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Old Posted Apr 15, 2011, 12:50 AM
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Stopped by on my way home, the model looks great. Hope some of the forumers with a decent camera can attend and take some pics. I assure you the renders do not do the model justice, lots of nice details on the model. Remember these are the same guys behind West Pender Place which everyone seems to love.

Presentation is at 6:30, I'm going to try and make it back. Hope to see some of you there.
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Stopped by on my way home, the model looks great. Hope some of the forumers with a decent camera can attend and take some pics. I assure you the renders do not do the model justice, lots of nice details on the model. Remember these are the same guys behind West Pender Place which everyone seems to love.

Presentation is at 6:30, I'm going to try and make it back. Hope to see some of you there.

West Pender Place's cantilevered design is its only saving grace.

However much like Jameson House, the project is marred by an exposed concrete face.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2011, 4:59 AM
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Sorry I didn't see you at the meeting tonight, I was looking forward to your suggestions to the architects.

Anyways some of the items I can remember from the open house.

The towers are at a 19 degree angle which matches the Burrard st axis allowing the buildings to face the bridge and also orient the buildings for efficiency.

The amenity space is shared among the residential and commercial space with the commercial tower connecting over to the space via a bridge across the lane.

The office tower will have the upper portion of it's windows fritted to assist in energy efficiency while maintaining views, and include photosensors to turn off lightning if there is sufficient outside light.
Washrooms in the office tower will have windows which will allow natural light as well.

Office space along the podiums will have it's glass tilted outwards to minimize solar heat gain and have operatable windows which are tied into the HVAC.

Residential towers will include a lattice system constructed out of bright white concrete, the lattice will have a tighter patter at the bottom of the tower to increase privacy turning to a more open lattice at the top to increase views. It will also be load bearing.

The offset patios will also be in a bright white concrete.

The windows in the residential units will be able to be opened both at the top and at the bottom, allowing for additional air circulation.

Only ~50% of the tower will be exposed glass which allows the building to have a large ratio of highly insulation wall increasing energy efficiency.

The open house appeared supportive. No one criticized the design.

That's about all I could remember, looks like they are hoping for a rezoning this fall, leading to a possible start date ~year away dependent on sales.
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^ Thanks for the update jlousa.

I'm having trouble picturing what a highrise with a significant amount of bright white concrete will look like - is there anything like that around town (or elsewhere) for reference?
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I can not picture any in town nor anywhere else for that matter. Hopefully someone from here attended with a decent camera. The model will also be at the Fairmont next week, so there's another chance for forumers to see it.
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Hotel Van, see previous page for details.
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Ugh, it has to be tuesday, right when I am at work (and on the eve of my last final exam as well).

I hope someone goes there and snaps a couple pics. I think I am one of the few who actually kind of likes this building, especially the view from the south.
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Residential towers will include a lattice system constructed out of bright white concrete, the lattice will have a tighter patter at the bottom of the tower to increase privacy turning to a more open lattice at the top to increase views. It will also be load bearing.
This sounds like the most interesting part of the building - a bit of a "retro" element.

East Asiatic House (an office building) is probably closest to a lattice that we now have:

By Mag3737 on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mag3737/3705859091/

See also:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_buddha/4650539464/

The former Bank of Canada Building could also be considered a lattice too:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_buddha/3446985872/in/set-72157602944111300

Ironically, the 60s or 70s building that was torn down to build West Pender Place had a concrete lattice facade - here's DLeung's pic of it:

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Is "lattice" another word for ugly?
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Is "lattice" another word for ugly?

That's what worries me in this case, too.
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... and I thought I picked a pretty complimentary pic.....

It will define the character of the building becasue hard surfaces such as the concrete provide a more cohesive element in unifying the appearance of the facade than transparent glass would. I expect that from the ground, the facade could end up appearing like a "solid" wall - which could be overbearing, but it'll have a lot more character than an all glass facade.
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Thanks for the detailed account Jlousa. I'm going to be attending the special UDP meeting next Wednesday and I'll bring my camera. Hopefully the room will be configured in such a way that the public can get a good look at the model.

One thought that does intrigue me is whether the "white concrete" will be standard concrete painted white or a more quartz-rich concrete mixture that is actually, permanently white?
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... and I thought I picked a pretty complimentary pic.....

It will define the character of the building becasue hard surfaces such as the concrete provide a more cohesive element in unifying the appearance of the facade than transparent glass would. I expect that from the ground, the facade could end up appearing like a "solid" wall - which could be overbearing, but it'll have a lot more character than an all glass facade.

I agree with you about this building being fine with "lattticed" or "fluted" concrete. A big flat glass number would be overbearing.

However what I wonder about in the renders I've seen is rather the "skeleton" of the building. It has a cantilevered design element in the concrete frame, and one side it has a portion built out which occupies the larger mid-part of the back.

No problem with the concrete latticing and balconies then, but the building structure is questionable IMHO.
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Not sure why the COV went all the way to NYC and Toronto to get experts, they have so many one this board.
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Well, I think you would have to be a shit eater to know what shit tastes like.
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Welcome to the board, sorry I don't remember seeing you at the meeting last night, I look forward to meeting you at the next meet and hearing your insight.
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... It has a cantilevered design element in the concrete frame, and one side it has a portion built out which occupies the larger mid-part of the back.
The Hornby St. and Drake St. profiles of the tower are reminiscent of the Hotel Georgia Tower.

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One thought that does intrigue me is whether the "white concrete" will be standard concrete painted white or a more quartz-rich concrete mixture that is actually, permanently white?
Dare I say something akin to the composition of the white marble aggregate panels on Sears/Pacific Centre and Scotia Tower?
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2011, 5:56 AM
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I'm not sure how they intend to make a bright white concrete, neither I nor anyone there thought to ask. The impression I came away with do is that it was a specialty product (not just painted concrete). They did talk about master craftsmen hand-forming it possibly using metal formworks.
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http://www.cement.org/tech/faq_white_cement.asp

Less Iron, Magnesium
More Calcium, Silicon

Costs more, can also be dyed to greater effect than gray concrete. Hopefully the precast segments are polished just because I think it would look better.
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