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Old Posted Sep 14, 2011, 1:52 AM
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Or, to paraphrase: you don't want anyone responding in the NDP's defence after you bash them, because a serious stance of not desiring a debate would require you 'backspacing' all of that... and not saying anything to begin with.


These sore losers will get over it. Now it's your turn.
Reread my statement, I wasn't bashing the NDP at all... especially the provincial NDP. I think Dexter is doing a good job, and wrote it in my last post.

I have actually voted NDP in the past, but I'm not a huge fan of some specific members of the federal and provincial parties.

Jack Layton was the man and I like when an NDP government is pragmatic like the Dexter one.

Isn't it somewhat public knowledge of who many of the development opponents from the prov and fed gov'ts are? I don't know of any liberal or cons, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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The NDP has more than its share of wingnuts, and they tend to get lots of publicity. I am thinking of the likes of Kommissar Howard Epstein whipping the STV folks into a frenzy over this and other downtown development proposals.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 2:18 AM
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The NDP has more than its share of wingnuts, and they tend to get lots of publicity. I am thinking of the likes of Kommissar Howard Epstein whipping the STV folks into a frenzy over this and other downtown development proposals.
A few bad apples. But seriously, not to name anybody specific, but its pretty crazy when people won't even support their own party's projects and won't budge a bit on certain issues.
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The NDP has more than its share of wingnuts, and they tend to get lots of publicity. I am thinking of the likes of Kommissar Howard Epstein whipping the STV folks into a frenzy over this and other downtown development proposals.
This is right, and why Howard is not in cabinet.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 12:43 PM
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The NDP has more than its share of wingnuts, and they tend to get lots of publicity. I am thinking of the likes of Kommissar Howard Epstein whipping the STV folks into a frenzy over this and other downtown development proposals.
This is right, and why Howard is not in cabinet - he makes a great voice or devils advocate though.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2011, 7:47 PM
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I wonder when we'll hear news about this?
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I wonder when we'll hear news about this?
Soon, I expect. The end of September means the shipbuilding announcement--which I imagine will encourage a further reveal of developmental news.

I believe there are quite a few anticipative developers to see what Ottawa says before they pull their investment trigger.
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This is right, and why Howard is not in cabinet - he makes a great voice or devils advocate though.
Yeah if his advocatcy actually contrubuted to anything but usually doesn't.
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Truly a Haligonian use of a downtown block!

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That's great, I love it. Can you post that in the pictures of your city thread in the Canada Section?
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2011, 2:23 AM
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I'd love it more if it were a construction site.
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I'd love it more if it were a construction site.
Amen to that!
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I'd love it more if it were a construction site.
The summer will arrive soon enough. I don't think there will be a delay with getting a shovel into the ground for this project.
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The summer will arrive soon enough. I don't think there will be a delay with getting a shovel into the ground for this project.
I thought there was a 2 month deadline date for the developer to respond to the province on the status of the "private" porition of the development?
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2011, 12:22 PM
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Convention centre not done deal

By ROGER TAYLOR Business Columnist
Fri, Oct 14 - 7:57 AM

Everyone thinks the new Halifax convention centre is a fait accompli, don’t they?

Well, maybe not everybody, but since Nova Scotia’s representative in the federal cabinet, Defence Minister Peter MacKay, announced in August that Ottawa would be contributing to the new downtown convention facility, most of us have been waiting for construction to start on the two desolate city blocks earmarked for the project.

Apparently it isn’t that simple.

The federal government may be willing to contribute $51.4 million, slightly more than the $47 million initially requested, but that may not be enough to make up for the delay.

The idea of building a new convention centre started back in the spring of 2008. The province and city called on developers to submit proposals. A year later, both levels of government signed a memorandum of understanding to work together on the convention centre, which would be "open for business no later than Jan. 1, 2013."

By the fall of 2009, developer Rank Inc. had been chosen to submit a more detailed bid, which it did by the summer of 2010.

Rank’s idea was to make the convention centre one part of a $500-million project also to include a hotel, financial centre and retail complex on the former Halifax Herald lands.

Later in 2010, the province and city indicated their support for Rank’s proposal, and the province set about negotiating the details.

After that process, it was revealed that Rank had committed to covering any cost overruns during construction, and once the lease term was up, ownership of the convention centre would be handed over to the province.

The province and city officially endorsed the deal last December, to the tune of $56 million each, to be paid in the form of a capital lease over 25 years. The province then finally submitted a funding request to the federal government, which was to provide a lump-sum payment once construction was substantially completed.

Rank promised to build the convention centre at cost, and it guaranteed the price tag of $159 million until this past January to allow Ottawa time to evaluate the project. After it was obvious that the deadline would pass without a decision, Rank agreed to extend it until April. But that deadline also passed without a commitment from the federal government.

Then there was a federal election on May 2 and a change in ministers before MacKay finally made his funding announcement in August.

But by that time, Rank had already moved on to Plan B. The developer had been quietly promoting a phased-in office complex, with some elements of the larger proposal but without the convention centre.

While part of the problem may have been updating and nailing down price quotes from various contractors, a bigger issue has been negotiating with potential tenants for the financial centre. I’ve heard that some tenants were lost after the two deadlines were missed for funding the convention centre.

In many respects, developing the empty lots in phases would be less stressful for everyone, but having a convention centre in the heart of downtown would be more beneficial for the city in the long run than simply having another office building or two.

Will the convention centre be built?

It is still in Rank’s hands, and the developer indicated in August that it could take at least 60 days to commit to proceeding with the project.

Even if Rank decides to go ahead with the convention centre, the construction schedule has been set back considerably. It would now open sometime in 2015 — a far cry from the January 2013 opening the politicians had hoped for.

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2011, 12:48 PM
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Disappointing to say the least. Obviously Rank had more info than the rest of us did as far as a Federal boost goes. However, I can't blame him for actively promoting the plan B. I assume now he is trying to reestablish credibility with all the former investors and tenants who have seen promises fail a few times in the past. In the meantime though get some equipment in there and clean the site up some. It's obvious now that work isn't going to truly begin until possibly late 2012.
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Not surprising. A lot of people seem to have an oversimplified view of the situation -- government funding, then shovels in the ground a couple weeks later.

I do suspect that it will work out in the end due to the magnitude of money committed, but I stand by earlier comments about how the government derails a lot of stuff with its slowness and poor planning. Halifax seems to have about a dozen half-baked projects at any given point in time. I was kind of surprised how the city followed through with the library, but there's still the issue of the old building. The convention centre RFP and related delays have caused those blocks to sit empty for year. Plus there are the many lots that are just held or underused for whatever reason. And on top of that there's waffling on stuff like roadway improvements or streetscaping, so who knows what state a given part of the city will be in in the future?

No coincidence that some of the best parts of the city have been very "hands-off" as far as the government goes. Actually the biggest problem with Spring Garden Road is those parking lots that the city held on to for stupid reasons. They should have been sold off decades ago.

Aside from that it's also unfortunate that there's so much focus on office downtown. Rank's plan B is office? Why? There's Waterside Centre, the shelved IP plan (must be office!), Queen's Landing or whatever it's called, etc. There isn't demand for all this office space, and even if it were all built it wouldn't improve the downtown much. Apartments and some condo development could happen profitably right now and would have a big impact.
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Disappointing to say the least. Obviously Rank had more info than the rest of us did as far as a Federal boost goes. However, I can't blame him for actively promoting the plan B. I assume now he is trying to reestablish credibility with all the former investors and tenants who have seen promises fail a few times in the past. In the meantime though get some equipment in there and clean the site up some. It's obvious now that work isn't going to truly begin until possibly late 2012.
Who knows how "firm" those tenants were in the first place. It's easy to say you have large financial companys lined up and ready to bring high-paying jobs to Halifax when you're trying to get an approval, it's quite another to deliver. Hopefully it'll still come together since this project does a whole lot less if it's just moving space around in the Downtown amongst the existing bunch.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2011, 10:22 PM
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I didn't see anything new in Roger Taylor's story today. I remember reading all the information stated in today's story stated previously by Joe Ramia 2 months ago. It seems as though Roger Taylor was expecting for shovels to be in the ground by now when in reality most people thought 2 months would be too short a time to line up commitments.
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2011, 1:29 AM
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Some news from this project. The CC was almost not going to happen. Plan "B" was in the works without the CC , but the gov. ( not sure which one ) wanted this project to proceed and make it work. So now there is some size changes (to the CC rooms) and maybe some to the building. Hopefully we will hear something in the coming weeks, that this will be a go.
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