Federal Government & Politics II

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

A significant portion of voters will have no idea who he is until the election campaign starts.

Remember these things are decided by the most fickle 10% of voters at the end of the day. Sad but true!

Yet what the Pollsters have noticed since last Summer is that the same bunch that got off the Couch in 2015 to Fire Harper have decided that Trudeau's time is up. Call them Blue Liberals or Progressive Conservatives but these folks usually have enough economic reserves to weather any political storms.They are a solid 6% of the electorate and when they move Majority Governments get elected. They will put up with some Socialist policies so long as the business climate balances that out.

The Climate taxes upset that balance. The Government also seems hellbent to let Guibault lead Economic and Climate policy so the Student Council depth of these Liberals has been exposed and have been deemed too immature and costly for the Country to move forward. The obvious Blindness to the European security situation also has the Adults like a Frank McKenna and Frank Stronach concerned . Canada is in a relative sense as weak now as we were on the eve of the Second World War. In some senses weaker.

[Truenorth00]

I don't think most middle class voters really care that much about climate taxes. At least here in Ontario. The only people I hear whining about it, are people who wouldn't have ever voted for Trudeau anyway. The rebates do help blunt some of the criticism. And $200-300 per quarter for most families isn't chump change.

Housing and general cost of living is what is moving the polls against the LPC. It really is that simple. Nobody will give a damn about 14¢/L in carbon tax if interest rates go back to 3%. A mortgage going up 1% is more expensive for most mortgagees than any carbon tax will ever be.

[whatnext]

Seriously, how many institutions, advisors etc need to hit the Trudeau Liberals over the head to make them see reality? From todays Globe & Mail:

[B]Canada stuck in ‘population trap,’ needs to reduce immigration, bank economists say
MATT LUNDYECONOMICS REPORTER
PUBLISHED 6 HOURS AGO

Canada is caught in a “population trap” and needs to rein in immigration significantly to escape it, according to a Monday report from National Bank of Canada economists, part of an emerging consensus that explosive growth is exacerbating some of the country’s economic troubles.

In the report, economists Stéfane Marion and Alexandra Ducharme say “staggering” population growth is stretching the country’s capacity to absorb new arrivals. They add that the main example of this strain is in the housing market, where construction has lagged behind demand from newcomers.

The National Bank economists argue that annual population growth should not exceed 300,000 to 500,000.…

…. Surveys show that public support for immigration is fading, as Canadians link home affordability concerns to the influx of newcomers. Statscan’s inflation report shows that rents are growing at historically strong rates, while housing prices remain elevated, despite a lull in activity in the home resale market driven by higher interest rate…..

[lio45]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

There is, however,one person I can see that could not be associated with this gov'ts incredible incompetence and scandals...Mark Carney. He has automatic name recognition, would get a lot of Bay Street {and hence media & financial} support,

You mean, you think it's a good idea for the LPC to switch to "I'm Mark Carney and under me, we'd be importing ~1.7 million new warm bodies per year because that's what's going to please my Bay Street buddies"...?

[casper]

Originally Posted by Dartguard

Yet what the Pollsters have noticed since last Summer is that the same bunch that got off the Couch in 2015 to Fire Harper have decided that Trudeau's time is up. Call them Blue Liberals or Progressive Conservatives but these folks usually have enough economic reserves to weather any political storms.They are a solid 6% of the electorate and when they move Majority Governments get elected. They will put up with some Socialist policies so long as the business climate balances that out.

The Climate taxes upset that balance. The Government also seems hellbent to let Guibault lead Economic and Climate policy so the Student Council depth of these Liberals has been exposed and have been deemed too immature and costly for the Country to move forward. The obvious Blindness to the European security situation also has the Adults like a Frank McKenna and Frank Stronach concerned . Canada is in a relative sense as weak now as we were on the eve of the Second World War. In some senses weaker.

This government has made significant investment in military equipment. The fundamental problem is its has come later and these systems are complex and time significant time to bring online. While we can find gaps (especially in the army) I just don't see the Conservatives as a bunch that would have done better.

The previous conservatives were deliberately slowing down the national ship building program to keep annual spend in check and have a "balanced budget".

A fair criticism, is the Liberals should have done a better job on the people front. They need to make military service a more attractive option for the next generation. Playing with pay scales is a problem. Not providing better housing options is also a problem.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by casper

This government has made significant investment in military equipment. The fundamental problem is its has come later and these systems are complex and time significant time to bring online. While we can find gaps (especially in the army) I just don't see the Conservatives as a bunch that would have done better.

The previous conservatives were deliberately slowing down the national ship building program to keep annual spend in check and have a "balanced budget".

A fair criticism, is the Liberals should have done a better job on the people front. They need to make military service a more attractive option for the next generation. Playing with pay scales is a problem. Not providing better housing options is also a problem.

I definitely agree on the people front especially as the Civil service has gone a little bonkers. Folks certainly don't feel that Federal services have become more efficient.The Government has gone out of its way to make the alphabet people feel secure in DND employ but have driven out many Military aged Males to do it. The RCAF has had a good contracting year but I truly believe the White House was very close to the pen on all those signings. The Liberals have had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the European situation and we are coming on two years with very few contracts to replace the kit the Army lost which in the quiet part of the evening probably makes Trudeau and the PMO happy. Disarming Canada and all that.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by goodgrowth

I dunno...I suspect if he had the chance to be Finance Minister of Canada he might settle. That position still supersedes a lot of other things.

I doubt he would want to be an opposition MP for long though.

I can’t see any reason why Carney would want the job in the current circumstances. He wouldn’t have any power to change the country’s finances, the government probably has less than 18 months. He might run for the leadership after next hear’s blood bath and provide a good contrast to PP in opposition.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I can’t see any reason why Carney would want the job in the current circumstances. He wouldn’t have any power to change the country’s finances, the government probably has less than 18 months. He might run for the leadership after next hear’s blood bath and provide a good contrast to PP in opposition.

Well a smart politician takes their chances and doesn't wait. If it was there for the taking he could make a complete U Turn as someone who doesn't have any fingerprints. Bring in a budget with massive cuts, immigration freeze, change of tone on the virtue signaling. Date the NDP to vote the budget down and most of the negative consequences of the cuts are in the future. What do the Conservatives run against? We'd do the same but we are real Conservatives. Probably but that is much better than any election campaign you can imagine with the current crew. Except none of the socialists in charge of the Liberals now see any point to that so wouldn't allow it. And really what is the point? Naked power? They actually believe in what they are doing for the most part. A few Blue Liberals who have been sidelined aside.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Huge support for PP? Last time I heard, 69% of Canadians didn't want PP as the PM. Granted, support for JT was even more abysmal, but 69% nay is not what i would call "huge support". People by and large don't like the guy.

I agree that people generally don't like PP but they don't have to. All they need do is dislike him less than they do Trudeau which clearly they do. When you combine this with Trudeau's horrifying management of the economy. our plunging standard of living, and a gov't that has been in power for 8 years which looks tired and rudderless, Trudeau and the Liberals are going to get the pasting they so richly deserve.

Right now, despite the fact that many neither like PP or the Tories in general, people are of the mindset that he couldn't possibly do more damage than Trudeau. The classic ABC has turned into the ABT.

[urbandreamer]

Basically every 9 years voters flip between Coke and Pepsi. Not much changes.

[casper]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Basically every 9 years voters flip between Coke and Pepsi. Not much changes.

Interesting comparison.

Well Pepsi has more sugar, calories and caffeine. It has a sharper attacking flavor.

Coke has more sodium, a smother flavour and far better marketing. It is also slightly healthier due to having less sugar.

Clearly Coke is the Liberal drink while Pepsi the Conservative. But yes, hard to tell apart for most people.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Huge support for PP? Last time I heard, 69% of Canadians didn't want PP as the PM. Granted, support for JT was even more abysmal, but 69% nay is not what i would call "huge support". People by and large don't like the guy.

I've noticed some people posting this online. I don't know how effective or ineffective it will be but it's catching on with some.

[whatnext]

I guess if ranting against the inevitable makes them feel good, then go for it.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I don't think most middle class voters really care that much about climate taxes. At least here in Ontario. The only people I hear whining about it, are people who wouldn't have ever voted for Trudeau anyway. The rebates do help blunt some of the criticism. And $200-300 per quarter for most families isn't chump change.

Housing and general cost of living is what is moving the polls against the LPC. It really is that simple. Nobody will give a damn about 14¢/L in carbon tax if interest rates go back to 3%. A mortgage going up 1% is more expensive for most mortgagees than any carbon tax will ever be.

I totally agree with you. The carbon pricing has not been a big topic at all in Ontario. That's why I'm unsure about PP having much success here if he focuses too much on it. Sure the big time CPC supporters talk about it a lot but that's to be expected.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by casper

Interesting comparison.

Well Pepsi has more sugar, calories and caffeine. It has a sharper attacking flavor.

Coke has more sodium, a smother flavour and far better marketing. It is also slightly healthier due to having less sugar.

Clearly Coke is the Liberal drink while Pepsi the Conservative. But yes, hard to tell apart for most people.

I’m guessing your Coca Cola weight loss program is going about as well as the Liberal’s national housing affordability strategy.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I can’t see any reason why Carney would want the job in the current circumstances. He wouldn’t have any power to change the country’s finances, the government probably has less than 18 months. He might run for the leadership after next hear’s blood bath and provide a good contrast to PP in opposition.

He's not very well known among the vast majority of voters. I don't understand why some people make such a big deal about him. He's not even an MP or in an elected position.

[casper]

Originally Posted by theman23

I’m guessing your Coca Cola weight loss program is going about as well as the Liberal’s national housing affordability strategy.

I actually drink Coke Zero in moderation. All the taste without the calories.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Well a smart politician takes their chances and doesn't wait. If it was there for the taking he could make a complete U Turn as someone who doesn't have any fingerprints. Bring in a budget with massive cuts, immigration freeze, change of tone on the virtue signaling. Date the NDP to vote the budget down and most of the negative consequences of the cuts are in the future. What do the Conservatives run against? We'd do the same but we are real Conservatives. Probably but that is much better than any election campaign you can imagine with the current crew. Except none of the socialists in charge of the Liberals now see any point to that so wouldn't allow it. And really what is the point? Naked power? They actually believe in what they are doing for the most part. A few Blue Liberals who have been sidelined aside.

Maybe, but the NDP would immediately pull the plug and a new leader with no political experience would have to almost immediately fight an election campaign repudiating the last 9 years of Liberal rule. That would be a challenge.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Maybe, but the NDP would immediately pull the plug and a new leader with no political experience would have to almost immediately fight an election campaign repudiating the last 9 years of Liberal rule. That would be a challenge.

Yes. But odds look better than in a year running on their record. On the other hand another year and a half in power is fully 40% of a full mandate so worth running out the clock in power terms.

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I don't think most middle class voters really care that much about climate taxes. At least here in Ontario.

I'd say this is true for the carbon taxes, however plenty of Liberal voters in Ontario are annoyed by the EV mandates.