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Old Posted May 22, 2015, 7:06 PM
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(Inappropriate to hum Rice-a-roni on NLA?)


1940 - Street cars







1940 - Stakebed load

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/87667/rec/18



That's why they call it Angelino "Heights"?

Appreciate the followups. The incline looks fairly steep and a great place for runaways. (Bunker Hill light?) Note that at least a one car opted for angle parking.

For some reason I think I have seen a shot of the public face of the market but I have been unable to locate it. The clapboard siding may be a different tone-color but it is nonetheless reminiscent of the Las Palmas Mkt.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12035




Tobacco ok. Alcohol?* http://mashable.com/2014/10/15/the-k...out-on-a-date/

1955 - JD with 19yo Ursula at Ciro's.
http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Dean.jpg

1955 - JD and UAndress
http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploa.../Dean-crop.jpg




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Old Posted May 22, 2015, 7:31 PM
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Beaudry, that keyhole doorway at the Melody Lane is amazing. I've never seen it close up before.
I take it the policeman is pointing at bullet?




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So where on Sunset is this? I haven't figured it out yet.

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Old Posted May 22, 2015, 7:52 PM
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According to the Old L.A. Restaurants website, that Tourmaline linked, in 1950 the Villa Capri opened at 1735 N. McCadden Place in Hollywood. (It was next door to Don the Beachcomber's restaurant at #1727, which had previously been located on the opposite side of the street.) In 1957, Villa Capri relocated to a larger, plusher building a few blocks away at 6735 Yucca Street, one block north of Hollywood Boulevard.

I could not find any photographs of the Villa Capri on McCadden Place. I did find this one of the
6735 Yucca Street address. It was taken in 1971.


photos all from Bruce Torrence/Hollywood Photographs

It turns out this location was not a "few blocks away" as described above.
McCadden Place is the first street to the left when you pass Highland Ave.
going east on Hollywood Blvd. It only runs about a block long and then hits
Yucca Street in a "T" as you can see in the photo, so the original Villa Capri
was only a half a block or so from there.

Here's an interior of it from 1960.


None of the two Don the Beachcomber's or Villa Capri's survive. They've all been demolished.
In fact, I wonder what is on that street nowadays?



I did find the following two photos of James Dean at the Villa Capri on McCadden Place.
They are dated 1955.



The female he is with is actress Ursula Andress. The others are not identified






I haven't researched anything, but I've wondered about that on occasion as well, especially watching films from the 30's and 40's. Let us know anything you find out again about this subject!
It looks like the man in the back of the first photo, wearing a bow tie is Henry Mancini
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According to the Old L.A. Restaurants website, that Tourmaline linked, in 1950 the Villa Capri opened at 1735 N. McCadden Place in Hollywood. (It was next door to Don the Beachcomber's restaurant at #1727, which had previously been located on the opposite side of the street.) In 1957, Villa Capri relocated to a larger, plusher building a few blocks away at 6735 Yucca Street, one block north of Hollywood Boulevard.



I did find the following two photos of James Dean at the Villa Capri on McCadden Place.
They are dated 1955.



The female he is with is actress Ursula Andress. The others are not identified






I haven't researched anything, but I've wondered about that on occasion as well, especially watching films from the 30's and 40's. Let us know anything you find out again about this subject!
sopas ej.....That's how they did his hair for the part of Jett Rink as an older man in the film Giant.

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This must be the old fire station. It now faces Edgeware Road between Bellevue Avenue and Boston Street.


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A truncated tower still exists at the rear.


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The building on the southwest corner of Edgeware and Temple (1300 W Temple) is a survivor, although it's just out of frame in Tourmaline's pictures. I found a build date of 1924.


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Here's a 1948 aerial view which I think still shows the fire station, complete with tower, at its original location.


Historic Aerials
There are some pictures of the fire station being moved at the Los Angeles City Fire Department Historical Archives athttp://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006/FS006_1948-1949.htm

The building to the right of the corner market (brick building - 1924) is a house that was recently remodeled. Its original build date was 1911. You can no longer see the original structure since they put up a board fence atop the original retaining wall and added about eight more feet of bamboo. It is 1306 West Temple.
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There are some pictures of the fire station being moved at the Los Angeles City Fire Department Historical Archives athttp://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006/FS006_1948-1949.htm

The building to the right of the corner market (brick building - 1924) is a house that was recently remodeled. Its original build date was 1911. You can no longer see the original structure since they put up a board fence atop the original retaining wall and added about eight more feet of bamboo. It is 1306 West Temple.


Thanks for the fascinating link. Quite an undertaking.

http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006...nmove_1000.gif


http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006...ove-02_600.gif



http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006...ove-01_600.gif


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After Fire Station 6 was vacated by the fire department, it was originally slated to be used as a community and youth center, housing the Central City Action Committee and Angelino Heights Community Organization. After months of persistent discussion between Councilman Mike Hernandez and our own Isabel Rosas, the LAFD Historical Society will now be able to occupy two of the three apparatus bays and one of the downstairs offices.

The structure was built in 1929 at 1279 W. Temple, on the same site as an older station built in 1900. When the Hollywood Freeway was construed in the late 1940s, the station was moved by the State Highway Division at a cost of $51,273. Total cost of land exchange and building restoration after the move was $117,300. Its new location was 534 N. Edgeware, where it remains today.




Station 6 was reopened on March 22, 1949, after a moving process that took more than a year to complete. During that time, Engine Company 6 operated out of an abandoned gas station across the street, on the northwest corner of Temple and Edgeware.

On August 6, 1987, a new Station 6 was established by the LAFD at 326 N. Virgil Ave. For a time, old Station 6 was temporarily occupied by the department's Emergency Preparedness Division.

Details of the Moving Process

It was determined that the brick building, which has a first-floor area of 9,437 square feet, must be moved nearly a hundred yards up a slight hill from its old location on Temple Street. It would have to be turned 90 degrees to face Edgeware Road. The mover divided the job into several distinct steps. First, the hose tower was cut off at the second-floor level. Then timbers for moving were set on the ground, the main floor headers were shored up and the entire structure was raised four feet. Next, it was pulled back (to the north) 30 feet, raised four feet higher, pulled back again and moved another 50 feet to the position it now occupies.

The next scheduled step was the tricky task of turning the building without buckling it. Finally, it was towed across Boston Street to the new site. Once lifted, the actual move of the building took two months. http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS006..._1948-1949.htm


So many of the fire station hose towers seemed to have disappeared or have been substantially altered. I would assume this was a result of the Field Act. Are there any pre-'33 towers still extant?



1929 - Company 61 with its hose tower (5821 West Third Street) aka the famous "False Alarms" station. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7493
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS061...ew-01_1500.jpg



1977 - Company 61 without its original hose tower? (Interesting gothic(?) building lighting)
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS061...Photo_1500.jpg



1936 - A '32 Ford from FAlarms
http://pics.imcdb.org/0is522/3stooge...31kb1.1639.jpg

http://pics.imcdb.org/0is73/3stooges...s2ic9.4555.jpg


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Well you can certainly look at the images and pretend that the accompanying Ellroyisms are so much Lorem Ipsum...but his tales do give the backstories, so you may want to slog your way through them. Each of these is significantly shorter than his new novel by about 720 pages, so, not too bad. Plus his introductory essay is written in full, erudite sentences and not in the staccato prose for which he is known—his take on Parker, LA, society, etc., may not be to everyone's digestion, personally, I eat it up gleefully. De gustibus non est disputandum!

The keyhole doorway at the Melody Lane, Hollywood & Vine:
There's no explaining taste. My son and daughter-in-law eat sushi. My wife has been known to order broccoli, on purpose. As for Mr. Ellroy, I look forward to his full and erudite sentences. The rest may turn out to be just so much uncooked fish. In any event, I'm happy to have the book. Which just arrived five minutes ago. Yippee.

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A request.

Hello all, I am wondering if anyone here can help me in a search since the sleuthing abilities here at Noirish LA are pretty legendary at this point!

I am looking for information, and especially photos, of the Richfield Beacons in Alhambra and Castaic Junction. Not strictly LA I know, but close so I hope it's ok. For those unaware, Richfield put up a string of beacon towers from Mexico to Canada in 1928-1930, as promotional tools as well as navigational aids for flyers. Each tower was triangular, 125 feet tall, and had Richfield spelled vertically down two sides in letters several feet tall, with a two-letter code for its location in even larger letters on the third side. At the base of most towers was a service station, built in Mission Revivial style for most of California, or an English-Norman style for northern California, Oregon and Washington.

You've all seen at least one of these beacons: the tower on top of the Richfield Building in DTLA. Although being on top of a building it was different than the rest. Here is what the others in SoCal looked like:


http://theoldmotor.com/?p=90970

The pic above is of the station in Barstow, with the Beacon Tavern hotel behind it - an improvement that was planned for all beacons eventually but never occurred due to the depression and the beacons' rather quick technological obsolescence.

Information on the Alhambra beacon is scant. All that I have seen are a couple of entries from Air Commerce Bulletin in 1929 and 1930, found at http://richfieldbeacons.weebly.com - I will quote their quote:

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October 1, 1929: Certification of private lights: "Alhambra, Calif.---The Richfield Oil Co., of California is operating a 24-inch beacon, 8,000,000 candlepower, six revolutions per minute, elevation of main beam above horizon 1 degree, located 1 1/4 miles airline south of the post office, mounted on top of a 125-foot steel tower, latitude 34 degrees 04' 38", longitude 118 degrees 06' 47", altitude 385 feet. Red neon signs 115 feet long, with the word "Richfield," are on two sides of this tower, and a third side has initials "AR" in 15-foot neon letters. The tower is located adjacent to the Western Air Express Field, for which reason no directional projector is operated in conjunction therewith." (Air Commerce Bulletin, Vol. 1, No. 7)


July 15, 1930: Under beacon lights discontinued: "Alhambra, Calif. -- Light formerly operated by Richfield Oil Co., located 1 1/2 miles south of Alhambra." (Air Commerce Bulletin)
It does not appear that there was a service station at this beacon.
I believe the Western Air Express Field at Alhambra has been covered here before with photos of the grand opening of a new terminal/control tower in spring 1930. I was unable to spot the Richfield beacon in any photos of that event. I assume it was discontinued in summer 1930 because it was no longer needed after they built the control tower, and in fact the Air Commerce Bulletin coordinates are at the control tower site. The coordinates would seem to be exact, but based on my experience with other beacon sites they could be a tad off. In any case, I have no helpful photos of the control tower site prior to 1930.


The beacon at Castaic Junction did come with service station, and was located at what is now the intersection of The Old Road and Henry Mayo Dr., with a Beacon Coffee Shop across Henry Mayo. The exact location of this one is firmly established with aerial photos as it was not soon destroyed, but I have found no ground level pictures of it - I have an ad for the coffee shop which shows it only, and this photo of the intersection looking south:


(Don't remember where I picked this one up)

The beacon and station would be behind camera from this vantage point. The tower was purchased by LA County in 1943 and removed to a mountaintop somewhere for use as a transmission tower by the fire department. Where exactly it was placed, I don't know.

So, any help would be appreciated! These are the only ones in the immediate LA area; the next closest were in Dana Point, and Santa Barbara (tower only). I started a Richfield Beacons Facebook page a couple of weeks ago to foster information-gathering on all the sites, as a number of them have not been precisely located, mostly in Oregon and Washington where fewer towers had service stations adjacent.
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Beaudry, that keyhole doorway at the Melody Lane is amazing. I've never seen it close up before.
I take it the policeman is pointing at bullet?


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Yuuuuuup. It's quite a story:




Too bad the book isn't ten times the size: each case in the book has five, sometimes twenty-five original negatives from all angles. The above case is particularly well-documented: lots of images looking up and down the street, great shots of the ML's interior, which has a wonderfully elegant "under the sea" sort of seaweed motif painted on the mirrored walls, and round leather booths (and mid-day drinkers hunkered over their cocktails looking unperturbed that LAPD photographers are shooting flashbulbs at them).
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Well you can certainly look at the images and pretend that the accompanying Ellroyisms are so much Lorem Ipsum...but his tales do give the backstories, so you may want to slog your way through them. Each of these is significantly shorter than his new novel by about 720 pages, so, not too bad. Plus his introductory essay is written in full, erudite sentences and not in the staccato prose for which he is known—his take on Parker, LA, society, etc., may not be to everyone's digestion, personally, I eat it up gleefully. De gustibus non est disputandum!

The keyhole doorway at the Melody Lane, Hollywood & Vine:
I believe this is the interior of the Melody Lane bar. It was very small and narrow.
The design is from the Wayne McAllister design studio. They were famous for their moderne drive-in restaurants.


See a lot of his work at this website:

https://www.google.com/search?q=wayn..._AUoAQ&dpr=1.5


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I believe this is the interior of the Melody Lane bar. It was very small and narrow.
The design is from the Wayne McAllister design studio. They were famous for their moderne drive-in restaurants.



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Absolutely right! I was confusing my bars. (I just remembered the painted or etched mirrored wall—it's thousands of negs, and I don't have them in front of me.) I remember some of the best images were shot looking out from the dim interior, through the open keyhole door, into the street.
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The gunmen were from Lockport, New York. What is it with people from Lockport?

These gunmen...Timothy McVeigh...my college roommate...
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1940 - Street cars


As long as we are in the neighborhood, has anybody seen old pictures of Bob's Market on Bellevue?


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It's a popular filming location, seen here in The Fast and The Furious...

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...and here supposedly for a movie called L.A. Noir.

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More high stepping?

Music Box Steps vs. Descanso Stairway vs. Edendale Steps?

http://www.snowcrest.net/marnells/stepsign.jpg



935 Vendome Street
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ct0113-jpg.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...t.jpg~original


Music Box sign
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ct0116-jpg.jpg

The Music Box steps
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...74db23c737.jpg


Music Box Steps
https://keepitupdavid.files.wordpres...steps-sign.jpg



Music Box Steps
https://keepitupdavid.files.wordpres...os-angeles.jpg


I thought there was NLA discussion regarding Laurel & Hardy's Music Box at or near 923 Vendome Street in Silverlake, but maybe not.

Hollywood Graham mentions that the same steps were used in an Edgar Kennedy short, but I am confused by his mention of 1947 Sunset Bl. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12727. Unless it refers to Belmont Bob and horse meat. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12724 There is a so-called Music Box Loop that where Sunset Blvd. meets Parkman, but this seems unconnected with 1947.https://www.bing.com/maps/default.as...BnLjF+cmFkLjgw Also, our Wikipedia friends assert that the "Hollywood Graham/Edgar Kennedy/Descanso Drive steps--stairway are in the same vicinity as the Music Box Steps, but nevertheless different stairs.
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Hats Off was itself remade by Edgar Kennedy in 1945 as It's Your Move, but utilizing a different staircase although located in the same vicinity where the "Music Box Steps" are in Silver Lake (known as the Descanso Stairs, they are situated at the intersection of Descanso and Larissa Drives, specifically between the residences of 3217 Descanso Dr. and 3200-3206 Larissa Dr., and one block from Sunset Blvd. which can be seen in the background in several long shots). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_Box
The above explanation seems to be borne out by another source.

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I ran up the Music Box Steps (133 in total). At the top, I turned right and ran a block or so, to a second set of stairs, called the Descanso Stairway. It has 138 steps, and I ran up those. Then, I ran another block or so, to the top of a third set of stairs, called the Micheltoreno Stairway. It has 205 stairs, spread out over 2 blocks, and I ran down them, to Sunset Boulevard, where I turned around and did the course in reverse, back to my starting point. https://keepitupdavid.wordpress.com/...emy/#more-6694


Sunset Blvd. as depicted in "It's your move."
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GyAa8X99z1o/0.jpg

It's Your Move, Descanso Stairway
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nGW0TZZ4AzQ/hqdefault.jpg






Adding to the confusion.

I overheard someone misstate that the same Descanso -- Music Box steps were used by the 3 Stooges in one of their comedies. To be clear, the 1941- Three Stooges short, An Ache in Every Stake used different , albeit nearby steps. "Nearby" is a relative term. Depending upon your vantage point, this was filmed at 2257 Fair Oak View Terrace (bottom) or 2212 Edendale Place (top).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...obbycard41.jpg


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These steps (not too far from the Music Box steps) are the ones that Curly carries an ice block to the top which transforms to an ice cube. I think the stooges may go sliding down them also.

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the location of the steps is fair oak terrace in silver lake.





http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lcoKB0GPwC.../3s-steps2.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/1p80me.jpg



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pqki8bFD8s...ls/s1600/l.JPG


FWIW, the "Edendale Cut" as an example of the above geography less today's substantial vegetation. I thought this was a prior NLA post, so apologies if it's x2.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yZN-hSM_9v...dited+copy.jpg


More on the general vicinity here http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1569 and
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Returning to my first picture, the Wiltern Theatre is visible in the distance. Nowadays, the view is blocked by trees and tall buildings.


Detail of first picture above








Fresh paint, full shelves. Pencils sharpened. Plessier gets ready for its closeup.

Hard to keep track of previous postings or their variants. I have seen these 1931-images before but I can't located them on NLA. I have searched. So, if they are retreads, here's a fresh look. Notice what appears to be the preparations for or by the first occupants. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../15667/rec/264


1931 - Plessier gets spiffed





Reflecting on reflections.






1931 - Plessier closer





1931 - Oxford - Oxford







Wondering if these long-gone residences on Oxford were intended for single or multiple families?


















Henry de Roulet (Extra sturdy ladders)













High wire. "Did I drop something?"























Interesting 1930's man-made topography.











Before Capital Records





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The gunmen were from Lockport, New York. What is it with people from Lockport?

These gunmen...Timothy McVeigh...my college roommate...
County seat of Niagara County. Niagara County Jail is in Lockport.
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sopas ej.....That's how they did his hair for the part of Jett Rink as an older man in the film Giant.

Ah OK, makes sense. I saw "Giant" only once, years and years ago, and didn't remember that James Dean's character was made to look like his hairline receded. I do remember the character as an older man, though.
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As long as we are in the neighborhood, has anybody seen old pictures of Bob's Market on Bellevue?


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Here are a couple of shots of Maple Avenue South taken in May 1975. The building on the left has gone, but I think all the others are still standing.

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This shots gives a better view of the Cornell Buildings in the background. It looks like the sign on the building on the left says "The ISAACS BLDG". It now says "MOHILEF BLDG".

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Buses still run down Maple Avenue South, but no longer use the building on the right.


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Bob's Market on Bellevue

It's a popular filming location, seen [...] in The Fast and The Furious...
...and here supposedly for a movie called L.A. Noir.

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This is probably referring to the mini-series titled Mob City. It was originally titled L.A. NOIR,
after the book of the same name, but they didn't want it confused with the video game that
was then new, L.A. NOIRE, so they retitled it.

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