Cobalt Luxury Residences On King | 97.5 & 97.5m | 2 x 30 fl | Complete

[davidcappi]

Full sets of plans & other goodies available now at http://kingathughson.urbanshare.info/

[Chronamut]

those plans show it casting a HUGE shadow over gore park..

I do like the design though.. it's cool

[davidcappi]

In case anyone was curious, there are also some renders of the project sans heritage retention, which tbh I kind of prefer...

[GeneralLea]

Damn! That looks pretty nice! The half of the tower with more precast looks pretty reminiscent of a 60's modernist design. Solid podium and nice form. I'm happy for Hamilton, their really starting to grow.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by davidcappi

In case anyone was curious, there are also some renders of the project sans heritage retention, which tbh I kind of prefer...

*cringes* that's way too 80s looking for me...

[davidcappi]

those plans show it casting a HUGE shadow over gore park..

I would say it looks like it's shading a portion of the fountain area, at what I'm guessing would be early in the morning since the sun rises from the east. Methinks this will be a summer issue as the sun moves almost directly down the centre line of the park in the winter.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by davidcappi

I would say it looks like it's shading a portion of the fountain area, at what I'm guessing would be early in the morning since the sun rises from the east. Methinks this will be a summer issue as the sun moves almost directly down the centre line of the park in the winter.

lol "condo development indirectly causes the death of gore parks trees due to lack of sunlight"

[The Gore]

looks pretty awesome with original building in-tact

[matt602]

The heritage retention version looks miles better to me. We already have enough brutalist, brick clad junk here.

[davidcappi]

Not 100% but if you read this report, it sounds like it is more of a recreation than a restoration. They're replacing literally everything right down to the bricks... I don't know about you, but is it fair to call it a restoration?

From page 43:

The proposed conservation approach for this building is to re-construct the 2-storey
facade on King Street East and a portion of the 2-storey façade on Hughson Street
North. This approach is recommended because it will facilitate the new development
and retain heritage values that support the Gore Park Cultural Landscape. The existing
masonry cladding has structural steel embedded in it that will be redundant once the
interior is gutted and poses a challenge for retaining the existing masonry because it
will require removal or shoring. On the King Street Elevation, masonry on the ground
floor and in the area above where signage was originally installed, has been replaced
with various materials including clay speed tile and concrete backing for the Macotta
facings installed in 1948-50.


Retention of the original masonry would add considerable expense that is not
warranted in this case since the materials and details of the facades do not exhibit a
high degree of craftsmanship and can be easily reproduced with new materials without
significant loss of heritage value.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by davidcappi

Not 100% but if you read this report, it sounds like it is more of a recreation than a restoration. They're replacing literally everything right down to the bricks... I don't know about you, but is it fair to call it a restoration?

From page 43:

it's just yellow brick - not that hard to replicate - it's not like what is there is crazy complicated - and it's so dirty and been spraypainted and covered over so many times it's just easier to replace it all.

Al;so itll be nice to see it not grimy as eck

[King&James]

Hope this is the way they go - with some space for CHCH along King

image from ... https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...41213532852225

[realcity]

That is friggen awesome. It does look 60s mod, that's why it is called post-modern in this century. Something that Hamilton has missed out on until perhaps now.

And here we go about "shadows" even on a skyscraper site.

[realcity]

That would be pimp if Blanchard does the same thing across the street, with a 100m+.

[atnor]

The original building won't be demolished until after the summer.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by King&James

Hope this is the way they go - with some space for CHCH along King

image from ... https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...41213532852225

the new "muchmusic" of downtown hamilton

also one has to always take these renderings with a grain of salt:

a) if glass is blue in the render it's actually clear most of the time. Factor that look in.
b) if the features on it are white that's usually made from concrete and that will go brown over time. Factor that look in too - only exception is if they are jut out curtain wall white glass or some sort of cladding

you will end up with a building that looks more like this (sorry just threw together a quick recolour):


if they go with a darker tinted glass you can also expect it to look more like this:



also lol at the old woolworths building.. those windows are WAYYY off.

[Chronamut]

Originally Posted by realcity

That is friggen awesome. It does look 60s mod, that's why it is called post-modern in this century. Something that Hamilton has missed out on until perhaps now.

And here we go about "shadows" even on a skyscraper site.

Well one of the reasons buildings were kept relatively low in the downtown core was so that the park area didn't become permanently dark in the shadow of all those buildings.

[Hawrylyshyn]

Now we need someone that knows what they're doing to get these added to the database and diagrams for them

But honestly I don't mind these, I think it's a location for some height.

[davidcappi]

Well one of the reasons buildings were kept relatively low in the downtown core was so that the park area didn't become permanently dark in the shadow of all those buildings.

I am not entirely sure you understand how the sun moves over Hamilton at various times of the year.

[davidcappi]

http://williamthomas.urbanshare.info...2015-07-02.pdf

Here's the Sun Shadow study for William Thomas. I know this is taller, but I'm not convinced it will have any severe impacts on light in the park.