Western Expresso

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

Keep in mind the baby boomers now retiring in mass. Many of them move to bc and Ontario due to the climate. Personally I know a number of those. That is going to continue regardless of who is in power.

You have to break the outmigration stats down by age cohort and that data is difficult to get (essentially you have to look at various administrative databases such as drivers licences, Manitoba health file transfers etc). My own sense is that fewer YOUNG people are leaving Manitoba as of 2015 and that we are starting to see some returning to Manitoba.

I agree with your point about private investment in Manitoba being on the low side, although far from dismal. Our manufacturing base seems to be in good shape. Agriculture of course is up and down..

I think this is a fair analysis. The prairie provinces are well known for our cold winters, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that. It only makes sense for elderly people to want to retire in a warmer climate, although if it were me, no where in Canada would satisfy my expectations for "warmer weather"

Our economy isn't terrible, but it could be so much better, and more diverse. I too agree with needing more private investment. Our provincial government has done next to nothing to encourage the private sector to invest here, but has put the emphasis in public investment; too much so. It will cost us in the long run and is already doing so.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

Keep in mind the baby boomers now retiring in mass. Many of them move to bc and Ontario due to the climate. Personally I know a number of those. That is going to continue regardless of who is in power.

You have to break the outmigration stats down by age cohort and that data is difficult to get (essentially you have to look at various administrative databases such as drivers licences, Manitoba health file transfers etc). My own sense is that fewer YOUNG people are leaving Manitoba as of 2015 and that we are starting to see some returning to Manitoba.

I agree with your point about private investment in Manitoba being on the low side, although far from dismal. Our manufacturing base seems to be in good shape. Agriculture of course is up and down..

Originally Posted by Bdog

All First Nations people, or just those living on-reserve?

Just thought we should continue this conversation in the Western Expresso thread. It is an interesting conversation to be had

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by Pinus

Nice try, but no.

Well, it is becoming apparent you are like a child arguing with a parent. I will not indulge such a mindset.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

Keep in mind the baby boomers now retiring in mass. Many of them move to bc and Ontario due to the climate. Personally I know a number of those. That is going to continue regardless of who is in power.

You have to break the outmigration stats down by age cohort and that data is difficult to get (essentially you have to look at various administrative databases such as drivers licences, Manitoba health file transfers etc). My own sense is that fewer YOUNG people are leaving Manitoba as of 2015 and that we are starting to see some returning to Manitoba.

I agree with your point about private investment in Manitoba being on the low side, although far from dismal. Our manufacturing base seems to be in good shape. Agriculture of course is up and down..

Good point. I believe Alberta and BC were tied as the destinations of those who left last year. The BC number may consist mainly of those entering their retirement. It is troubling, however, that the number has risen over the last few years. The high number of homes in the resale market can also be contributed to the exodus. New home construction has to compete with that, which is not good. On the plus side, multi-family construction is up, which is great; the less single-family construction, the better IMO.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Bdog

All First Nations people, or just those living on-reserve?

That I don't know. I have only read it written as that.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

On the plus side, multi-family construction is up, which is great; the less single-family construction, the better IMO.

Single family homes provide the city with more tax revenue I believe.

[DLLB]

Originally Posted by Pinus

Please stop embarrassing the rest of us. This is an even bigger example of the lack of moderation in the Mansask forum that is desperately needed.

I agree completely. We are all westerners in the final analysis!

[Riverman]

Cool story for fans of 007.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/toronto...=1446917801320

[Tacheguy]

Originally Posted by Bdog

All First Nations people, or just those living on-reserve?

Just those living on reserve. Still a big number in Manitoba.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Single family homes provide the city with more tax revenue I believe.

Is it not the other way around?

[Riverman]

Haha, soooo perfect!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle27163301/

[Crisis]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Haha, soooo perfect!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle27163301/

No Kidding. The closing line accurately summarizes the situation:

Because we like your oil and we’ll keep buying it as long as you’ll send it to us – however you get it here.

Unfortunately, due to misguided "environmental" (in reality, political) issues, more and more oil will be shipped by rail and truck, resulting in more spills and real damage to the health of both people and our natural environment.

[steveosnyder]

Originally Posted by Crisis

No Kidding. The closing line accurately summarizes the situation:



Unfortunately, due to misguided "environmental" (in reality, political) issues, more and more oil will be shipped by rail and truck, resulting in more spills and real damage to the health of both people and our natural environment.

Phew, glad we didn't add XL to this or we would have been in trouble, environmentally speaking.

[bomberjet]

^Thank goodness! The children have been saved!

[bomberjet]

Here's a good chart from a couple years back on the state of oil spills. Rail vs. the rest basically. Volume spilt by rail is approx 1/3 of the spills by pipeline.



Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/oil-s...ansport-2013-7

Edit: Pardon me, that should be 2/3. 1/3 less spills by volume per billion gallons transported.

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

Yikes, someone is stuck in the past. How dare people try to get sick people easier access to products that help them live a better life. A product that is safer than tobacco, alcohol, and practically all other pain killers including Tylenol. A little off-topic but I couldn't resist.

Exactly! Any excuse to toke up. Look at the clientele from the news story out of Saskatoon. Lol!

[drew]

I should preface these questions with the admission I have no idea about anything in the Canadian oil industry, refining etc...

Is there some reason why Canada cannot or should not build more refining capacity?

Why can't we just keep the oil here, and refine it at or near the where it is extracted in Alberta?

Would it be a worthwhile infrastructure expenditure at a time the Feds have offered to open up the public purse?

[Riverman]

We already do that for Canada. There are refineries in every province except MB and PEI. We have plenty of refining capacity.

We can not export refined product in large quantities and make money as the cost of refining in Canada is much migher than in the USA. This is because the cost of doing business in Canada is higher and refining margins are small.

We do export small quantities of refined product from Gretna terminal into eastern North Dakota.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by drew

I should preface these questions with the admission I have no idea about anything in the Canadian oil industry, refining etc...

Is there some reason why Canada cannot or should not build more refining capacity?

Why can't we just keep the oil here, and refine it at or near the where it is extracted in Alberta?

Would it be a worthwhile infrastructure expenditure at a time the Feds have offered to open up the public purse?

Here's one take on that very question... admittedly not entirely satisfying, but it sheds a lot of light on the issue.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...nd-undesirable

[drew]

Originally Posted by esquire

Here's one take on that very question... admittedly not entirely satisfying, but it sheds a lot of light on the issue.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...nd-undesirable

Interesting. Thanks for the link.