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[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by UPP

And if alcohol was sold without a license it too would be shut down. So what's your point?

In fact, there are dangerous side effects to marijuana, if there weren't then I suppose some posters here wouldn't wait until after work to toke up.

It needs to be properly controlled and regulated. The Compassion Club was neither.

And before you and others flame on, I am neither old nor ignorant.

You have demonstrated literally nothing that would suggest you are not ignorant.

[SkydivePilot]

We all should have some sort of beer night. (If not provincially, at least locally.)

I'd be game for that.

( . . . . but we ought to keep the marijuana topic away from the conversation(s) though, lol!)

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by trueviking

New Flyer bought MotorCoach....big news for Winnipeg

Now the City will have to (re: SHOULD) start paying diesel mechanics here more. Attract everything bus industry to Winnipeg. Can't have all the ppl working at New Flyer and then not pay the people at Transit competitive wages. Further expand the partnership with RRC as well. Very good news.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by esquire

Here's one take on that very question... admittedly not entirely satisfying, but it sheds a lot of light on the issue.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...nd-undesirable

I don't really know anything about the oil industry, however the writer of this column (David A McLellan) is a career American oil industry executive who has an immense bias to the American oil industry, so I would take everything he says with a pound of salt.

Not saying he is lying or anything (as again, I'm no expert), but he clearly stands to benefit from not setting up more refineries in Canada.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Further expand the partnership with RRC as well.

The "partnership" with RRC involved government money passing through one more set of hands, some decals and a photo op. No work was done on the bus at RRC.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I don't really know anything about the oil industry, however the writer of this column (David A McLellan) is a career American oil industry executive who has an immense bias to the American oil industry, so I would take everything he says with a pound of salt.

Not saying he is lying or anything (as again, I'm no expert), but he clearly stands to benefit from not setting up more refineries in Canada.

Where would the refined product from these new refineries go? There is no room in the market for any more.

[UPP]

Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2

You have demonstrated literally nothing that would suggest you are not ignorant.

Incorrect use of literally. Just sayin...

[brithgob]

Please take it elsewhere folks.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Where would the refined product from these new refineries go? There is no room in the market for any more.

Again, not an expert, but all the unrefined oil eventually has to get refined. The states is our largest buyer, if we said you can either buy our refined oil or buy nothing, they would be in a pickle.

[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by UPP

Incorrect use of literally. Just sayin...

[UPP]

Originally Posted by Jabs

Instead of "side effects" you should have used "stereotypes".

All drugs have side effects. Are you suggesting that Marijuana has no side effects?

I think that a lot of people think that legalizing marijuana will mean a wide open anyone can sell and anyone can buy market. My guess is Trudeau will be more tempered by regulating it and taxing it; more in line with what is done with alcohol.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Again, not an expert, but all the unrefined oil eventually has to get refined. The states is our largest buyer, if we said you can either buy our refined oil or buy nothing, they would be in a pickle.

Business does not work that way. Except maybe in North Korea.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by UPP

All drugs have side effects. Are you suggesting that Marijuana has no side effects?

I think that a lot of people think that legalizing marijuana will mean a wide open anyone can sell and anyone can buy market. My guess is Trudeau will be more tempered by regulating it and taxing it; more in line with what is done with alcohol.

Absolutely. There is no other way. Prices would skyrocket, as we know with liquor.

[bomberjet]

Well I guess it depends on what places you look. From what i can see in Colorado, prices range from close to what we pay here on the "black market", to double the amount or more.

https://www.coloradopotguide.com/col...r-2015-update/

The various groups who currently sell will continue to do so. Could there be a price war between said groups and the government? That would be interesting. Anything coming out of the States on such topics?

[UPP]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

You have yet to list these "dangerous side effects". What are they?



What would the point of legalizing it be if they don't allow any adult to buy it? I guarantee the model Canada takes will be similar to Colorado's.

Well since you asked, how about increased heart rate, lower blood pressure, increased bleeding, altered blood sugar levels.

That took literally 10 seconds to find from multiple web sites. I'm sure you could have found it yourself.

[Dan0myte]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

You have yet to list these "dangerous side effects". What are they?

Specifically for adolescents.

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/

Use of marijuana under the age of 18 results in neuropsychological decline broadly across all domains of functioning, cognitive problems and a 6x higher probability of developing schizophrenia later in life. Also the cessation of cannabis use did not fully restore neuropsychological functioning, meaning it's permanently damaging.

But these side effects are covered by putting age restrictions on cannabis - similar to cigarettes and alcohol. I know that's not going to stop kids from smoking weed but keeping it illegal for that age group will at least be a deterrent.

[windypeg]

As far as pricing goes I think pot consumers will be more than willing to pay a markup in order to have something that is readily and conveniently available with no risk involved in the purchase.

Right now they have to spend several days texting their sketchbag dealer, once you get ahold of him there's no guarantee he's got any product because of his sketchy illegal supply chain, once he finally does have something to sell you you have to play texting tag again to arrange a meet-up that works for his schedule not yours, when you finally buy it you have no idea what it is or where it came from or if you got ripped off, and all the while you're doing something illegal which could carry consequences if caught.

Compare that to going to a dispensary at your own convenience, whenever you want, seeing product on the shelf and even information on the strain and source, being able to buy it right then and there through legal channels and be on your way. I think most people would pay extra for that level of service and this is already evident in other products. You can buy counterfeit smokes for way, way cheaper but you have to have a connection and go out and find them. So most people suck it up and pay more at the closest convenience store because it's just easier.

[bomberjet]

There's no way any of the gangs that are into dope, just go cold turkey on selling it because its legal.

Sorry, I gotta go. Maybe I can chime in again later.

[UPP]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Thanks guys, but I am already well educated in the side effects of marijuana. I was only asking UPP to see if he actually knew. Seeing as how he had to Google it, it only reaffirms my statement that he is ignorant and living in the stereotypes of the past. Increased bleeding? LOL. I have smoked weed on a weekly basis for a decade (and almost daily in recent years) and have not had any of these "dangerous" side effects you have listed. With eating good food and exercising regularly, I'm actually quite healthy physically according to my doctor. Try again UPP and maybe with some links to some peer reviewed scientific studies.

BTW, adolescent use of marijuana has gone down or stayed the same in US States with legal marijuana compared to more restrictive states so there isn't much point focusing on the side effects on adolescents in this context as we are talking about legalization for adults. Reference 1. Reference 2

I didn't have to google a damn thing, I've sat through probably 50 presentations by Rand Teed I could probably give the presentations myself. I figured you'd have a smart ass remark for that so I quickly checked a few sites on my phone for you. Your response is completely predictable. You asked for a response by me, I gave you one, then you go on to personally attack me and 'refute' what I searched by saying you smoke week all the time and are in great health.

Stereotypes of the past? You realize you're perpetuating the stereotypes.

Links to peer-reviewed scientific studies? Give your head a shake. Like I said, look it up yourself.

[UPP]

From the US National Library of Medicine (Just because I'm feeling generous today)

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...cle/001945.htm

How fast you feel the effects of marijuana depend on how you use it:
•If you breathe in marijuana smoke (such as from a joint or pipe), you may feel the effects within seconds to several minutes.
•If you eat foods containing the drug (such as "hash brownies,") you may feel the effects within 30 - 60 minutes.

Marijuana acts on your central nervous system. Low to moderate amounts of the drug may cause:
•Increased appetite ("the munchies")
•Feeling of joy (euphoria)
•Relaxed feeling
•Increased sensations of sight, hearing, and taste

Other effects can include:
•Feelings of panic
•Anxiety
•Excessive fear (paranoia)
•Decreased ability to perform tasks that require coordination (such as driving a car)
•Decreased interest in completing tasks
•Delirium
•Firmly held false beliefs (delusions)
•Seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations)
•Bloodshot eyes
•Increased heart rate and blood pressure
•Infections such as sinusitis, bronchitis, and asthma in heavy users
•Irritation of the airways causing narrowing or spasms
•Possibly weakening of the immune system
•Sore throat
•Trouble concentrating and paying attention, which can interfere with learning
•Trouble telling oneself from others
•Violence (may be related to marijuana that is laced with a drug called PCP)

Now, I think you're confusing me with some other type of person. For the record, never have I ever said outlaw or ban weed. I said it should be regulated and taxed because there are side effects to it, just like with any drug.