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That seems like a good approach that will win public support. If Halifax can’t manage that, it’s not worth worrying about.
I have to say I'm underwhelmed but agree that if Halifax can't manage that they're in rough shape indeed.

With Sport Nova Scotia involved they're sure to get government money, my fears about how well this ownership group is backed still haven't been alleviated. I don't want another Renegades repeat.
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I have to say I'm underwhelmed but agree that if Halifax can't manage that they're in rough shape indeed.

With Sport Nova Scotia involved they're sure to get government money, my fears about how well this ownership group is backed still haven't been alleviated. I don't want another Renegades repeat.
I think it may be closer to Renegades than to Redblacks.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2019, 6:25 PM
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I think it may be closer to Renegades than to Redblacks.
Unfortunately so do I, RedBlacks are very well backed as are most teams in the league. Even po boy Wettenhall had at least 250 million. Hamilton is the only other private team that isn't backed by a billion dollar enterprise. Yes folks, David Braley is a billionaire.
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I really want to see Halifax in the league, and if that stadium idea gets the job done, then so be it. However, it is not exactly inspiring, certainly relative to the quality of facilities that the league has been building of late to further improve its brand (if inadvertently so).
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The new breed of small town Jr. A rinks looks more impressive than the typical WHL rink from a couple generations ago.

Here's Stride Centre in Portage la Prairie, pop. 13,304. Home of the Portage Terriers of the MJHL.

Beautiful. Looks much bigger than 2000 seats - I'd have guessed double that.
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I really want to see Halifax in the league, and if that stadium idea gets the job done, then so be it. However, it is not exactly inspiring, certainly relative to the quality of facilities that the league has been building of late to further improve its brand (if inadvertently so).
I imagine the hope has to be that if the interest is there, they can find a way to undergo a major renovation a'la BMO Field.

It's a shame that a barebones stadium is the only thing the Schooners can propose, but that's the state of the CFL in Halifax. Hopefully the city will agree this is a worthwhile investment.
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The Halifax stadium rendering looks like what you'd get if phase I of BMO Field and Tim Hortons Field had a child.

Kidding aside, it looks like a good general concept that will give a CFL team (and teams in other leagues) what they need to be successful. If the Schooners take off, then there's plenty of room for expansion.

If Halifax can't manage to get a deal done on this in the next two years, put the team in Moncton and be done with it.
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The glaring issue with the Halifax stadium proposal is that it is so bare bones that it barley has any luxury items which generate good revenues.

Also, I kept thinking they would have an arena under the seats the way they were talking of year-round events such as basketball. I kept thinking it would be a modest arena jammed under the stands but it is in fact just a blow-up tarp dome that you put up so you can plat soccer in the winter.

End of the day if it gets the team going it's a positive but that facility won't age well one bit.

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It’s not an about-face but it’s certainly a significant shift.

The group trying to bring a CFL franchise to Halifax provided the first look at a possible stadium design on Saturday while also unveiling a dramatic change in their approach to securing government money as they try and get a facility built.

Anthony LeBlanc, a founding partner of Schooners Sports and Entertainment (SSE), says the group has shifted to a community-oriented model that would feature a permanent 12,000 seat facility that would be expandable for CFL games.

“We’re finally getting to the point to getting a building that makes sense but it ties into the vision that we’re talking about. The first thing they’ll say is that a community stadium doesn’t have to have the amount of seats that a CFL team may need and we agree,” LeBlanc said Saturday at an event in Halifax hosted by the CFL. “From a community perspective, what is needed is a fixed facility that will house roughly 12,000 permanent seats so this structure is what we’re talking to our friends and partners at the municipal, provincial and federal level.”

LeBlanc says his group at SSE would then be responsible for paying for the construction of an additional 10,000 seats, along with 4,000 temporary seats, for a total of 26,000.

“That brings the capacity of the stadium up to the level that would be acceptable for CFL events and that’s what we’re responsible for, Schooner Sports and Entertainment,” LeBlanc said.

SSE has entered into a partnership with Sport Nova Scotia, a non-profit organization whose membership is made up of over 50 provincial sport organizations. CEO Jamie Ferguson says his group is firmly behind the new vision, which could provide a facility that would be available to community groups 300 days a year.

“We are going to be able to program this facility for all of the days that the CFL team is not using it or there aren’t other large events. We are looking at upwards of 300 days a year that our provincial sport organizations are going to be able to use this facility a drastically reduced cost. That’s a big deal for us,” Ferguson said. “We think it’s a model that can be used for pro sports franchises and an amateur sports organizations all over the world that can help provide more opportunities for our kids to get the benefits of sports.”

LeBlanc says the group has signed an agreement with federally-owned Canada Lands to explore the development of the Shannon Park site, which had previously been identified as the preferred site for a stadium. A delay in reaching that agreement has slowed the progress of the project, including a planned update to the Halifax regional council.

“They still haven’t received that proposal because it took a lot longer then we anticipated to get to the point where we are now with Canada Lands,” LeBlanc said. “It will allow us to do that last piece of work HRM and the province have been waiting on to do the full analysis.”

LeBlanc says the change in approach came after Halifax mayor Mike Savage raised concerned about the scope and cost of the project and suggested a phased approach. While LeBlanc didn’t provide any numbers on Sunday, it has previously been reported the cost of the project has dropped from $190 million to approximately $130 million and that the SSE partners had about $60 million of their own money to commit to the project.

“We want to make sure that anything that is done that is involving any level of government is done in a wise, frugal manner and we have really listened to what we have heard,” LeBlanc said. “We have shifted and we’ve turn this conversation into what the community wants from a community stadium.”



It's not terrible. I'd hope that the smaller of the two stands would eventually be... I don't know what the word is... permanentized? Similar to the larger of the two. Then you'd have a pretty decent stadium on your hands.
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Does Canada have any basketball specific arenas or are they all hockey arenas that re-arrange seats/add floor seating to meet the court? Allen Fieldhouse is a good example of an arena built for basketball.


Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, Kansas

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I think there are alot of basketball/court specific arenas in Canada but they are mostly found on university campuses. Here is the Currie center in Fredericton. It hosts basketball events primarily but also volleyball, and various ceremonies.



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Old Posted Mar 31, 2019, 11:41 AM
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Also, I kept thinking they would have an arena under the seats the way they were talking of year-round events such as basketball. I kept thinking it would be a modest arena jammed under the stands
Where'd you get that idea?
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Where'd you get that idea?
TD Place is one example. Built in 1967, the 10,000 seat Civic Centre (now TD Place Arena) is under the Frank-Clair (TD Place Stadium) North Side Stands.



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The Richard J. Currie Center is one of the nicest looking basketball gyms I've ever seen in Canada... it looks great.

To Bishop2047's point, most university campuses will have a basketball-specific arena of varying sizes. Winnipeg has a couple of them, one early 80s vintage building downtown at the U. of Winnipeg's campus, and one late 90s edition in Fort Garry at the U. of Manitoba's campus.

Duckworth Centre, U. Winnipeg:


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TD Place is one example.
I meant from anything the Halifax ownership group had said. I know about TD Place Arena (Civic Centre).
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Where'd you get that idea?
From the press conference video via CFL.ca. The way it was explained made me think of something more robust than a blow tarp.

"Year round amateur and professional events"

Was more or less what SSE said which made me think it was something more.
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The Richard J. Currie Center is one of the nicest looking basketball gyms I've ever seen in Canada... it looks great.
I absolutely love the wood beam suspension roof as well, gives the building a less industrial look, I hope Canada builds more.

The University of Saskatchewan Huskies PAC in Saskatoon and U of Regina Cougars Kinesiology building each have gyms about the same size as each other but with retractable seats. Outside of game days, there are 3 basketball/volleyball courts in each cities buildings.


https://huskies.usask.ca/sports/2018...acilities.aspx
https://www.reginacougars.com/sports...athletics.aspx

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I meant from anything the Halifax ownership group had said. I know about TD Place Arena (Civic Centre).
My bad.
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No prob, I see where you were coming from.
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From the press conference video via CFL.ca. The way it was explained made me think of something more robust than a blow tarp.

"Year round amateur and professional events"

Was more or less what SSE said which made me think it was something more.
Not with the kind of money that was being suggested (130 million). Unless they use some of that cheap Canadian construction labour and materials, that you're always telling us about, right?
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I have to say I'm underwhelmed but agree that if Halifax can't manage that they're in rough shape indeed.

With Sport Nova Scotia involved they're sure to get government money, my fears about how well this ownership group is backed still haven't been alleviated. I don't want another Renegades repeat.
There's some discussion of Sport Nova Scotia in the Halifax section. It sounds like they're trying to find other users for the facility, which is good news.

We've seen a fair amount of negativity about how the city can't get this done, etc. but there has been no formal proposal yet. So far to me it seems like it's proceeding slowly but that the plan looks about as good as it could be. The chosen location is probably the best available. If they included more bells and whistles their odds of being able to finance the project would be much worse, partly because it would be harder to justify public funding. This stadium plan is similar to what the municipal government might fund on its own, but with some modifications to make it suitable for CFL games.

It's understandable that some people would like a full-scale stadium but it would be reckless for the municipal government and province to sink $100-200M into a stadium that is designed mainly for a CFL experiment. If the team takes off then it will be easier for them to expand the stadium.
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