NEW YORK | 270 Park Ave | 1,389 FT | 57 FLOORS

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by WhatTheHeck5205

In light of the news that the AT&T building has been landmarked, my ideal scheme for this site is that the tower portion of the current building gets landmarked, Chase sells/leases it to someone else, and then is allowed to demolish the podium on Madison in order to build the new tower.

Not gonna happen.

What's gonna happen is what has been presented already folks. The sooner you all accept the reality of it, the better. This tower is coming down, whether we love it or hate it.

[WhatTheHeck5205]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not gonna happen.

What's gonna happen is what has been presented already folks. The sooner you all accept the reality of it, the better. This tower is coming down, whether we love it or hate it.

I mean ultimately, yes, whatever happens happens at this point. Like I said, my idea was just food for thought. Just out of curiosity though, if a compromise scheme like that was seriously proposed, either by Chase or the city, would you be opposed to it? I know you’re not really convinced of the existing tower’s architectural merits, but it’s at least minimalist by design rather than as the result of cost-cutting and value-engineering. Additionally, redeveloping just the rear podium would ensure that the whole site isn’t redeveloped with a single monolithic slab as you and others have expressed concern about.

[NYguy]

^ It wouldn't work, the floor plates wouldn't be large enough, then there is the issue of city zoning. The only way that could possibly work is through an extension of the existing tower, connecting the floorplates. That wouldn't happen for a variety of reasons. Also, it would defeat the purpose of constructing a new building (and the issue of trying to preserve the older one, what would be the point?). I think if Chase could have avoided the whole issue of moving headquarters (temporarily) and moving back again, it would have. But they will now be getting exactly the building they want for their own needs, their own footprint. Think of the redesign of tower 2 at the WTC, all of the work that went into it for a specific company at the time. And this will be a corporate headquarters tower designed from scratch, the last of which we saw here of this scale was the Goldman Sachs tower Downtown. In this case, the city is about to take building a new headquarters (or a new skyscraper) to a whole new level.



AUGUST 12, 2018

[Busy Bee]

I'm not buyin what you're sellin

[Zerton]

Maybe I'm possessed by Mies's ghost but the more I look at the existing building the more I like it. :\

[Prezrezc]

All three towers there (270, 275 and 245) are "quaint" relics from a time when the impersonal approach to doing business back in the mid-20th Century was quintessentially reflected in its corporate monuments.

I dunno...Maybe they can convert/retrofit/"gentrify" one or both of the other two; but something tells me they're in for the same fate as this one.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by Prezrezc

All three towers there (270, 275 and 245) are "quaint" relics from a time when the impersonal approach to doing business back in the mid-20th Century was quintessentially reflected in its corporate monuments.

I think that's reading a bit too much into it. Also I have no idea what you're talking about.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Prezrezc

All three towers there (270, 275 and 245) are "quaint" relics from a time when the impersonal approach to doing business back in the mid-20th Century was quintessentially reflected in its corporate monuments.

I dunno...Maybe they can convert/retrofit/"gentrify" one or both of the other two; but something tells me they're in for the same fate as this one.

Strict, soulless, and conservative.

[Amanita]

I rather like 277, I think the architects intended for it to be a respectful neighbor to 270. 277's getting some renovation work done on its base and lobby, I just hope they will put some seating on the new plaza they have planned. It's also owned by the same company that built it back in 1964. They're proud of their building, and I'd bet on it having a long life. It's clearly being well taken care of.
As for 245, that one has potential too. If it were my building, I might give it a reclad- a fresh update of what it's got now- I like the color scheme, so I'd go with glass in those colors, or maybe a glass/terra cotta hybrid like on One Vanderbilt, or that other skinny one on 57th street.

[Prezrezc]

::sniff::......Not.

[Hudson11]

I wonder what the timeframe here is? If I remember, they said they want to have the building demolished by the end of 2019, which seems incredulous for a tower of this size, but I wouldnt doubt the resources of JP Morgan Chase.

[Amanita]

I care about this building, but thanks to my work situation I won't be able to make it to NYC before spring of next year at least. FML.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

I wonder what the timeframe here is? If I remember, they said they want to have the building demolished by the end of 2019, which seems incredulous for a tower of this size, but I wouldnt doubt the resources of JP Morgan Chase.

They've got to move out of there first, largely to a building across the street that was expanded (390 Madison).


https://commercialobserver.com/2018/...t-390-madison/

Financial giant J.P. Morgan Chase has leased the rest of L&L Holding Company’s 390 Madison Avenue, taking 436,905 square feet in the 32-story Midtown East office building, Commercial Observer has learned.

Its space includes a conference center, multiple outdoor terraces and several double-height amenity areas, plus a 24,000-square-foot Chase Bank branch on the ground floor. The banking and financial services firm will occupy half of the 850,000-square-foot building on a 10-year lease.

J.P. Morgan Chase announced it would knock down its existing headquarters at 270 Park Avenue and develop a new, 70-story headquarters in its place. 270 Park is conveniently located a block east of L&L’s project, which will make it easy for the bank to relocate thousands of workers when it decides to redevelop its current home.

https://www.390madison.com/chapters/exterior-building/

Originally Posted by Amanita

I care about this building, but thanks to my work situation I won't be able to make it to NYC before spring of next year at least. FML.

You will probably make it before any real change happens.

[Submariner]

Is 390 complete yet?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Submariner

Is 390 complete yet?

It's either finished, or close to it. I haven't really been looking at it, but last time I went by there the sidewalk fence was still up.

Speaking of 390 though, it's been redesigned to add some of the amenities that all of the new developments have, most visibly the landscaped terraces. It leads me to believe that the new 270 won't just be a straight up box as it rises, like the current tower.



https://www.kpf.com/projects/390-madison-avenue

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Submariner

Is 390 complete yet?

A look down from 270...

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bph5a_ch...n-by=dayedeura

[Zapatan]

It still amazes me JPMorgan will spend the money to knock down an existing 700+ foot skyscraper to build a new, bigger one, instead of just move into 2WTC or something. I guess they want their own customized office space though and have more money than they know what to do with so it's okay.

[Hudson11]

I walked past about two months ago and work was still ongoing, with the hoist still up.

[NYguy]

There is also a cam.
https://www.390madison.com/the-site/

[NYguy]

Another looksy at 390.



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