Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg - Page 149

WildCake · #**2961** Posted **Jul 23, 2021, 7:45 PM**

The province will start North Perimeter access closures next week. Here's what they said they're closing:

• Road 64 North,
• Inkster Boulevard,
• Prairie Dog Trail,
• Summit Road,
• Klimpke Road
• King Edward Street.

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.ht...ted=2021-07-23

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2962** Posted **Jul 23, 2021, 7:53 PM**

Awesome news!! I just want to know when shovels are in the ground at the st Anne’s rd service rd..

YWG-RO · #**2963** Posted **Jul 23, 2021, 9:08 PM**

Traffic signals coming to 101 & Gunn?

They giveth and they taketh away.

When will the last traffic signal be removed from 100 / 101?
A. 2030
B. 2040
C. 2050
D. 2060
E. 2070

pegcityboy · #**2964** Posted **Jul 23, 2021, 9:16 PM**

B 2040 Manitoba is fast tracking it lol !!

WildCake · #**2965** Posted **Jul 24, 2021, 1:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by YWG-RO

Traffic signals coming to 101 & Gunn?

They giveth and they taketh away.

When will the last traffic signal be removed from 100 / 101?
A. 2030
B. 2040
C. 2050
D. 2060
E. 2070

Trick question, the answer is never. The whole transportation network will be automated before the lights are all removed, making interchanges more or less redundant except in the most congested of highways.

On a more serious note, Gunn will probably come later unless enough people complained about it being signalized. The dream would be a parclo taking into account a future chief peguis/oakbank corridor, but there are bigger fish to fry on Perimeter before that so lights it will likely be.

bomberjet · #**2966** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 1:49 PM**

Yes we all know it should just be a freeway.

What is better. Having medians openings everywhere and no traffic signals. Or openings closed and traffic signals at certain locations.

There can't possibly be anymore traffic lights than what is there plus Gunn and Wenzel. The number will start going back down again soon.

thebasketballgeek · #**2967** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 3:16 PM**

Is it really that big of an inconvenience to just wait at a traffic light for a minute? I mean might as well save the money for more prioritized and urgent infrastructural projects instead of spending it on a Diamond or clover interchange.

CoryB · #**2968** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 4:04 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by YWG-RO

Traffic signals coming to 101 & Gunn?

They giveth and they taketh away.

Considering 101 & Gunn should be a full interchange similar to St Marys getting the bare minimum of a traffic signal is decades overdue there.

esquire · #**2969** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Is it really that big of an inconvenience to just wait at a traffic light for a minute? I mean might as well save the money for more prioritized and urgent infrastructural projects instead of spending it on a Diamond or clover interchange.

At a certain point it becomes a safety issue when you have traffic on high-speed, high traffic volume routes stopping every couple of minutes for a red light. I'd argue that a road as busy as the Perimeter should not have any traffic lights on it by this point.

Sidenote: I drove to Alberta last week for the first time in quite a while. It's amazing to see how much progress was made in Sask. Last time I drove through there the TCH was still two lanes for the most part. Now it's 4 lanes all the way through, new bypasses around towns, new interchanges near Regina. Meanwhile in Manitoba the only improvement on the TCH in the last 25 years was the completion of twinning from Virden to the SK border. That's pretty well it... beyond that you're down to some paved shoulders and lengthened turning lanes if you want to find any other improvements.

WildCake · #**2970** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Considering 101 & Gunn should be a full interchange similar to St Marys getting the bare minimum of a traffic signal is decades overdue there.

I can't find traffic numbers for traffic on Gunn but that NE stretch of Perimeter is the quietest stretch of the whole perimeter highway as of 2019.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/traffic/pdf/flowmap2019.pdf

I think everyone on this forum can agree Perimeter should be a limited access freeway but to suggest that Gunn and St Mary's intersections are similar in scale is a bit much. St Marys is a 4 way intersection, not a 3-way, and that section of perimeter receives 2-2.5x the amount of traffic as the NE section.

Biff · #**2971** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 7:19 PM**

The problem with the Gunn Rd intersection is that it is mainly tractor trailer traffic making turns there. Very dangerous having heavy, slow moving vehicles transiting high speed traffic.

Hockey · #**2972** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 8:24 PM**

The overall strategy of MIT seems to be enhance the safety of the corridor on the way to making it free-flowing.

MIT is taking a step-wise strategy of first closing medians and adding signals to remaining uncontrolled intersections. Last step would be to replace those signalizations with interchanges.

Signalization of remaining uncontrolled intersections is a logical step in the process to free-flowing traffic, IMHO, with safety at the forefront.

I support the attention and funding the roadway is receiving and the perimeter hwy's prioritization by the province.

CoryB · #**2973** Posted **Jul 26, 2021, 9:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

I can't find traffic numbers for traffic on Gunn but that NE stretch of Perimeter is the quietest stretch of the whole perimeter highway as of 2019.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/traffic/pdf/flowmap2019.pdf

I think everyone on this forum can agree Perimeter should be a limited access freeway but to suggest that Gunn and St Mary's intersections are similar in scale is a bit much. St Marys is a 4 way intersection, not a 3-way, and that section of perimeter receives 2-2.5x the amount of traffic as the NE section.

The key difference here is St Marys isn't being planned as a link route to the planned inner ring road and never will be. On the other hand Gunn Rd is one of the four corners where the inner ring roads will eventually meet the Perimeter and continue on past the Perimeter. The traffic is all there today it is just the road that is missing and it is actually causing a number of safety issues.

Highwayman · #**2974** Posted **Jul 28, 2021, 10:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

The key difference here is St Marys isn't being planned as a link route to the planned inner ring road and never will be. On the other hand Gunn Rd is one of the four corners where the inner ring roads will eventually meet the Perimeter and continue on past the Perimeter. The traffic is all there today it is just the road that is missing and it is actually causing a number of safety issues.

St Mary's is one of the busiest intersections on the perimeter. You forget that St vital has maxed out is buildable space. They are planning to jump the perimeter and start developing all those fields around the south end pollution plant. Also St Adolphe and Especially Niverville use St Mary's as a commuter route. Drive it in the morning or late afternoon and it's nuts. And then there's the fact that the Perimeter backs up all the way to the Red River during rush hour just for folks going back to St vital. St Anne's is just as bad.
Gunn doesn't have any land on the other side. It's the floodway. It's unserviced land.

As Esquire said, the issue with Gunn is the Industrial park which honestly could have been rerouted north towards the other old Duff Roblin Park and a proper diamond there that would go straight into the Birds Hill area. I think your know the route I'm talking about.

Then the land south of Gunn could stay residential and be routed to Dugald and maybe in my lifetime I'll see that intersection done.

I don't doubt Oak Bank needs a new road. But it would be easier to use the Dugald bridge and then swing over to the route that is sorta planned. I know long term....

bomberjet · #**2975** Posted **Jul 29, 2021, 3:03 PM**

Routing Gunn traffic to Dugald is just too much. All those trucks and whatever else going down Redonda not happening.

On that stretch of NE perimeter, the only access points are Dugald, Gunn, Wenzel and 59. That's really limited access already. Just a matter of priority. I'm just talking the interchange, not the extension to Oakbank area.

Highwayman · #**2976** Posted **Jul 29, 2021, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Routing Gunn traffic to Dugald is just too much. All those trucks and whatever else going down Redonda not happening.

On that stretch of NE perimeter, the only access points are Dugald, Gunn, Wenzel and 59. That's really limited access already. Just a matter of priority. I'm just talking the interchange, not the extension to Oakbank area.

Oh I wasn't saying the industrial traffic going to Dugald. Just the residential. The industrial would go north to Wenzyl like you mentioned. I was invisioning a diamond there at the perimeter hwy. Then as you go across route it north west to match up to the birds hill ( town ) lights that should have been an overpass.

bomberjet · #**2977** Posted **Jul 30, 2021, 1:40 PM**

Ah I see. Yes you're right. Wenzel will have a diamond (or some form of interchange) at 101. And it would then link up to Bird's Hill Road if they ever put the interchange in there. That will be a well served location for freeways and interchanges lol

rrskylar · #**2978** Posted **Jul 30, 2021, 4:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

The problem with the Gunn Rd intersection is that it is mainly tractor trailer traffic making turns there. Very dangerous having heavy, slow moving vehicles transiting high speed traffic.

Witnessed a potential accident waiting to happen there a few weeks back, semi actually backed up into south bound lanes from median!

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2979** Posted **Jul 30, 2021, 11:14 PM**

Hey all, I was thinking about st Mary’s and the perimeter. Since they went with the interim design for the interchange with one bridge span. What are we calling it? It’s not going to be a diverging diamond in the interim. Is it going to be a diamond with round abouts? Super random on a Friday! Haha just a thought that came to mind.

Eric19 · #**2980** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 4:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Hey all, I was thinking about st Mary’s and the perimeter. Since they went with the interim design for the interchange with one bridge span. What are we calling it? It’s not going to be a diverging diamond in the interim. Is it going to be a diamond with round abouts? Super random on a Friday! Haha just a thought that came to mind.

Looks like a double roundabout interchange. If it ever gets to the ultimate stage it will be converted into a diverging diamond interchange.