Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[esquire]

OK, so that's more like it.

Although yeah, with all of the development that the RM of Macdonald is trying to promote along McGillivray you'd think there would be some urgency to twin it at least as far as Loudoun Road to start.

Sidenote: I just googled the RM of Macdonald and apparently it is not included in Winnipeg's CMA count which is weird considering that Oak Bluff and La Salle are basically full-fledged commuter towns, not to mention all of the people who do everything in Winnipeg but happen to have an acreage just outside the Perimeter. The northeastern corner of Macdonald is basically an extension of Winnipeg at this point.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by esquire

OK, so that's more like it.

Although yeah, with all of the development that the RM of Macdonald is trying to promote along McGillivray you'd think there would be some urgency to twin it at least as far as Loudoun Road to start.

Sidenote: I just googled the RM of Macdonald and apparently it is not included in Winnipeg's CMA count which is weird considering that Oak Bluff and La Salle are basically full-fledged commuter towns, not to mention all of the people who do everything in Winnipeg but happen to have an acreage just outside the Perimeter. The northeastern corner of Macdonald is basically an extension of Winnipeg at this point.

There is a tender out to upgrade the intersection on McGillivray and South Landing Business Park with left-turn lanes and such. That stretch of road is a shit show, but if you twin it, it only accommodates more development.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by plrh

There is a tender out to upgrade the intersection on McGillivray and South Landing Business Park with left-turn lanes and such. That stretch of road is a shit show, but if you twin it, it only accommodates more development.

Well yeah, from a Winnipeg standpoint I'm not thrilled about it. But Macdonald is going to make it happen anyway (understandably so), so they might as well upgrade the infrastructure to make it less death-trappy. That 2 lane stretch of McGillivray is still built to 1970s standards when that was a farm area, in spite of all of the development that has happened around there.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I don't even think the bridge is twinned. It's looks like a 3 lane bridge.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...s/segment2.pdf

You're right, see page 3. Each way goes from one lane and a left turn lane gets added as you approach the intersections on either side of the bridge.

I'm assuming the province would stick with the interim design for this like they are for St Marys. I wonder how far twinning PTH 3 is on the horizon for the province, that road could use it and pairing it with this project would make sense, although maybe not make cents for our cost cutting government.

[bomberjet]

The Province is actually going with a scaled down initial version at St. Mary's. This one at McGillivray is only a slight upgrade over the most basic diamond. With the turn lanes instead of just 2 lanes straight through.

[EndoftheBeginning]

Old guy yelling at clouds moment - that north arrow on the plan posted by Biff isn't remotely close to being accurate. North is not vertical in that plan.

[Biff]

Scaled down or not, I am super happy with anything that grade separates the Perimeter from any cross road/highway. Diamonds for everyone as far as I'm concerned.

[bomberjet]

Very happy this is the intended plan.

Does anyone know if the CEMR rail overpass at the north end is included with this work? I assume (hope) it is.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by esquire

Well yeah, from a Winnipeg standpoint I'm not thrilled about it. But Macdonald is going to make it happen anyway (understandably so), so they might as well upgrade the infrastructure to make it less death-trappy. That 2 lane stretch of McGillivray is still built to 1970s standards when that was a farm area, in spite of all of the development that has happened around there.

I feel this bit doesn't get enough attention. It's ok to acknowledge that there's no funding available 'right now' but at some point Bishop will run west and turn north to meet William Clement Parkway. The logical place for that to happen will be at this location. Is the city just going to abandon the Inner Ring Road plan in the south-west or is someone at the city actually working to facilitate that future development?

[plrh]

Originally Posted by esquire

Well yeah, from a Winnipeg standpoint I'm not thrilled about it. But Macdonald is going to make it happen anyway (understandably so), so they might as well upgrade the infrastructure to make it less death-trappy. That 2 lane stretch of McGillivray is still built to 1970s standards when that was a farm area, in spite of all of the development that has happened around there.

I would be ok with it being twinned in the area of contiguous development. Even twinning to McCreary rd would remove most of the heavy danger.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Took a drive on the south perimeter last night and noticed the concrete median barrier construction just stopped before crossing the river towards st Mary’s. Does that mean they might start widening the lanes toward st Mary’s for the interchange? It says on Manitoba 511 that the construction of the barrier is from waverly to st Mary’s. It makes me think they are going to start median widening and separating of the road on the east side of the red river bridge!

[DavefromSt.Vital]

Originally Posted by esquire

Sidenote: I just googled the RM of Macdonald and apparently it is not included in Winnipeg's CMA count which is weird considering that Oak Bluff and La Salle are basically full-fledged commuter towns, not to mention all of the people who do everything in Winnipeg but happen to have an acreage just outside the Perimeter. The northeastern corner of Macdonald is basically an extension of Winnipeg at this point.

Actually, the RM of Macdonald is part of the Winnipeg CMA:

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...GC=602&TOPIC=1

Unrelated, it appears that the next version of the Winnipeg CMA will add Niverville:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...019002-eng.htm

[esquire]

^ Thank you... looks like Wikipedia is out of date! It seemed odd to me that Macdonald wouldn't be a part of the Winnipeg CMA... it might have made sense 30 years ago, but not really now.

Adding Niverville will be a 5,000+ bump to the Winnipeg CMA on its own.

[craner]

Will highway 2 be combined with the new highway 3 interchange and eliminate another intersection on PH 100 ?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by craner

Will highway 2 be combined with the new highway 3 interchange and eliminate another intersection on PH 100 ?

That would seem like the smart thing to do...

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by esquire

That would seem like the smart thing to do...

If not, someone can just go and drop some concrete blocks on PTH-2 right before PTH-100.

[bomberjet]

Hwy 2 access is removed from 100. It will just connect into the service road now.

Functional design is here: https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...s/segment2.pdf

[Hockey]

Highway 2 is combined with the highway 3 at the new roundabout. Then from the roundabout the 2/3 combined highway leads onto the new McGillivary/PTH100 interchange.

Yes, this will eliminate another intersection on PH 100 where hwy 2 and PTH100 meet.

[craner]

Glad to hear it - thanks.

[bomberjet]

Winnipeg Metro Region info:
https://winnipegmetroregion.ca/index.php/about-us-top

Most of the surrounding RM's and towns are collaborating on planning and processes. Which is great.