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Old Posted Dec 13, 2012, 7:54 PM
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What you have right now is a mast. It's been designed,ordered,delivered and has started to be boomed up onto the structure,so deal with it. I swear,sometimes it's like listening to a bunch of little kids who didn't get that horse for Christmas. Say what you want about symbolism but nobody really cared that the Antenna mast on the old North Tower wasn't counted toward the height of the building. It is what it is and theres nothing you can do about it,so get past it already and just watch the damn thing go up. Geezus,enough already.
This is the exact same attitude that I have. Aren't we lucky enough to at least have a new building at the site? Just makes me think how much people on this forum think that complaining about something will make it actually happen. I have news for you, Durst is cheap, and is making some cuts on the building to save prices. Be happy that it's the spire, and not the restaurant or the observation decks.
     
     
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The constant media referencing of the sensationalist '1776' foot height made it stick in too many Americans' minds.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2012, 8:07 PM
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Truth is the thing will by 1797.67' to the tip.
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Exclamation Spoiler Alert

According to IrishInNYC, the actual first section will be lifted on Tuesday December 18th in a tandem lift directly from the trailer to the final location. The piece they lifted yesterday will be kept on top of the platform for now and will wait for the first section. The concrete curb that will hold the antenna is being poured tomorrow.

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Old Posted Dec 13, 2012, 10:46 PM
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Mine, taken yesterday:



Uncovering the base:


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Old Posted Dec 13, 2012, 10:49 PM
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Truth is the thing will by 1797.67' to the tip.
This is news....So now we're talking 10 and a whisker over one half feet higher than what's been advertized at great length...FTR *another* nugget of numerological tripe symbolism that--as I would assume most of us know full-well--refers to what happened in Philadelphia; not New York...but who pays any attention to itsy-bitsy, utterly trivial details, like that?

The whole kit n' kaboodle rounds up all the easier to 1,800'. That's my point.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 12:59 AM
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NYC will have the tallest in America anyway with the Nordstrom tower at 1550' possibly higher. By the way it looks like are dissembling the south crane.
what Nordstrom Tower? HUH?
     
     
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what Nordstrom Tower? HUH?
227 West 57th..... supposed to be 1550 ft
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 1:47 AM
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Alright, I'm disappointed about the lack of radome clading as much as any of you, but you know one thing that's not going to improve the situation? Bitching and moaning about it on an internet forum. At this point, it is what it is, make peace with it.

EDIT: Furthermore, we won't know if it's officially an antenna or a spire until CTBUH calls it. You can personally consider it whatever you'd like, but you don't get to decide how they're going to rule.
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Holy hell, are you people still arguing about the spire?
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^If you folks think the mast is aesthetically unpleasant by itself, then reserve your complains to yourselves, this thing will eventually be filled with antennas and other broadcast equipment attached to the upper sections of the mast. The comm platform ring will house only microwave drums, whip antennas and similar dishes, while the rest of emissive broadcast equipment will go higher up.
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What you have right now is a mast. It's been designed,ordered,delivered and has started to be boomed up onto the structure,so deal with it. I swear,sometimes it's like listening to a bunch of little kids who didn't get that horse for Christmas. Say what you want about symbolism but nobody really cared that the Antenna mast on the old North Tower wasn't counted toward the height of the building. It is what it is and theres nothing you can do about it,so get past it already and just watch the damn thing go up. Geezus,enough already.

I'll say this for you people who don't want to read anything negative about the mast going up: GET OVER IT.

It's the only thing rising on the tower now, and if you don't want to view people's opinions of it, then move on. Everyone else will continue to voice their like or displeasure of it, and if you don't particularly agree with it, then don't. This isn't the only skyscraper going up in the world, and it certainly won't be the only one immune to criticism, no matter how many feelings it hurts. You will find that sometimes in life, there is room and opening for criticism. It's not all cheering. I hope that's a lesson learned.


As for my opinion, the antenna should have been hidden, the way it was planned. The building was intended to have a spire - not an antenna. The broadcasters came onto the project after the fact. David Childs had a lengthy battle with Libeskind over the spire, the one constant the building had to have in any design. Now, how some of you can't grasp that, I no longer care. But I think the entire affair over the spire is a disgrace, especially when it calls the building's height into question, which shouldn't even be on the table. This would NEVER have been allowed to happen 5 years ago, but as I said earlier, people have already forgotten the significance of this rebuilding, and there will be no outrage.

The best thing the CTBUH could do for this building is to rule the mast an antenna, and not a spire. Because then the design won't be called into question, it would just be an antenna, same as was on top of the original complex - something hardly anyone noticed or cared about because it wasn't a reflection on the design, and wasn't meant to be. In effect, it didn't exist.

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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 2:16 AM
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and if you dislike the antenna, GET OVER IT, lets be honest, every other of your posts on here is complaining about the antenna...
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 2:29 AM
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and if you dislike the antenna, GET OVER IT, lets be honest, every other of your posts on here is complaining about the antenna...
Nope. What else is there to talk about? The (unclad) base? Snails-pace cladding? The antenna is the focus right now and it's ugly and i'll keep calling it ugly. Ugly, ugly, ugly. What a disgrace.

Thank God for Barnett. I know he will not cheapen the FUTURE TALLEST BUILDING IN NYC (and in the U.S.A.), 225 West 57th! I suppose being the 4th tallest building in the USA isn't so bad, 1 WTC. Oh fuck it -- who are we kidding, that's just embarrassing for the much hyped World Trade Center. In any case, I can't wait until 225 West 57th starts rising because we all know Barnett isn't cheap, and has higher levels of taste and civic pride unlike Durst. I am certain the new Nordstrom Tower will be stunning.

We're lucky we have so much better looking supertalls rising soon. And i'm sure the future will usher in a new wave of supertalls that will also dwarf and overshadow this cheapened 1,373ft building. Like Barnett's 1,550ft+ one! Cant wait!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 3:12 AM
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^^ last time i checked i didnt say anything about not being able to talk about it, and i never said i disagree it is ugly although i like it at night
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This will be my last post with respect to a discussion IMHonestO regrettably contaminated by misdirected indignation to a degree that IMHumbleO steals the joy that I--and dare I suggest anyone else on this fine message board--should otherwise derive from contributing to it.

This CTBUH--and any other organization on the planet that makes a habit of splitting hairs on what constitutes a skyscraper/supertall's final height for that matter--is completely dead to me.

I am simply of the opinion that *anything* that contributes to any *functional* aspect of the structure being considered should be included in the final height figure. Artistic/architectural intent--or lack thereof--is irrelevant AFAIC.

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This will be my last post with respect to this argument (or should I say oftentimes and unnecessarily ill-tempered banter amongst some of this fine message board's membership).

This CTBUH--and any other organization on the planet that makes a habit of splitting hairs on what constitutes a skyscraper/supertall's final height for that matter--is completely dead to me.

I am simply of the opinion that *anything* that contributes to any *functional* aspect of the structure being considered should be included in the final height figure. Artistic/architectural intent is irrelevant AFAIC.
Yea, let me go bolt a 3k ft antenna to the top of my house and demand my home be recognized as the tallest building in the world...
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2012, 5:04 AM
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What you have right now is a mast. It's been designed,ordered,delivered and has started to be boomed up onto the structure,so deal with it. I swear,sometimes it's like listening to a bunch of little kids who didn't get that horse for Christmas. Say what you want about symbolism but nobody really cared that the Antenna mast on the old North Tower wasn't counted toward the height of the building. It is what it is and theres nothing you can do about it,so get past it already and just watch the damn thing go up. Geezus,enough already.
Neither you, nor anyone else, gets to tell other people what to think, feel, or say. Some of us think the whole building is crap, not just the tawdry little toothpick of an antenna. And those of us who feel that way have every right to say it, over and over.

And it should be said, over and over, because this site has been butchered. It's a disgrace.

"Let's all fall in line and hold hands and watch the thing go up and submit ourselves to empty corporate propaganda" may be OK for you, but not for many others.

The fact that's it a done deal is irrelevant. People who screwed this up should be called out and held to account.

YOU get over it.
     
     
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Can somebody get their camera and zoom into the spire? Make sure you take a pic.
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Yea, let me go bolt a 3k ft antenna to the top of my house and demand my home be recognized as the tallest building in the world...
LOL! That's so funny!
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Yea, let me go bolt a 3k ft antenna to the top of my house and demand my home be recognized as the tallest building in the world...
i'm dying right now! LMFAO
     
     
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Good thing no one is going to let what you think make up their minds. People have a right to decide whether or not they like something, and there are many valid reasons why people do not or should not like what is taking place here. And just so you know, not every skyscraper lover loves every skyscraper. And not every thing about a loved skyscraper is loved. Let that sink in a bit.
Oh sure, I suppose it's a disappointment, and I'm not telling anyone how they should feel. Just saying how I feel. Quite honestly, my biggest issue is that I'm tired of coming to this thread and read complaint after complaint. Like I said, it can't be changed, and in time, it will be accepted. I prefer to focus on the positives, and I think it'd make all the members and visitors of the site feel better if they'd take a positive attitude as well.

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Old Penn station was before my time. Didn't even know about it till i saw a cable special on it this last summer. It was beautiful. Nicer than Grand Central. If you think this newer penn station didn't ruin that area, Your kidding yourself. How the city let that happen is unbelievable. And yes, most of us don't like the new (antenna) that is replacing the original Spire.
I'm sure that 34th Street would be that much more wonderful if the original Penn Station was still there. Of course it would, but it's not, and what I said was that New York is not ruined forever because of it. And I know I'll be burned at the stake for this, but while the original Penn was a stellar example of early 20th-Century New York architecture, after strolling through today's Penn Station, I find it is a good and interesting example of Mid-century New York architecture...and when Moynihan comes to pass, it'll be even better. Again, bright sides.
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