, just token gestures and buzz words that allow me to keep my progressive bona fides while sipping my dom. Which is actually basically the Liberal housing plan, actually.

Housing prices could outpace wage growth by a factor of 3x again in 10 years and Casper would spin it into a “positive” because a few thousand more co op units were built.
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Crysthia Freeland just “fundamentally disagree(s)” with Vassy Kapelos’ insinuation that a thousand is less than a million.

https://youtu.be/uP1zB-YqDrY?si=_Pc2lYLOMQJaZyon

This is the heir apparent? Yikes. At the end of the day, the same playbook from the Liberals. Announce something but in reality do nothing. None of this money is even scheduled to start flowing until after the next election, by which point they’ll either be out of office or have the political security to conveniently forget about it.
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Crysthia Freeland just “fundamentally disagree(s)” with Vassy Kapelos’ insinuation that a thousand is less than a million.

https://youtu.be/uP1zB-YqDrY?si=_Pc2lYLOMQJaZyon

This is the heir apparent? Yikes. At the end of the day, the same playbook from the Liberals. Announce something but in reality do nothing. None of this money is even scheduled to start flowing until after the next election, by which point they’ll either be out of office or have the political security to conveniently forget about it.
Oof, I'm not in comms, but it's generally a bad idea to start an interview with "I disagree", and then repeat that line three more times in five minutes.

That's all I remember about that clip. You could boil it down into a 5 second YouTube short called "Chrystia Freeland disagrees" that goes viral.

Freeland also read out a laundry list of policy actions that didn't actually respond or refute Vassy's first question, but I can't remember any of them.
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Translation: I’m not interested in housing affordability, just token gestures and buzz words that allow me to keep my progressive bona fides while sipping my dom. Which is actually basically the Liberal housing plan, actually.

Housing prices could outpace wage growth by a factor of 3x again in 10 years and Casper would spin it into a “positive” because a few thousand more co op units were built.
That is one way of looking at what I said. However, it clearly is not accurate.

Liberal plan has the government being active in housing in addition to what the private sector does.

The conservative plan is the if we reduce taxes a percent or two the private sector will solve all our problems. Some unworkable statement about forcing municipal governments to change zoning that for the most part is already changed.

I am for a more active role vrs a Conservative do nothing plan.
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Unsurprisingly, someone taking an active role on the supply side while taking a significantly larger contradictory role on the demand side does nothing for anyone except those who like optics over substance.

Is it better in a vacuum to have the government directly contribute to housing? Sure. By the same lense it's also better to eat more vegetables, but it's a moot point for someone who then also refuses to stop smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
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That is one way of looking at what I said. However, it clearly is not accurate.

Liberal plan has the government being active in housing in addition to what the private sector does.

The conservative plan is the if we reduce taxes a percent or two the private sector will solve all our problems. Some unworkable statement about forcing municipal governments to change zoning that for the most part is already changed.

I am for a more active role vrs a Conservative do nothing plan.
“Clearly” not accurate, is that how water is “clearly” not wet? We must have different definitions of that word.

A few thousand units is orders of magnitude less than a few million units, and the Liberals have not presented a plan to make any dent in that 3.5 million unit shortfall by 2030. What does it matter what the Conservatives plan is? They’re not governing and there isn’t an election, nor does it excuse the Liberals’ eight years of failure. After all, they’re the left leaning party. Shouldn’t housing and affordability be a priority for them? They’ve campaigned on it for each of the last three elections. All of the resources of the federal government are available to the Liberals, and the best they could do is a drop in the bucket.

They don’t care about housing affordability beyond the how it affects them in the polls. There are more important things to worry about, like how many cell phone plans the junior Rogers can sell.
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I am for a more active role vrs a Conservative do nothing plan.
The problem is that the Liberals are taking an active role in making the housing crisis worse; the Conservatives' do-nothing plan (assuming "doing nothing" does not include "actively helping diploma mills import ~1.5 million new suckers per year, year after year") would be doing a lot more good to housing than the Liberals' "active" plan.

Similarly, to reuse a previous example, if you're sick, PP doing nothing to you is already preferable to JT deciding to shoot you in the leg.
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Similarly, to reuse a previous example, if you're sick, PP doing nothing to you is already preferable to JT deciding to shoot you in the leg.
There's also the impetus to punish the incumbent when they are doing badly. If you just keep voting them in there is no corrective mechanism. I don't think this idea that there's a burden of proof to show that another party would do better is a good one, particularly when the existing leadership implemented a bunch of weird stuff. It's enough to say that there's no strong reason to think the alternative would be an even worse disaster.
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Let's hope this tide doesn't wash up over here again, making affordability even worse. Anyone remember the dates mentioned, 2015-16 and the first foreign buyers taxes that appeared here?

Gold Bars and Tokyo Apartments: How Money Is Flowing Out of China.
Chinese families are sending money overseas, a sign of worry about the country’s economic and political future. But a cheaper currency is also helping exports.

By Keith Bradsher and Joy Dong
Nov. 28, 2023

Affluent Chinese have moved hundreds of billions of dollars out of the country this year, seizing on the end of Covid precautions that had almost completely sealed China’s borders for nearly three years.

They are using their savings to buy overseas apartments, stocks and insurance policies. Able to fly again to Tokyo, London and New York, Chinese travelers have bought apartments in Japan and poured money into accounts in the United States or Europe that pay higher interest than in China, where rates are low and falling.

The outbound shift of money in part indicates unease inside China about the sputtering recovery after the pandemic as well as deeper problems, like an alarming slowdown in real estate...

....The surge of money out of China that occurred eight years ago was caused by a stock market crash and a botched attempt to devalue the currency in a controlled way. China’s central bank had to spend as much as $100 billion a month of its reserves of foreign money to prop up the renminbi.

By contrast, China appears to have spent around $15 billion a month since midsummer to stabilize its currency, according to central bank data. “There’s nothing to suggest it is disorderly,” said Brad Setser, an international finance specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations. “The scale of pressure is still much smaller than in 2015 or 2016.”...


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Nice to see BC actually using this new legal tool:

B.C. files first unexplained wealth order in Canada for Gulf Island home
The B.C. government has applied in court to order two B.C. residents to explain how they got $1 million to buy a home on Salt Spring Island; the couple is allegedly linked as beneficiaries to a major stock fraud scheme.
-Graeme Wood
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The B.C. government has filed for its first unexplained wealth order that, if approved by a judge, will legally compel two Salt Spring Island homeowners to explain the origins of the $1 million they used to buy their home.

The application will be accompanied by several others this week and be the first such court proceeding in Canada, according to Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General Mike Farnworth.

wealth order is a court order that compels the target to reveal to authorities the source of funds derived to obtain a particular asset, typically a luxury vehicle or property.

Farnworth cited one case so far that is subject to such an application by government at B.C. Supreme Court.

The case concerns Alicia Valerie Davenport a.k.a. Alicia Lee and Geordie Lee a.k.a. Skye Lee (Lee), spouses who are the registered owners of 435 Stewart Rd. on Salt Spring Island, according to the Director of Civil Forfeiture’s claim against them filed on Aug. 25....


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'Cause building large quantities of public housing within a constrained space has worked out so well in the past, right? ..
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Oh my God, you're right! What if we were end up like Vienna, the world's most livable city?


Imagine a Renters’ Utopia.
It Might Look Like Vienna.
Soaring real estate markets have created a worldwide housing crisis. What can we learn from a city that has largely avoided it?
By Francesca Mari Photographs by Luca Locatelli
Published May 23, 2023

When Eva Schachinger married at 22, she applied for public housing. Luckily, she lived in Vienna, which has some of the best public housing in the world. It was 1968. Eva was a teacher, and her husband, Klaus-Peter, was an accountant for the city’s public-transportation system. She grew up in a public-housing complex in the center of the city, where her grandmother, who cared for her from 6 in the morning until 6 at night, lived in one of five buildings arranged around a courtyard. Eva played all day with friends from the complex...

... When I met Eva late last year, she looked smart in a jean jacket with a neatly tied silk scarf around her neck, small dangly earrings and cropped curly hair. Over the course of the last 44 years, as she continued to teach English to fifth through eighth grades, Eva’s rent increased almost fivefold, to 270 euros from 55, but her wages increased more than 20-fold, to 3,375 euros a month from 150. Viennese law dictates that rents in public housing can increase only with inflation, and only when the year’s inflation exceeds 5 percent. By the time she retired in 2007, Eva’s rent was only 8 percent of her income. Because her husband was earning 4,000 euros a month, their rent amounted to 3.6 percent of their incomes combined....

...To American eyes, the whole Viennese setup can appear fancifully socialistic. But set that aside, and what’s mind-boggling is how social housing gives the economic lives of Viennese an entirely different shape. Imagine if your housing expenses were more like the Schachingers’. Imagine having to think about them to the same degree that you think about your restaurant choices or streaming-service subscriptions. Imagine, too, where the rest of your income might go, if you spent much less of it on housing. Vienna invites us to envision a world in which homeownership isn’t the only way to secure a certain future — and what our lives might look like as a result....

....Writing about housing in the United States, I’ve become depressed. I’m the scold at the dinner party, revolted by big investors speculating in the housing market, yes, but also by the thousands of small-time investors — including some of my own friends — who are pooling money to buy homes in states they’ve never seen or buying rental properties in gentrifying neighborhoods. But the math is hard to argue with. Buying a home near work is more lucrative than working. The growth of asset values has outstripped returns on labor for four decades, and a McKinsey report found that a majority of those assets — 68 percent — is real estate. Last year, one in four home sales was to someone who had no intention of living in it. These investors are particularly incentivized to buy the sorts of homes most needed by first-time buyers: Inexpensive properties generate the highest rental-income cash flows...


... Real estate is a place where money literally grows on tree beams. In the last decade, the typical owner of a single-family home acquired nearly $200,000 in appreciation. “Another word for asset appreciation is inflation,” the academics Lisa Adkins, Melinda Cooper and Martijn Konings write in “The Asset Economy,” “an increase in monetary value without any corresponding change in the nature of the good itself or the conditions of its production that would make it scarcer or justify an increased demand for it.” That inflation is creating a treacherous gulch between the housing haves and have-nots. ...(bold mine)



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/m...l-housing.html
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Who says there’s no affordable housing?! Why look at what I found on Facebook Marketplace. Just waiting for lio45 to come scoop it up and offer affordable meth lab / demon possessed housing to a fresh batch of indentured south asian slaves.

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Might be a joke ad. Unless it's in a remote location, that house is at the very least worth [Land Value minus Demolition Costs] and that's going to be >>$1 anywhere in urban or semi-urban Canada.

You can link to the actual fb marketplace ad...? Just out of curiosity.
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Might be a joke ad. Unless it's in a remote location, that house is at the very least worth [Land Value minus Demolition Costs] and that's going to be >>$1 anywhere in urban or semi-urban Canada.

You can link to the actual fb marketplace ad...? Just out of curiosity.
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Here’s another one, though it might be too expensive.

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Might be a joke ad. Unless it's in a remote location, that house is at the very least worth [Land Value minus Demolition Costs] and that's going to be >>$1 anywhere in urban or semi-urban Canada.

You can link to the actual fb marketplace ad...? Just out of curiosity.
Can’t find it anymore but here’s another for $780. Will this be the beginning of lio’s slum empire in Alberta?

https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...ref=browse_tab\

Edit: Nevermind, they're looking for a roommate.

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Housing Minister Ravi Kahlon's quote in that article was interesting to see that municipalities could still impose tenant relocation requirements on these types of redevelopment, citing the Broadway Plan's measures on this as a specific example. If that's the case, municipalities could theoretically make those requirements as liberal or arduous as they decide is necessary to support those tenants.

What I'm unclear about is how exactly that's supposed to work. There's no specific mention of tenant relocation requirements in any legislation, so they're implemented primarily as a condition of rezoning. If this almost pre-zones these lands, it'd be nice to get more clarity and confirmation, whether within the coming regulations or elsewhere, as to whether tenant relocation requirements will be legitimate to impose even on by-right development.

There's also the rumour of updates coming to the Residential Tenancy Act to strengthen relocation requirements and take the pressure of municipalities to implement their own, because what's in place now is practically useless in most cases.

Of course, depending on context, the legislation may actually help take pressure off rental building redevelopment as more single-family lands become available to redevelop instead.
Does anybody really believe all the renters displaced by the Broadway Plan are going to be "re-accommodated" somewhere?

Where, exactly? Vancouver vacancy rate is so low it isn't like there are a bunch of empty apartments lying around. Or is forcing someone who lived in the Broadway area for years to go out to Pitt Meadows true "re-accommodation"? The whole thing is just a sop to try and silence criticism of the plan.
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Does anybody really believe all the renters displaced by the Broadway Plan are going to be "re-accommodated" somewhere?

Where, exactly? Vancouver vacancy rate is so low it isn't like there are a bunch of empty apartments lying around. Or is forcing someone who lived in the Broadway area for years to go out to Pitt Meadows true "re-accommodation"? The whole thing is just a sop to try and silence criticism of the plan.
Isn't that the developers' problem to sort out?
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