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Old Posted Mar 19, 2008, 10:14 PM
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Chicago: West Loop Promenade, 1137 W. Jackson Blvd., 266,000-sq.-ft. mixed-use building, July 2008, $40 million.

Chicago: Old Chicago Post Office Mixed-Use Building, Van Buren St. and Canal Street, mixed-use complex, September 2008, $300 million.
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^Uhmmm there were a couple of others of note....


Chicago: N. Riverside Plaza Hotel and Apartment Towers, 150 N. Riverside Plaza, 300-room hotel tower and 655-unit apartment tower, October 2008, $150 million.


Evanston: Fountain Square Tower, 708 Church St., 49-story mixed-use tower, June 2009, $80 million



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Old Posted Mar 19, 2008, 11:24 PM
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^ Well, that is exciting. The unit count on the apartment tower is high for that piece of land, especially if he continues the plaza scheme from earlier proposals (basically necessitated due to NIMBYs in the loft behind, who want to protect their river views).

Did Reschke say he was dropping the two-tower plan? Either way, we could see a very slender, tall tower there, if the proposal is a good one.
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^^ Yes - but I believe Lucien Lagrange has been chosen for the design. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing - something modernist in the vein of X/O, or or Erie On The Park, would be fantastic.

As far as I can see, even when Lagrange has the opportunity to use classic materials (Union Station Tower) he still produces crap, because he doesn't understand proper proportioning.
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Isnt it true though that the people mostly responsible for Erie on the Park and x/o are younger architects in the Lagrange firm? Didn't someone say a while back that he fired some of them?
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Remember that ugly strip mall proposed by Smithfield in Bucktown last fall? Here's a bit of closure on that issue:

3/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
Bucktown condo plan morphs
Community group says design deviates from original proposal

By TIMOTHY INKLEBARGER
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Representatives of Smithfield Properties did not attend the meeting although the company was scheduled to present plans for a commercial development east of the residential units. The company requested changes to its planned development proposal last October that would push buildings back from the street, creating a strip mall effect.

The Bucktown Triangle Association and Flores have both rejected plans for the strip mall, saying the development should mimic a traditional Chicago-style streetscape.
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Isnt it true though that the people mostly responsible for Erie on the Park and x/o are younger architects in the Lagrange firm? Didn't someone say a while back that he fired some of them?
Yep. But "young" isn't exactly the best description.

The LaGrange firm continues to try their hand at Modern (like the casino), but I don't have high hopes. Personally, I think Erie and Kingsbury were the high points. X/O could get butchered and look really cheap if they don't detail it well. Let's keep our fingers crossed. I am sure there are still some talented people left over there.

I cannot understand why Reschke hired LaGrange anyway. Even if he couldn't resist the PoMo junk, he's already been through Bofill and DeStefano. It just doesn't seem like good business sense to switch firms at this point, when the others are so familiar with it. Perhaps he was demanding to DeStefano that they do something PoMo, but they refused? Wouldn't that be nice?
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"If the city feels they need more room, then they should reduce the number of units," Durkin said. "I don't know why they call it a planned development if they don't stick to the plan."
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Remember that ugly strip mall proposed by Smithfield in Bucktown last fall? Here's a bit of closure on that issue:

3/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
Bucktown condo plan morphs
Community group says design deviates from original proposal

By TIMOTHY INKLEBARGER
Editor

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Representatives of Smithfield Properties did not attend the meeting although the company was scheduled to present plans for a commercial development east of the residential units. The company requested changes to its planned development proposal last October that would push buildings back from the street, creating a strip mall effect.

The Bucktown Triangle Association and Flores have both rejected plans for the strip mall, saying the development should mimic a traditional Chicago-style streetscape.
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Good to hear. Hopefully they can get the developer to produce something decent for that segment of Milwaukee. I live about an 1/8 mile from that site and just southwest of it exists two ugly stripmalls that for some reason insisted on having their parking face the street rather than the El tracks (which is how a neighboring development did it--it is possible).



Milwaukee is just outside the frame of this picture on the left. The brickish building in the background has its parking up against the El in the back of the building.
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If it needs that parking it should be in the back. Building should be in line with the sidewalk in the city.
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There is a nice article on sustainability that features Jahn's Near North Apartments here:

>>> http://construction.com/CE/articles/0803edit-1.asp
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Good to hear. Hopefully they can get the developer to produce something decent for that segment of Milwaukee. I live about an 1/8 mile from that site and just southwest of it exists two ugly stripmalls that for some reason insisted on having their parking face the street rather than the El tracks (which is how a neighboring development did it--it is possible).



Milwaukee is just outside the frame of this picture on the left. The brickish building in the background has its parking up against the El in the back of the building.

i just walked that stretch of milwaukee yesterday. theres a couple of strip malls right next to eachother on that side of the street that really ruin the streetscape for me.
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By the way, John Hanna, the architect under fire, is the guy responsible for all of the horrible angle-fronted condos you see repeated all over West Town and Bucktown, and now other places like McKinley Park. Seen one, seen 'em all. http://www.mcm1001.com/site/property...e&contact_id=0 (Not 100% sure this is his, but you'd have to be a fool to copy this design.)

MCM is a company that likes to screw artists and others by buying nice buildings and replacing them. http://www.timeout.com/chicago/artic...negative-space
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^ I believe this is also a Smithfield development.

While they do fine with highrises, they lazily seem to cling to the fugly strip mall mentality when it comes to retailing in urban neighborhoods. It's annoying as hell; their retail center at Armitage and California was a joke. It's about time they get the message that people don't want this crap in Chicago's neighborhoods. I'm glad their plan got rejected
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their retail center at Armitage and California was a joke.
Really? I think it's one of the more elegant strip malls in the city...
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Problem is that retailers want customer parking that actually attracts customers, and they only want to staff one door. If you're leasing space for your laundromat, UPS Store, or dry cleaners, you won't voluntarily choose a place with parking in the back. The person driving down Milwaukee won't think of it as convenient if he can't see a parking space, and the person walking down Milwaukee won't mind walking across 30 feet of parking lot.

Clybourn taught some sobering lessons in the early 90s to those of us who thought it would work to "just put the parking in the back." Those shopping centers didn't lease nearly as well, and one failed completely.
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^ Can't we address it with better signage?

Like the motel on Lincoln with the giant red neon arrows pointing to the "mouth"?
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Problem is that retailers want customer parking that actually attracts customers, and they only want to staff one door. If you're leasing space for your laundromat, UPS Store, or dry cleaners, you won't voluntarily choose a place with parking in the back. The person driving down Milwaukee won't think of it as convenient if he can't see a parking space, and the person walking down Milwaukee won't mind walking across 30 feet of parking lot.

Clybourn taught some sobering lessons in the early 90s to those of us who thought it would work to "just put the parking in the back." Those shopping centers didn't lease nearly as well, and one failed completely.
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I'm not going to argue the rationality behind the economics of the situations that cause developers to produce parking schemes such as the one posted by me above. I am, however, going to argue their aesthetic value, namely that they devalue the neighborhood aesthetic significantly. The emotional aspect of the situation is therefore exerting its influence into the economic equation in the opposite direction: some people do have a problem with walking across 30 feet of parking lot with their laundry, all the while dodging idiotic motorists backing up and maneuvering as they please without the slightest idea of who happens to be walking in their vicinity (these people who do not want to do this include myself). Granted, the counter-productive force of this side of the equation is not nearly enough to shift the economics to an extent such that developers will not desire to place parking in the way as has been done in the afforementioned strip mall. Hence, some type of governmental body over and above the power of the free market must step in to insure that developments like the one above are simply not allowed to produce such iterations of their desired plans. As impractical (and perhaps impossible) as that may be and as much as that means I may be wasting my breath it does not change how I feel about the matter, and there are plenty of other people that feel the same way that I do. I'm all for being pragmatic about things, but not to such an extent that it consistently influences me to accept things that are antithetical to the way I want things to be.

What if it was simply mandated throughout the entire city that parking must be placed in locations that do not face a street and/or major pedestrian thoroughfare? And what if this mandate was highly publicized and announced to the citizens of Chicago such that people would know that parking for places that provided off-street parking would be in a location not so obvious as facing the street. And if they didn't know this they could spend five minutes of their time doing the obvious thing of investigating the parking scheme of a business that they planned on patronizing. If this mandate was city-wide, then every potential developer and retailer would be on a level playing field. Would all of the people of Chicago abstain from doing things such as doing their laundry or shopping for stuff at CVS? Certainly not.

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What if it was simply mandated throughout the entire city that parking must be placed in locations that do not face a street and/or major pedestrian thoroughfare?
You can't make it retroactive and expect existing strip malls to be rebuilt. The existing strip malls with parking in front just add confusion.

Better signage is the answer. My mom once circled for 10 minutes in the parking lot of a CVS on Milwaukee trying to look for a way out. The problem: both curb cuts into the parking lot had large signs saying "Enter" but not "Exit". (this is how we tell a native suburbanite, btw)
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