Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[libtard]

They have already started erecting buildings on the eastern part of tilbury island as part of that massive new business park. Literally the whole island has already been claimed for development.

[MIPS]

So then why not an elevated roadway over business industrial park?
I mean, Vancouver did it with the viaducts half a century ago, though the soil conditions between False Creek and here might mean an excessively large amount of pile driving to meet any form of a seismic spec.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by MIPS

So then why not an elevated roadway over business industrial park?
I mean, Vancouver did it with the viaducts half a century ago, though the soil conditions between False Creek and here might mean an excessively large amount of pile driving to meet any form of a seismic spec.

Elevated roadways over business parks where do you think this is??

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by libtard

Elevated roadways over business parks where do you think this is??

Or, when do you think this is?

[MIPS]

Some point between 1955 and 1988.

Well you sure ain't going to go under them, so unless a plan involves buying all the land on the alignment you might as well go over it.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Some point between 1955 and 1988.

Well you sure ain't going to go under them, so unless a plan involves buying all the land on the alignment you might as well go over it.

They could construct the buildings in such a way that the roadway goes through it, just like Japan.

But then some SJW will start screaming "CULTURAL APPROPRIATION" and dox whoever was involved.

[kev_427]

Originally Posted by libtard

Elevated roadways over business parks where do you think this is??

The south end of the Golden Ears Bridge is elevated over an industrial park.

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by libtard

Elevated roadways over business parks where do you think this is??

Source: Googlemaps

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

Source: Googlemaps

The elevated section for the most part had an ROW. It did slightly go over the property of an industrial company. With Tilbury the roadways would literally be over top of MANY companies in the area. Either way though, why would they build an elevated roadway over a brand new business park. By all means though, you're welcome to map out a proposed route for this bridge that will never get built.

[Metro-One]

Okay, really, did this forum just smoke a bunch of crack?

Do you really think that this provincial government is seriously going to float the idea of building an entirely new highway corridor through ALR land? Especially one that would land directly on Vancouver / Burnaby soil?? Two communities that take a very black and white anti-all high capacity roads approach?

Seriously, if they have cancelled a highway project that was going to be built entirely within an existing highway corridor (and would have actually returned some land, especially around the Steveston Interchange) then don't waste your time with these never going to happen fantasies.

Even if some of them are logical, it doesn't matter.

The only, and I mean the only highway improvement project of any merit that has any hope of going through with our current governments is maybe upgrading the SFPR an interchange at a time to full freeway standards (and even that is a loooong shot).

[moosejaw]

I have to agree with metro one.
The region is most definitely anti-car, anti-development and anti-industry and proud of it even to the point that if you were to google cities with no freeways in it.....Vancouver is the first hit.....Other parts of the forum refer to Vancouver's highways as counterproductive and extremely inefficient. Theres even a moron on Facebook who complains everyday that Skytrain doesnt serve our needs and trams are the way to go.

No one is going to advocate building a new bridge anywhere esp if the GMB cant get off the ground.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Okay, really, did this forum just smoke a bunch of crack?

Do you really think that this provincial government is seriously going to float the idea of building an entirely new highway corridor through ALR land? Especially one that would land directly on Vancouver / Burnaby soil?? Two communities that take a very black and white anti-all high capacity roads approach?

Seriously, if they have cancelled a highway project that was going to be built entirely within an existing highway corridor (and would have actually returned some land, especially around the Steveston Interchange) then don't waste your time with these never going to happen fantasies.

Even if some of them are logical, it doesn't matter.

The only, and I mean the only highway improvement project of any merit that has any hope of going through with our current governments is maybe upgrading the SFPR an interchange at a time to full freeway standards (and even that is a loooong shot).

Hey man, I just complain about it. I don't write the policy.

The government did evaluate that one a few years ago before they decided that they'd just run with the Massey Corridor. The Boundary/Nelson/Tilbury option had a way better NPV than sticking to the existing corridor, and like I said caused a net reduction in vehicle km driven. It's a pretty reasonable outcome. It's just hard to compete with the "sanctity" of the ALR.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

Hey man, I just complain about it. I don't write the policy.

The government did evaluate that one a few years ago before they decided that they'd just run with the Massey Corridor. The Boundary/Nelson/Tilbury option had a way better NPV than sticking to the existing corridor, and like I said caused a net reduction in vehicle km driven. It's a pretty reasonable outcome. It's just hard to compete with the "sanctity" of the ALR.

I am not arguing against the logic, just the reminded everyone of the sad reality.

It is one thing to be against American style urban highways that plow through super dense neighbourhoods with super wide RoW and no urban design integration with the surrounding neighbourhoods, but sadly our current administrations are against all forms of high capacity routes (I hate absolutes).

FYI, I just went on a road trip with my friends in Japan (the nation with the world's best train system). I went to Osaka and Kobe from Kagawa, did the entire trip on freeways

[paulsparrow]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Okay, really, did this forum just smoke a bunch of crack?

Love all the proposals people draw up and talk about but I think it's less to do with smoking crack and more to do with people being unfamiliar with the area of discussion.

For instance running a bridge through Tilbury to connect with 91 and then Boundary would never work as #91 is already slammed with traffic, specifically trucks.

Furthermore the one about directing traffic over the AF and then up to boundary wouldn't work either unless you plan on twinning the AF as that's hit capacity.

Add to anyone wanting to run anything off River Road just forget that one.

[Klazu]

As a Metrotown resident a Boundary Bridge connecting to Hwy 91 would be so fantastic. That and making Boundary 3+3 lanes all the way to Hwy 1. It is ridiculous how just a few residential parking spots cause a major artery road to be just 2+2 lanes. Those people don't own that road way space, yet they are allowed to park along it.

In my wildest dreams Boundary would be a 3+3 lane trenched freeway, but yeah, this is Vancouver.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by paulsparrow

...

For instance running a bridge through Tilbury to connect with 91 and then Boundary would never work as #91 is already slammed with traffic, specifically trucks.
...

I think that like any other bridge project (Port Mann / GMT Replacement), a significant part of any selected project would also include corresponding capacity increases on surrounding approaches.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think that like any other bridge project (Port Mann / GMT Replacement), a significant part of any selected project would also include corresponding capacity increases on surrounding approaches.

I think that like with any project, it should be full assed.

[officedweller]

fully assessed?

or full assed, not half assed?

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Klazu

As a Metrotown resident a Boundary Bridge connecting to Hwy 91 would be so fantastic. That and making Boundary 3+3 lanes all the way to Hwy 1. It is ridiculous how just a few residential parking spots cause a major artery road to be just 2+2 lanes. Those people don't own that road way space, yet they are allowed to park along it.

In my wildest dreams Boundary would be a 3+3 lane trenched freeway, but yeah, this is Vancouver.

Lots of space needed for that. Ideally we would want the interchange of 91 and the subsequent highway from boundary bridge to have the same design speed as the 99/91 interchange.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by Klazu

As a Metrotown resident a Boundary Bridge connecting to Hwy 91 would be so fantastic. That and making Boundary 3+3 lanes all the way to Hwy 1. It is ridiculous how just a few residential parking spots cause a major artery road to be just 2+2 lanes. Those people don't own that road way space, yet they are allowed to park along it.

In my wildest dreams Boundary would be a 3+3 lane trenched freeway, but yeah, this is Vancouver.

With a connection to 91 at Boundary it should be tunneled and free flow to the number 1. 3 lanes would do if it would be direct with no exit points in between as you would not need significant grade and climbing lanes for all the trucks that would use it. Boundary road can function as a feeder route.

It is only 5.5 km's. Not a significant tunnel. Or 7.1 km's if you want to avoid a bridge over the North Fraser arm with a underground interchange at Marine.

This should be a regional priority and it would tie the region together by linking up the 91 to the number 1. In conjunction with this the Iron workers should finally have its 2 extra lanes added and the highway should be 3 lanned all the way to Capilano. Any other western city would have this planned, it makes so much sense looking at a map of the region and its highway network. It would create ring road of Vancouver and move lots of cross city traffic to a more efficient route.