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Old Posted Mar 2, 2015, 7:26 PM
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2015, 8:05 PM
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How to do a real memorial:

I was researching something lately when I came upon this. It's the memorial for the children of Lidice murdered by the Nazi's in reprisals for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. Beyond the more obvious skill of the artist, not present in the Communism memorial, it has one more important requirements of a memorial. It memorializes a specific event and specific people. It forces us to remember the murdered children, bringing them back to mind.

The Communism memorial doesn't memorialize anything.

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OMG, there's also one in DC! How lovely and understated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims...unism_Memorial
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OMG, there's also one in DC! How lovely and understated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims...unism_Memorial
At least the Washington VoC Mem isn't a monstrous chunk of concrete sitting in front of their Supreme Court building, ten steps from their seat of government!
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OMG, there's also one in DC! How lovely and understated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims...unism_Memorial
That I would support! Anywhere but the Parliamentary precinct, of course.

Maybe Strathcona Park.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2015, 11:52 PM
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Canadian Institute of Planners joins chorus urging new site for communism memorial

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: March 3, 2015, Last Updated: March 3, 2015 4:15 PM EST


The national voice of Canada’s planning profession has joined those calling on the federal government to reconsider the site for the planned Memorial to the Victims of Communism.

In a statement, the 7,800-member Canadian Institute of Planners says the memorial’s proposed location on the “Capital Plateau” along Confederation Boulevard adjacent to the Supreme Court of Canada should be reserved for a new judicial building, such as the Federal Court of Canada.

Such a building “would complete a triad of buildings of national significance,” the institute’s statement says. “This would be in keeping with every plan that has been prepared by the National Capital Commission on behalf of all Canadians,” it adds, including the 1950 plan created by French urban planner Jacques Gréber.

The institute urges the federal government to work with the NCC and municipal governments “to identify a more appropriate location” for the memorial elsewhere in the National Capital Region.

The institute is just the latest group to voice its opposition to the site chosen for the victims of communism memorial. Here’s a sampling of what other opponents have said:

Royal Architectural Institute of Canada

“We believe this land should be reserved for a building whose purpose, quality and dignity are commensurate with its context.”

Ontario Association of Architects

Using the property for a memorial would “undo the effects of the long-term vision and plan and destroy the opportunity for a significant work of public architectural built form anticipated for this site.”

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson

The memorial “takes away from the beauty of the Supreme Court building, and I think it is a blight on that particular site.”

Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin


Some of the proposed memorial designs “could send the wrong message within the judicial precinct, unintentionally conveying a sense of bleakness and brutalism that is inconsistent with a space dedicated to the administration of justice.”

Ottawa Centre MP Paul Dewar

“In terms of the narrative of our history, is this what we want to have given prominence? I don’t think it’s appropriate to have it there.”

Architect and memorial jury member Shirley Blumberg

“It is so centrally placed that it would seem to quite overshadow Canada’s true history. I think it completely misrepresents and skews what Canada is all about.”

Architect Barry Padolsky

“Our national ‘acropolis’ deserves to be completed and embellished as proposed in our shared, homegrown vision.”

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Its funny, Im sure almost any other government, with this much opposition in its face from the electorate, would have moved the location by now.

This speaks to the steadfastness of the current government... not that that is a good thing.
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The folks at Tribute to Liberty should just volunteer to move it somewhere where it can actually be guaranteed a future. The fact that a building has been planned for the site for a hundred years can justify moving or removing it later.
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The folks at Tribute to Liberty should just volunteer to move it somewhere where it can actually be guaranteed a future. The fact that a building has been planned for the site for a hundred years can justify moving or removing it later.

It's getting an incredible amount of negative publicity and nobody seems to be talking at all about the victims of "communism". Time to move it.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2015, 12:15 AM
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Head of Estonian Central Council blasts Liberals for opposing site of victims of communism memorial

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: March 5, 2015, Last Updated: March 5, 2015 7:07 PM EST


The head of an organization representing Estonian-Canadians has accused the federal Liberals of “political gamesmanship” for opposing the chosen Wellington Street site for the Memorial to the Victims of Communism.

In an open letter Thursday to Liberal MPs Stéphane Dion, David McGuinty and Mauril Bélanger, Markus Hess, president of the Estonian Central Council in Canada, said members of his community took “deep offence” to their statements last week urging the federal government to relocate the memorial.

“By undermining this memorial with shallow, improvised rationalizations that sacrifice principle for insensitive political gamesmanship,” Hess scolded the MPs, “you diminish and devalue the victims’ contribution to Canada and disrespect their memory. This memorial deserves the appropriate, respectful and high-profile location chosen.”

Though he did not say so in his open letter, Hess is also listed as a member of the board of Tribute to Liberty, the charity raising funds for the memorial, on the organization’s website.

Hess’s intervention came as a spokesman for the Department of Canadian Heritage made it clear that the government is unwilling to reconsider the current site between the Supreme Court of Canada and Library and Archives Canada.

In an email response to Citizen questions about alternative sites, Tim Warmington, a media relations adviser with Canadian Heritage, said the memorial “will be prominently located on Confederation Boulevard beside the Supreme Court of Canada with views of the Peace Tower and other key federal institutions.

“A variety of sites were looked at, but this one was considered the most appropriate, given the proponent’s requirements, the theme and the proposed scope of the project,” Warmington said.

The choice of the Wellington Street site for the memorial has generated widespread opposition. Much of the criticism has focused on the fact that the property had been reserved for a new federal justice building to complete a long-planned “judicial triad” centred on the Supreme Court.

In his open letter, Hess – who made an unsuccessful bid for the Progressive Conservative nomination in the provincial riding of Kitchener-Conestoga in 2007 – called that a “contrived argument.

“Although you publicly profess to support the purpose of this memorial to the victims of communism,” he said, “by campaigning for the erection of an office building for civil servants in its stead, we can only conclude that you have a faint conviction in the principles and ideals upon which this memorial is being raised.”

Hess noted that close to one-quarter of all Canadians trace their heritage to people who fled communist regimes for sanctuary in Canada, including about 23,000 with Estonian roots. “Their story is our story, It reflects much of what makes us proud of our Canada and our history.”

With the rise of Vladimir Putin’s “Soviet-inspired military aggression, eradication and criminalization of factual history in Russia,” Hess said, it’s more important than ever to remember communism’s victims. The memorial will help ensure that future generations don’t forget “the horrors of communism” and how Canada welcomed those who suffered under it, he said.

“You should embrace its purpose and aid in its success, rather than engage in a process to delay, derail and diminish,” Hess told the Liberal MPs.

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Geez! The guy is a member of Tribute to Liberty... he also made a bid for the PC party in the last election... Can you say "politically motivated!?!"

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Just a thought...

Could the City of Ottawa refuse to issue a building permit for this memorial (in its current location?)

I think this issue is important enough that the City should stand its ground against the federal government on this one.
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And along those lines.... Who owns this property? Is it the NCC? Is it something that can be appealed at the OMB (even if the only initial result is that its delayed past the Federal Elections)?
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Geez! The guy is a member of Tribute to Liberty... he also made a bid for the PC party in the last election... Can you say "politically motivated!?!"

BRUTAL!
Why am I not surprise to read that there's political connections at work...
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Markus Hess should suck a lemon. I am pretty sure that a Federal Court is more important to people than a shitty monument to the wrong cause. It isnt just 'and office for Civil Servants' it is the cornerstone of our society. Law, Security and Justice for all, not a shitty monument for some.
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“Although you publicly profess to support the purpose of this memorial to the victims of communism,” he said, “by campaigning for the erection of an office building for civil servants in its stead, we can only conclude that you have a faint conviction in the principles and ideals upon which this memorial is being raised.”

The non-sequitor is awesome. Pro/Con for a given site is not Pro/Con for the actual memorial or the ideals involved.
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And along those lines.... Who owns this property? Is it the NCC? Is it something that can be appealed at the OMB (even if the only initial result is that its delayed past the Federal Elections)?
Perhaps the OMB will come in handy (for once)!?!?!
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These questions came up a few pages back, and it doesn't sound like anyone other than our illustrious overlord has final say on this.

Does ANYONE outside of the PMO/NCC (one in the same in this case) have ANY power to do ANYTHING at all about this??
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These questions came up a few pages back, and it doesn't sound like anyone other than our illustrious overlord has final say on this.

Does ANYONE outside of the PMO/NCC (one in the same in this case) have ANY power to do ANYTHING at all about this??
The people? We could have shifts sitting on the site until the Cons lose the election. It would be hard to build if there is a sit in. And even if the cops came to move people the backlash for actually starting it should make it near impossible to build.

So no, no way of preventing this.
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Does ANYONE outside of the PMO/NCC (one in the same in this case) have ANY power to do ANYTHING at all about this??
This is a tragic comedy of errors because of John Baird's puppeteering of the NCC while it was headless for a long while. They signed off on it so they can't retract at this point. Meanwhile the division that looks after commemorations and monuments was carted off to Heritage Canada which is under the direct control of the Harper Government. Let's just hope they drag their feet to the point that it is critically delayed. Hmmm, how does one go about selecting the right scene of devastation to put in those pixellated squares?

Apparently, they've scaled this thing down significantly, but in my opinion, if it has morphed drastically from the original, the design competition should be nullified and restarted all over. So many red flags were raised by the renderings: How is grass supposed to grow under those folds of concrete? There are walkways between the folds but none go directly on to the central plaza Even the massive bridge structure leads on to grass, I guess they expect the foot traffic to be so light that it won't wear down the lawn. These details give away the fact that this horrible design has absolutely no bearing on its context.

There's a point in a power trip when the big guy just wants to prove who's the bitch no matter what, even if the issue is obviously a piece of crap. We're there.
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