The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

How mature of you.

Ok hypocrite. It's the truth.

[Luisito]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I’m sorry but only one of us continues to act this way.

Nope your still acting the same way. You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you continue to do it.

Socialist have always been saying Canada is becoming fascist or already is. Anyone that doesn't agree with them is a fascist to them. It was like that when I was in school and i see they haven't changed at all They are still privliged people complaining about how hard it is here..... Guess what, we're still not fascist. If anything our society has moved to the left.

It's not happening in Manitoba. Sasketchewan is not representative of all Canadian society. Socialism has never worked and will never work. Socialism is just as much of threat as fascism. There are plenty examples of this.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Calling someone a crybaby is not having a mature discussion. I joined in on the personal attacks and saw that I was wrong so Im trying to continue with a clean slate. Feel free to join me and if you think I’m wrong about something, do so with evidence. Or ignore me. That’s easy to do too. It’s an option on this forum.

You admit you have made personal attacks and now expect us to take you serious? You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you keep doing so. I tried to stay out of it yesterday but at this point your just a troll.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Luisito: you are now on my ignore list. I can see that you post but I can no longer see what it is so don’t even bother replying to my posts. Anyone else who can’t handle having a respectful conversation will be added to the list. And if you don’t want to hear what I have to say, please do the same for me.

Good. 👍 I'm glad. He asks for respect when he gives none. Typical SJW

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Before I read that, what are your thoughts on the video I shared? Do you disagree that if there’s always room for wealth to be accumulated that exploitation will inevitably return, as it is currently happening in Sweden?

Well I suppose as long as human motivation (including economic motivators) is essentially "fear-based", the temptation to hoard and control resources vital to human existence (in other words, "wealth") will be overwhelming to many.

FYI I don't count "wealth" as simply having "stuff". I don't think having "stuff" is necessarily bad if it gives you joy and you don't let it control your life. Of course, I say that because I don't know of anyone who particularly wants to have my "stuff". If someone walked into my home and asked me for my vintage board games or my collection of schlocky movies on DVD I'm sure I'd be outraged and say "mine! mine!". Life without my Battling Tops game is too scary to consider.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

The problem is, capitalism requires scarcity. Otherwise you couldn’t demand high prices for goods and low prices for labour, as is require to increase profits.

Good point, and I would add the perception or expectation of scarcity. How often have oil prices skyrocketed because investors were afraid there "might" be a shortage based on international events, weather phenomenon or a worker in an oil refinery coming down with a cold?

[P&M40BELOW]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I’m sorry but only one of us continues to act this way.



Dude, it’s happening. I’m not the only poster/person who sees it coming. Come visit Saskatchewan for a weekend, and I’ll show you it first hand.

Ronald Reagan: 'If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism' Truer words have rarely been said.

[BlackDog204]

[QUOTE=Luisito;9845480]

Nope your still acting the same way. You were asked to stop derailing the thread and you continue to do it.

Socialist have always been saying Canada is becoming fascist or already is. Anyone that doesn't agree with them is a fascist to them. It was like that when I was in school and i see they haven't changed at all They are still privliged people complaining about how hard it is here..... Guess what, we're still not fascist. If anything our society has moved to the left.

It's not happening in Manitoba. Sasketchewan is not representative of all Canadian society. Socialism has never worked and will never work. Socialism is just as much of threat as fascism. There are plenty examples of this.

For Canada as a whole, the country is obviously not in any danger of losing our democratic rights. However, it's of great concern what is happening in the United States, considering we often copy their social politics. I'm very concerned about the GOP, and the eradication of some women's rights, as well as the anti-Transgender backlash. Meanwhile, the income gap is continuing to widen. History tells us that if it gets too wide, political chaos will occur.

I see this in the UCP. The Premier Danielle Smith flirts with separating from Canada, and has some bats-hit insane ideas. It's got so bad here, that I am actually praying for an NDP election win this year- something that I ahve never done in my lifetime.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

The sad thing is the far right is able to use cultural grievances like the abortion, trans, and so-called “woke” stuff because they have nothing to offer much of their electorate in terms of economic policies and material needs, and nor does the alternative. A similar situation is happening in Canada. Except the right goes on about the carbon tax or Quebec or Trudeau. The Sask Party does it, the UCP does it, the federal Cons do it (PP is really ramping up his tired and boring rhetoric with this recent embarrassing rant), and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Manitoba PC’s are doing it (make no mistake though, Canadian conservatives consume American politics and the obsession about “wokeness” is here too). It’s always someone else’s fault and not at all the fault of their wealthy donors nor the economic system they seek to conserve. It’s why the left, in this case the Manitoba NDP, needs to focus on broad economic policies and ignore getting sucked into the culture war. Ensuring everyone has their material needs being met will take care of both social and economic justice.

Why does Pierre Poilievre telling the truth bother you so much? The most divisive prime minister this country has ever had is Justin Trudeau. When almost 70 churches were burned and vandalized across the country last year, Trudeau didn’t call out those people as a fringe minority. He sympathized with them. Every Catholic Church across this country was in fear. He didn’t give a fuck about them, but imagine they were burning mosques? Trudeau would never have shut up about it. A few truckers protest their right to work and they’re all “Nazi terrorist uneducated hick kkkonservative racist wife beaters who are Trying to overthrow the government” imagine controlling the narrative like that. You had a federal government allowing vaccinated people, who were 100% responsible for spreading and bringing variants into the country by travelling internationally for pleasure, but you’re denying unvaccinated truckers from crossing the border for work, because they might spread the virus. If you cannot see how stupid that is, god help us all. But you go on spreading your own brand of hate and divisiveness based on your illusion of inclusion. Also… Why do spend so much time in the Manitoba politics page… Worry about your own province before bringing your shit agenda to mine.

[Luisito]

[QUOTE=BlackDog204;9845779]

Originally Posted by Luisito

For Canada as a whole, the country is obviously not in any danger of losing our democratic rights. However, it's of great concern what is happening in the United States, considering we often copy their social politics. I'm very concerned about the GOP, and the eradication of some women's rights, as well as the anti-Transgender backlash. Meanwhile, the income gap is continuing to widen. History tells us that if it gets too wide, political chaos will occur.

I see this in the UCP. The Premier Danielle Smith flirts with separating from Canada, and has some bats-hit insane ideas. It's got so bad here, that I am actually praying for an NDP election win this year- something that I ahve never done in my lifetime.

The left is just as guilty of causing division in the US. I agree we should avoid copying any political trends that come from the US. wether it be leftist or right wing ideas. There won't be any kind of civil war in the US though. You mentioned that earlier, not sure if you were joking or not but that won't happen. Maybe some civil unrest but now civil war. The right has all the guns, the left is more concerned about being gender neutral. Wouldn't be much of a fight.

Anyways these thread has been derailed enough.

[Hecate]

You’re labeling me as xenophobic now. Lol. Yup keep the divisive labels coming. You want to talk about wab kinew? I wonder how his ex girlfriend he dragged down the hall by her hair feels every time he’s on the news. Or the East Indian cab driver that he beat the shit out of, I wonder how he feels seeing his assaulter sitting so high up. Or I remember the reporter asking about his homophobic comments, and wab telling him he could buy his book and read his apology in there. What a shit human being, That’s what I think. Am i being unfair. Wab kinew worked as a correspondent for the cbc during the crisis in attiwapiskat. He openly mocked the children of that community on Twitter. Laughing about their horrible living conditions. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like Trudeau.

[pspeid]

A nice article about "demonizing" people. Though it dates back to 1996, from what I've read here it is incredibly relevant to the current discourse.

https://www.scu.edu/government-ethic...our-opponents/

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

About the xenophobia comment, I’m just “telling it how it is”. Tell me: are you a fan of any sports teams outside of Manitoba?

Out of the last 80 posts on Manitoba’s provincial politics, 37 are from a guy, with no life, from Saskatchewan. Just telling it how it is.

[Hecate]

I really suggest you look up what xenophobic means before calling me one, questioning why a person, who doesn’t live here, is so obsessed with our politics, does not make one a xenophobe. All you have done is gaslight and make up your own narratives. You are a troll of the highest order. And the proof is in the pudding, as you don’t even live here.

You claim to have read that article pspeid posted, you claim you’ll try to do better, well I’d suggest reading it again.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Get over it. I’m interested in the discussion and I will continue being part of it. It’s a bit of a change of being inundated with Alberta politics as we in Sask are often forced to be. If there’s something you disagree with me on something, criticize the ideas, not the person. And enough of the comments about being an outsider or “having no life”. I’m trying to move forward in a positive direction and I expect you and others to as well.

Ohh please, poor you, practice what you freaking preach, your first response to me was to call me xenophobic. You’re a joke.