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Old Posted Jun 17, 2010, 5:08 PM
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I have even lower expectations for a British ceremony than a Canadian ceremony, which in the end was "OK".
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My copy of "With Glowing Hearts" arrived today. It is a very nice coffee table book!

(Better be at $50, let alone the $85 full retail price!)
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^ i'm quite impressed with it as well.




The Newest Wonder of the World: The Ruins of Modern Greece
Facilities Built for Olympics Go Unused; A Preference for Smoking Over Sport?

June 17 2010 | WALL STREET JOURNAL


ATHENS—Georges Kalaras used to view with pride the sports hall built near his home here for the 2004 Olympic competition in rhythmic gymnastics and ping pong. Now, he gets mad every time he jogs by.

"Look, it's locked!" shouted the 38-year-old Mr. Kalaras, who works for the Athens city water company. Two stray dogs tangling with each other behind a padlocked metal fence accounted for the only activity in the complex, which seats 5,200 people.

Mr. Kalaras figured the steel and glass hall, costing taxpayers $62 million, would provide recreational space in his neighborhood. Officials envisioned concerts or shops.

Instead, when the Olympic torch went out after the Athens Summer Games six years ago, the doors closed here, as well as at many of the 30-odd other sites built or renovated for the Olympics that summer.

The vacant venues, several of which dominate parts of the city's renovated Aegean coastline, have become some of the most visible reminders of Greece's age of excessive spending. Sites range from a softball stadium and kayaking facility to a beach volleyball stadium and a sailing marina.

As Greece sifts through the wreckage wrought by its enormous public debt, which sent tremors through world finance in recent months, the Athens Games are once again unifying this nation—this time as a target of criticism. They cost an estimated $7.4 billion to $14 billion, minor in light of the more than $370 billion of public debt, but that hasn't mitigated the resentment.

"The Olympics are back in the conversation," says Yiannis Pyrgiotis, who heads the state agency in charge of finding profitable ways to use the facilities. "They're like a ball in a field with everyone kicking it."

Even boosters of the Olympics are having second thoughts.

George Tziralis, a technology investor, in 2007 co-authored a glowing report declaring the venues as "greatly improving the quality of life of the inhabitants of these areas, providing valuable resources to the community and the economy."

On a recent afternoon, staring at a pile of bricks on the unfinished entrance behind a locked metal fence encircling the Olympic sailing marina, he was less upbeat.

"I hope you're calling this article 'The Nonsense of the Olympics,'" he said. Boats filled about a third of the 120 slips at the marina, which remains closed to people who aren't boat owners.

Later, Mr. Tziralis, 28, gestured out the window of his Opel Corsa at a huge, locked complex of mostly vacant Olympic properties, located on the former site of the city's old airport.

"There's no way there shouldn't be a park here six years after the Games!" he shouted.

That complex, which cost taxpayers $213 million, includes stadiums for field hockey, softball and baseball—sports with little or no following in Greece. The facility for canoeing and kayaking slalom at the site was to become a water amusement park. It didn't.

The officials who organized and ran the Games think the ganging up on the Olympics is unfair.

They also point out that Athens is not alone: Beijing still hasn't figured out what to do with its massive stadium built for the Olympics, called the Bird's Nest.

"It's an easy target to blame the Olympics, since they can't defend themselves," says Spyros Capralos, who was general secretary of the Games and held various leadership positions in the organizing and bid committees.

The biggest problem, he and others agree, was that too many permanent structures were built.

Since Greece was late in its preparations—the International Olympic Committee in 2000 admonished the country to hurry up—the focus was on the Games, not on what came after them.

Given the time pressure, it was easier and sometimes quicker, but more expensive, to build permanent structures than temporary ones.

There wasn't enough time in some instances to conduct a bidding process, driving up costs further. No one considered the costs of operating the sites after the Games, Mr. Capralos says.

The national sports bodies also encouraged permanent structures, believing they would promote participation in those sports after the Games. With the exception of rowing, that hasn't happened.

"Greeks like sports, but they like smoking more," Georgios Kasselakis, 24, explained on a recent afternoon at one of the city's countless outdoor cafés.

The IOC says it will take post-Olympic plans more into account when choosing a host city, but few believe this changes anything. Rio de Janeiro had virtually no venues built when it was selected last year for the 2016 Olympics, but the IOC "wanted the Games in South America," says David Wallechinsky, an Olympics historian.

Mr. Capralos, now chairman of the Athens Stock Exhange as well as president of the Greek Olympic Committee, argues that people have forgotten the huge improvement in the city's infrastructure, including refurbishing and expanding the city's subway and railway and adding major new highways. The measures, which accounted for more than half of the total costs associated with the Games, have loosened the snarl of the city's notorious traffic.

And some of the venues are being used, mostly the renovated ones, such as by the country's popular basketball teams. The new badminton stadium is now a theater, recently featuring the Broadway musical "Evita."

But the fiscal woes outweigh these successes. A range of estimates, varying depending on which infrastructure projects are included, echo the accounting uncertainty around the federal deficit.

Mr. Pyrgiotis, who heads the agency overseeing the use of the venues, figures the sites are losing about $12.3 million a year. Most of the vendors who have leased sites for other uses aren't able to pay.

In his cluttered office, he looked at framed photos on the wall showing Greek women in white robes lighting the torch to kick off the 2004 Games. He marveled at how much has changed since then.

"Maybe it's cultural," said Mr. Pyrgiotis, who has several degrees in architecture and city planning from M.I.T. "Our attitudes lead to these very difficult situations from which we try to disentangle ourselves."





Photos of the Athens Olympic sport venues today:

























http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704025304575284841380683082.html
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Given the state of Greece's economy, and the refusal of its citizens to "face the music", I'm not surprised.
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Those pictures are so depressing. It's only been a few years! So glad that won't happen to our venues.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2010, 6:51 AM
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"Greeks like sports, but they like smoking more," Georgios Kasselakis, 24, explained on a recent afternoon at one of the city's countless outdoor cafés.
Explains the Greeks in a nutshell. Such a shame what has happened there but it is not surprising in the least.

In this day and age the IOC should focus more on cities that are large and advanced enough to host the games, and have at least a passive interest in all sports or have a solid plan on how to re-purpose venues. That and rotate a lot more previous hosts. As much as I'd love to see some more new interesting cities host the games, Toronto (08' bid, possible 20' bid) or Chicago (16' bid) make a whole lot more sense than Cape Town (possible 20' or 24') or Doha or Dubai (rumored 20' bids).

Vancouver's games worked out extremely well. I would not hesitate to host them again in 10 years or so. And instead of a billion-dollar Olympic Village, cruise ships at Canada Place. I think this should be a solution for many future games. (Sucks to be landlocked).
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It took me a few secs to realize that those orange things on the road are stray dogs, not garbage.






It is most certainly sad that in less than 6 years, this is what the Athens sports venues have become.



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This is disgraceful. The funny thing is, Vancouver was actually criticized for its lack of "signature" venues and older facilities.

Who's laughing now?
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CNN Money segment on the post-Games success that Vancouver is experiencing:

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2010/06/24/n_vancouver_olympics.cnnmoney/?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
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Glad to see such a positive report from CNN.
And I believe decades from now, people will really see the long term benefit and treat the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games as another defining moment in Vancouver and BC's history.
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i was downtown tonight and english bay was packed and my friend said he has never seen it so busy and I said its the olympic effect
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i was downtown tonight and english bay was packed and my friend said he has never seen it so busy and I said its the olympic effect
No just one of the first nice warm Friday nights.. I don't think the Olympics had anything to do with it.
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Glad to see such a positive report from CNN.
And I believe decades from now, people will really see the long term benefit and treat the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games as another defining moment in Vancouver and BC's history.
I agree. the olympics was very good overall, and I'm a convert, I was firmly against the games going into them.
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No just one of the first nice warm Friday nights.. I don't think the Olympics had anything to do with it.
i've never seen so many people downtown for weeks i think the olympics have really made people rediscover their own city people who avoided downtown for years are coming back since rediscovering

and thats my story and I am sticking to it
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i've never seen so many people downtown for weeks i think the olympics have really made people rediscover their own city people who avoided downtown for years are coming back since rediscovering

and thats my story and I am sticking to it
On a somewhat related topic there's a lot of protesting going on at the G8/G20 summit. The same familiar vandals dressed in black breaking windows and whatnot.

I guess all of the problems are solved here since the streets have been quiet for months.

Or could it be that they are just attention whores?
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Following what's happening to Toronto right now, it's a complete warzone.

Why on earth did Harper choose Downtown Toronto to be the site of the G20? That's by far the worst decision ever.
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On a somewhat related topic there's a lot of protesting going on at the G8/G20 summit. The same familiar vandals dressed in black breaking windows and whatnot.

I guess all of the problems are solved here since the streets have been quiet for months.

Or could it be that they are just attention whores?
yeah just saw an article of a guy from Edmonton who went to Toronto to protest - his side is that the police harass people and we live in a police state basically - it seems the worst of them are not from toronto that like the ones here just travel around the world to cause chaos
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Following what's happening to Toronto right now, it's a complete warzone.

Why on earth did Harper choose Downtown Toronto to be the site of the G20? That's by far the worst decision ever.
Well, he could have had it in a remote area, or Canadian Forces Base outside of the city, but then he'd be accused of taking democracy away from the people.
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Well, he could have had it in a remote area, or Canadian Forces Base outside of the city, but then he'd be accused of taking democracy away from the people.
It seems like they forgot about APEC 1997 at UBC when planning for the summit.
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We could say the same for the olympics, why have it in a city with a history of protesting and not out in the middle of nowhere so there would be no protesters.
What's happening in Toronto is the the exact thing that happened here, a group of anarchists protesting the only system that allows them to do so. It's ironic that people are protesting the very people that us the people put in power.
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