Winnipeg: Dugald Rd. - Plessis Rd. Interchange

[njaohnt]

Originally Posted by mattpa

my cousin is an engineer in mississauga and they did a project like plesis in 1 week actually so yes it can be done they removed all the dirt around the track because of the go train they left the strip just for the rail and they prebuilt everything and worked 24/7 on site so it was constuntly being built and it was still cheaper then plesis!

Do you have a link for website on this?

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by njaohnt

Do you have a link for website on this?

There is a thread on Urban Toronto about it but damned if I can find it.

[Danny D Oh]

Originally Posted by cllew

You are right, he is gone from Civic Politics as of the end of the current city council term.

Wyatt is such a tool. Pulls out on the Friday before the deadline to enter the election, which falls on Monday, to give other people a chance to run?

[cllew]

Didn't Steve Juba do the same thing to block Bernie Wolfe from running for Mayor for the first election for the combined City of Winnipeg?

[mattpa]

ya they did it in oakville they worked 24hours around the clock with go train running on the tracks

[northern_hoser]

Originally Posted by njaohnt

Do you have a link for website on this?

Not sure if this is the project in question, but it sounds like it.

http://www.rocktoroad.com/content/view/2510/

[mattpa]

thats the one

[njaohnt]

Why don't they do all underpasses like that?

[mattpa]

because winnipegs backward thinking

[bomberjet]

It was talked about it, nit sure how in depth it was looked into. Deemed to risky with all the utility shit doing on.

[cllew]

Was just on the City of Burlington web site for the project and it will be completely finished Sept 2014. It started in Oct 2010. Most of the remaining work is landscaping.

There were also all sorts of road closures involved in the project for various lengths of time before and after the underpass box was jacked into place.

It also looks like this was the first time this was tried in Canada and was only done because there was no room for the standard shoofly detour that is usually used in projects like this.

I have not been able to find a final total of costs to see if it came in near budget or if it went way over.

I was able to find though that CN was ordered by Canadian Transport Commission to pay 85% of the cost as they got the most benefit from the project. I don't think they are paying 85% in the Plessis Rd project.

[Riverman]

There was a similar project creating a rail/rail underpass to eliminate the West Toronto Diamond. Both lines were kept open during construction.

[njaohnt]

Originally Posted by cllew

Was just on the City of Burlington web site for the project and it will be completely finished Sept 2014. It started in Oct 2010. Most of the remaining work is landscaping.

There were also all sorts of road closures involved in the project for various lengths of time before and after the underpass box was jacked into place.

It also looks like this was the first time this was tried in Canada and was only done because there was no room for the standard shoofly detour that is usually used in projects like this.

I have not been able to find a final total of costs to see if it came in near budget or if it went way over.

I was able to find though that CN was ordered by Canadian Transport Commission to pay 85% of the cost as they got the most benefit from the project. I don't think they are paying 85% in the Plessis Rd project.

85%!!!!!!! Since when does CN pay for underpasses?

[cllew]

In Canada, cost apportionment (sharing) for grade separations is governed by the Canadian Transportation Association’s (CTA) Guidelines for Apportionment of Costs for Grade Separations. The CTA guidelines have five very general project categories, with corresponding cost apportionment percentages, as follows:

City Cost % CN Cost %
Exiting level crossing
City initiated (traffic volume, growth) need 85 15

CN initiated (rail volume growth) need
15 85
Equal growth
50 50
New crossing
City initiated
100 0
CN initiated
0 100

Note: cost apportionment applies only to the requirements of a basic grade separation which does not typically include for road widening, sidewalks, bicycle lanes or enhanced landscaping features.

Sorry but the table doesn't format properly but you get the drift

[njaohnt]

Originally Posted by cllew

In Canada, cost apportionment (sharing) for grade separations is governed by the Canadian Transportation Association’s (CTA) Guidelines for Apportionment of Costs for Grade Separations. The CTA guidelines have five very general project categories, with corresponding cost apportionment percentages, as follows:

City Cost % CN Cost %
Exiting level crossing
City initiated (traffic volume, growth) need 85 15

CN initiated (rail volume growth) need
15 85
Equal growth
50 50
New crossing
City initiated
100 0
CN initiated
0 100

Note: cost apportionment applies only to the requirements of a basic grade separation which does not typically include for road widening, sidewalks, bicycle lanes or enhanced landscaping features.

Sorry but the table doesn't format properly but you get the drift

So, if the city put limits on the number of trains that cross, CN would have to pay to build the underpass if they wanted to increase the number of trains?

[bomberjet]

CN is federal. The city bows to them, look at plessis.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by njaohnt

So, if the city put limits on the number of trains that cross,

The trains are running on their own property under federal regulation. The city has no say in what they do or where they go.

[njaohnt]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The trains are running on their own property under federal regulation. The city has no say in what they do or where they go.

Too bad.

[alittle1]

Yesterday, Borland laid some asphalt down on Dugald Road. If that isn't putting the cart before the horse, I don't know, what is. For the next 9 months, multi-yards of mud are going to be trucked out of the area, new gravel, concrete, and steel will be brought in, how much can 6 inches of blacktop support? Of course, this leaves Plessis S. unfinished and barricades still in place on both roadways, still looks like a cluster.....

Hard to find a place to stop and shoot a couple of pictures, it looks like it was planned that way by PCL and their 8 foot fences surrounding the CONSTRUCTION SITE?

CN Rail switcher engine was stopped for about an hour yesterday, the front platform of the engine had about a half a dozen 'bull-shit inspectors' inspecting the area construction, while work was being done on the track ahead at Plessis crossing (a guess).

[bomberjet]

The fence is to stop all the stupid fucks going into the site to take pictures or cut through. Or ask questions, or steal stuff. Seriously.