Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg - Page 147

CoryB · #**2921** Posted **May 26, 2021, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

The interim Wilkes interchange could definitely be knocked off fairly cheaply and quickly, as well as the change of the portage interchange from cloverleaf to parclo as that one didn't have additional bridges to build unlike Pembina.

Probably depends on the political flavours of the day. An interchange is much more flashy than modifying ramps, but I guess if the province has just a little bit of splash money to toss around then ramps might be the right choice.

It could easily be made six lanes from a bit before CCW through to a bit past Roblin. It would require building out the additional lanes on the Assiniboine River bridges and CCW bridge in addition to the upgrades at Portage Ave.

Then if they overhauled the Wilkes grade separation building a new southbound bridge to the west and reworking the existing four lane structure to the north bound flow. That would mean from west of Pembina to Roser Rd could be expanded to six lanes of traffic, yes with some traffic lights still.

I am not a road construction expert but I think there is more capacity locally for building additional lanes onto surface roads than there is for building grade separations. This approach would match their plans of upgrades and allow the lighting, etc to be added to a major stretch of the Perimeter. Yes, not as fancy as grade separations but it is also work that needs to be done. Also moving on this work sooner than later would also explain why the median near Portage Ave was rebuilt with the giant wall.

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2922** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 2:10 AM**

Thought I’d bring the thread alive.

Tendering for PTH 101 upgrades are on merx. Link below.

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/solicitat...63402&origin=2

Biff · #**2923** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 1:22 PM**

Lots of work in there.

bomberjet · #**2924** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 3:07 PM**

Wow awesome. Removing a lot of the median openings. Only ones remaining are ( besides the current traffic lights at PTH 6 and Pipeline):

Road 63N (future CentrePort interchange location)
Sturgeon road will have a right in/out.
Wenzel which is undergoing upgrades already.
Gunn will undergo upgrades as part of this tender.
St. Boniface Rd, which it says it not part of this tender.

Service roads being upgraded accordingly.

bomberjet · #**2925** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 3:18 PM**

Interested to see the price tag on this one. My bet: $20 million.

WildCake · #**2926** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 4:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Wow awesome. Removing a lot of the median openings. Only ones remaining are ( besides the current traffic lights at PTH 6 and Pipeline):

Road 63N (future CentrePort interchange location)
Sturgeon road will have a right in/out.
Wenzel which is undergoing upgrades already.
Gunn will undergo upgrades as part of this tender.
St. Boniface Rd, which it says it not part of this tender.

Service roads being upgraded accordingly.

Not bad at all, that's a lot of closures.

To add, 63N already has exit lanes for both sides NB and left hand turn for SB. St Boniface Road doesn't have median access, just a RIRO but not accel/exit lane.

I think we will be able to count on our hands the amound of uncontrolled intersections left on Perimeter after this!

esquire · #**2927** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 4:47 PM**

It's about 25 years too late, but better late than never!

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2928** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 7:47 PM**

I completely agree esquire! Im wondering when they are starting the pavement construction at st Anne’s road on the aimes road service road. Same with the two new service roads on the west perimeter. Anyone have any updates on those?

esquire · #**2929** Posted **Jun 18, 2021, 8:02 PM**

^ Good question. I don't often go by there but I drove by lately, about a month after my last drive-by. I was surprised to see that nothing has changed! That bridge looks good but seemingly no work on the roads leading up to it.

WildCake · #**2930** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 2:47 PM**

Hot off the press, interchange at Perimeter and Hwy 3 in Oak Bluff coming.

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.ht...ted=2021-06-22

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2931** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 3:38 PM**

Great news! Although what does this province have against starting two major projects at the same time… I spit out my morning coffee reading late 2023. What are we going to see st Anne’s and the rail crossing there in another decade?? This should be pushed faster ahead. We are growing fast and this timeline seems like molasses.

esquire · #**2932** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Great news! Although what does this province have against starting two major projects at the same time… I spit out my morning coffee reading late 2023. What are we going to see st Anne’s and the rail crossing there in another decade?? This should be pushed faster ahead. We are growing fast and this timeline seems like molasses.

Other provinces do entire roadway projects (see Calgary/Edmonton ring roads, Regina bypass), we do it bit by bit piecemeal. But hey, at least it's progress.

I've opined many times that had Manitoba started building one measly interchange at a time with an average build time of 4 years per (including generous amounts of time for planning, design, land assembly, etc.), then since 1990 we would have built just about 8 interchanges by now. I guess Manitoba did build 2 in that time that I can recall (CCW/101, 101/59) so we would have been up 6 during that timeframe with the piecemeal plan... theoretically, that could have meant that the following intersections might have had interchanges by now:

-Kenaston and 100
-St. Mary's and 100
-St. Anne's and 100
-Dugald and 101
-3 and 100
-1 and 16

Collectively, those 6 extra interchanges would have made a big difference in the road network and at a pretty manageable cost. It also would have meant that by now we could be moving on to other interchanges that aren't really even on the radar right now, like:

-59 and Birds Hill Road
-Pipeline and 101
-6 and 101
-CCW and 1
-1 and 248 (Elie)

Wpgstvsouth94 · #**2933** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 4:17 PM**

Exactly my thoughts as well. St Anne’s should be done at the same time as st Mary’s because of the median widening and curvature at Dakota for that future flyover. I just don’t get the mentality of who thinks this is justifiable. A bunch of us should send an email about these timelines to MIT as that is what I will be doing. If the public doesn’t speak up nothing will change.

WildCake · #**2934** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Exactly my thoughts as well. St Anne’s should be done at the same time as st Mary’s because of the median widening and curvature at Dakota for that future flyover. I just don’t get the mentality of who thinks this is justifiable. A bunch of us should send an email about these timelines to MIT as that is what I will be doing. If the public doesn’t speak up nothing will change.

MI has virtually no control over this, they just design and build the roadways, so if you want a scapegoat, email your MLA or Ron Schuler.

I really don't understand your sentiment around St Anne's and St Mary's needing to be completed at the same time. The project area for St Mary's ends halfway between the two intersections, so Perimeter's median will be widened up to that point, and then whenever St Anne's will get the interchange treatment the rest of that stretch will be complete.

Yes St Annes is overdue, but some work is finally happening. St Annes is probably next on the south perimeter because it's a high volume intersection with a comparatively cheap fix vs. Kenaston.

Hockey · #**2935** Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 9:04 PM**

The minister mentioned in the McGillvry/PTH100 video new conference that on a go forward basis, the plan could be to always have an interchange bridge under construction. This is positive news.

Biff · #**2936** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:03 PM**

Reference

Dengler Avenue · #**2937** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:12 PM**

Very American. I wonder if it’s possible to grade-separate the twinned portion of PTH-3 in the future (which means a service-system interchange with PTH-100).

esquire · #**2938** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:24 PM**

Didn't really notice it before but that's a good stretch of twinning envisioned for #3. Normally in these types of scenarios the secondary highway is twinned for the absolute minimum required to accommodate on/off ramps.

I wonder if the next step would be to twin #3 right up to Columbia Drive?

bomberjet · #**2939** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:31 PM**

I think that's basically all of the twinning that is planned. West end connects into the round about. East end just drops back to 2 lanes. The RM definitely will have plans to twin the east portion leading into Winnipeg.

Edit: The initial phase drawings basically show just the bridge as being twinned and it drops down to 2 lanes right off the bridge.

bomberjet · #**2940** Posted **Jun 23, 2021, 2:50 PM**

I don't even think the bridge is twinned. It's looks like a 3 lane bridge.