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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 8:06 PM
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5849 Sunset Blvd, Hollywood

Thank you Tourmaline for the reminders of the Iris/Eldorado/St Moritz.

E_r found a photo from the 70s when I knew it as the St Moritz. He also posted a postcard with a couple of interior shots.

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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 9:16 PM
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Can a columned building with history be worth saving?




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The building, located at 5939 Sunset Boulevard, was built in 1924 and started out as a luxury car showroom, the Peerless Motor Company. In 1934, the building was used as offices for radio station KNX, which remained until 1938. After that, it was turned it into Max Reinhardt Studio Workshop, which provided space to workshop stage productions and a school providing acting and radio classes. KMPC, which began in 1927, moved into the space in 1944 from it offices in Beverly Hills. In 1944 the station moved to 5939 Sunset Boulevard and finally in 1968 to 5858 Sunset Boulevard (today home to KTLA). In 1976 the building became home to the Old Spaghetti Factory restaurant. KMPC's final broadcast was in 1997. The call letters now belong to Radio Korea, an all Korean radio station. The building was razed in 2012 to make way for the 22-story Sunset/Gordon Tower. In response to protests from citizens wanting to have the building preserved, the developer partially recreated the original facade. After opening in 2014, a judge issued a ruling invalidating the construction permits, saying city officials improperly allowed the developer to demolish the building.
1943 - 5939 Sunset Boulevard
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00106/00106070.jpg






1944 - 5939 Sunset Boulevard
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00106/00106071.jpg




http://paradiseleased.files.wordpres...pg?w=640&h=412





Columns on a carb diet.

Could you really eat mizithra cheese inside an authentic trolley in The Old Spaghetti Factory on Sunset Blvd.? http://www.osf.com/mizithra/



Spaghetti with mizithra cheese
http://www.you-are-here.com/sunset/spaghetti.jpg



Ask for the special WigWag menu?
http://s3-media1.fl.yelpassets.com/b...nUIYkh-Q/l.jpg



The charm of a chain link fence does not portend better service and larger portions.

http://beverlypress.com/wp-content/u...ttiFactory.gif

http://s3-media4.fl.yelpassets.com/b...dvf1Ez-w/o.jpg

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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 9:31 PM
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Brother can you spare a nickel? (What about a tip)


1939 - 806 E. 5th Street, Ernie's. (Reservations recommended)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068906.jpg




Undated, probably not Ernie's.
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics47/00073310.jpg


~1937-8
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102395.jpg




http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos.../youlikeit.jpg




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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 10:09 PM
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 10:31 PM
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Before eating at just any greasy spoon, try something more fluid?


A cure for the squeaks?



1928 - Whittier Blvd., Montebello "Oil Can" restaurant

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/69518/rec/74
















A structure made to last and last?

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/69518/rec/74
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 11:09 PM
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Wig-Wag Menu

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Could you really eat mizithra cheese inside an authentic trolley in The Old Spaghetti Factory on Sunset Blvd.? http://www.osf.com/mizithra/



Spaghetti with mizithra cheese
http://www.you-are-here.com/sunset/spaghetti.jpg

Ask for the special WigWag menu?
http://s3-media1.fl.yelpassets.com/b...nUIYkh-Q/l.jpg

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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 11:15 PM
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Spring and Temple, 1957. The LA Times Building, old State Building, old Hall of Records, retaining wall of the old County Courthouse with temporary courthouse bungalows on the site and Hall of Justice building.

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If prohibition is good . . . so are hills.


Spring Street '39 (Bring back prohibition?)
http://derangedlacrimes.com/wp-conte..._HOJJ_1939.jpg

1930 (?) Spring Street

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../7102/rec/1701







GO-STOP (Should I stay or should I go now?)






Megadirt (Will anyone miss it?)

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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 11:23 PM
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The developer did recreate the best version of the building Godzilla, with the window grills and doric columns. The leggy corinthian columns and missing facia were not attractive.

The gentle, shallow steps up to the broad porch gave a nice sense of arrival (not quite Gill's Torrance P.E. Station, but pleasant none the less) and the trusswork of the ceiling was excellent.

Sometimes these partial saves and recreations work, sometimes not.

I'm interested to know what the judge based the decision on. The destruction of the Oswald Bartlett house, for example, was a foregone conclusion, a case of blatant political cronyism. I'm sort of fascinated that anyone's been called, however late in the day, on anything.


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Old Posted Mar 28, 2015, 12:28 AM
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Tovangar2, Preserving the best part of a facade is what might be said about preserved Disneyland facades. I never attached much artistic merit to the Sunset structure but I always wondered about the columns. The homage is better than a memorial placard. I remember visiting the building when it was a restaurant. I was not well versed in the building's history but knowing a little about the area, it was obvious to this layperson that the building had historical significance. Sadly, I could not tell authentic from set dressing. The table wait was so long that our hosts took us to Victoria Station at Universal City, another "quasi-authentic" theme restaurant/bar. Wonder if anything proceeded that structure. Neither Carl Laemmle nor Victoria Regina were available for comment.





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It seems that Walter Leimert thought that with all the new bridges over the the LA River, people would start moving east of Main Street, evening out the westward population trend. Apparently after only a few years he gave up on that idea and opened Leimert Park to the southwest, providing a resting place of sorts for Our Lady of Noir. I knew Mr. Leimert was a major developer, but never knew his full story, which is well-told here:

http://www.kcet.org/socal/departures...mert-park.html











https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rtparksign.jpg


Is the chow reason enough?



1930 - P.K. Sandwiches - 4406 Crenshaw Blvd. (Near Vernon Ave.)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../17030/rec/209






Looks like the area was fairly developed when PK was serving sandwiches. Wonder if any of the nearby structures are still there. It looks like the address is currently occupied by another fast-food restaurant.










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Old Posted Mar 28, 2015, 1:17 AM
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Thx for the reply Tourmaline, but, LOL, I'm not sure I had a point. I missed that part.

I recall fhammon saying he'd welcome back Lugo House in a minute. I probably would too. It makes a big difference, I think, if a recreation or save is at the original site.

Here's an "Historic Site" placard (this one for the old Greek Orthodox Church on San Julian). A car must have backed into it a few years ago. It's still at a crazy angle over the sidewalk. Dunno who decides what gets memorialized.


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Old Posted Mar 28, 2015, 1:27 AM
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More of Architect Wayne McAllister's handiwork.

Wich Stand (Figueroa and Florence/Slausen and Overhill
LATimes.com

http://www.google.com

http://victualling.files.wordpress.c...wichstand2.jpg

Wich Stand's Broom Room.
http://www.synthetrix.com




4508 W. Slauson or some other location?



1934 A 'Wich Stand, but which one?

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../61273/rec/459




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../61273/rec/459
























Pretty Brewery. 1810-1848 North Main Street. Gone by '42
http://michaelbrannan.smugmug.com/Hi...ng_co_01-L.jpg


1936 Balboa in Can
http://beercanencyclopedia.home.comc...mages/a143.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img855/1428/a...newhighord.jpg http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14378

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Old Posted Mar 28, 2015, 2:44 AM
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I don't think they are the same building. The newer building that ER posted is a much smaller scale structure. The people in the old building are tiny compared to the new building.
The new building is somewhat reminiscent of the old one.....but different.

Yes, that crosswalk is like the British Union Jack flag.

It's definitely the same building at the SE corner of Raymond/Colorado, just that everything above the 2nd floor was lopped off. It probably happened when Colorado was widened in 1929. Many, if not most of the buildings on Colorado were given new facades or greatly simplified at this time. Also every building lost a bit of square footage because of the widening. Not sure if that explains the difference in scale but it certainly explains why the window patterns don't match up perfectly.

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1940 - 6290 Hollywood Blvd., "Noir" Owl Drugs.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../87422/rec/743








Please let Sir Walter Raleigh out.




Peggie Moran






http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../87422/rec/743














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Unknown location (Should I stay or should I go?)
http://streets.mn/wp-content/uploads..._b-336x500.jpg
I see the Sentous Block on the left and what I think is the Sepulveda House on the right (or was that the next block over, and that's just a similar building with the upstairs square bay window and red shingles?).
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...and Xavier Cugat on the right.



Thx e_r for the PC of the 50-room home of Chicagoan John Durand, built from 1902-1905 of the finest materials, including red sandstone from Flagstaff. It's one of Frederick Roehrig's. He also designed the Rindge home in the West Adams district, the Neff/McNally estate in La Mirada, the Grace home (& water tower) and Hotel Green/Castle Green in Pasadena, all discussed here, plus many others including several others on Pasadena's Millionaires Row. After John Durand III died in 1960, the contents were sold and the home cleared in favor of the 710 freeway, which was thwarted. After 40 years as a vacant lot, three acres of the original ten became Arlington Gardens at Arlington Drive and S Pasadena Ave. The passive park includes a nice planting of Cherokee roses to echo the famous hedge which stretched the length of the Durand's Arlington Drive property line:


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The house is rather reminiscent, I think, of John Parkinson's smaller, 35-room Susana Machado Bernard Residence, of the same 'fantasy baronial' era, if you recall that one:

ryerson and burnham archives/art institute of chicago


ebay via e_r
my file

Another shot of the Durand house I had in my files. The address I had in the filename was 275 Arlington Drive, btw. It certainly does bear quite a resemblance to the Bernard house! One thing I've noticed about Roerhig's work, he loved those big, round corner towers and would frequently go out of his way to really emphasize them. By comparison, the towers on Parkinson's design are somewhat understated (emphasis on the phrase 'by comparison' ).
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Westlake/Pico-Union



Thx Tetsu! It's nice being on the Durand's lawn. I feel like I'm about to do some trick or treating :-)

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Looking again at e_r's posts on Curlett and Beelman's 1926 Mayflower Hotel on 7th & Witmer and 1905's fairytale La Parrilla on Witmer and Wilshire caused me to googlemobile around there a bit.

I keep a close watch on the 1901 house at 1314 Wilshire (two doors west of La Parrilla), as I've said before. I can't think of another Victorian home on Wilshire (with a Wilshire Special no less). I'm unaccountably fond of it. I'm convinced it looks Flemish or maybe Swedish (?) Only Wadsworth Chapel in WLA, built in 1900, can lay claim to being an older survivor on Wilshire:

gsv

The Orange Heights home, by then a rooming house, lost its front lawn and porch to street widening in 1932. It also had to be moved back 30":



ladbs

South of the Mayflower Hotel there's block-long Linwood Avenue (between Columbia and Hartford) that's got a nice set of houses on it of the 1895-1915 era, plus some newer infill. The big one on the left was built in 1895. Great views of DTLA (& the back of the L-shaped Mayflower Hotel):

gsv

The Westlake and Pico-Union neighborhoods went up quite quickly, once they got going. Farmland turned into gracious middle-class suburbs where the norm was to have several children and a live-in, plus a man to look after the horses. The hammering to put together these big frame homes must have been constant, one can almost hear the echos. (It's been said BTW that stripping so many trees out of the San Gabriels for LA housing added greatly to LA's flooding problem).

This handsome 1895 effort is just around the corner at 762 Columbia. Lots of brackets. Romanesque Revival in wood. It shares an alley with the ACLU on 8th:

gsv

The one on the left is one of the later original ones, built in 1915, at 1316 Linwood. The next one along is 1903 at No. 1322. Someone got the next one over for $135K in 2000 (I've got all the hot RE tips if you happen to be a time-traveler):

gsv

749 Columbia (1900), at the top of the block, is condemned:

gsv

I have a slim hope that the city will make a commitment to save the Westlake/Pico-Union turn-of-the-twentieth-century houses, by giving landlords a break for basic maintenance, rehab and landscaping. They really do make great multi-family homes (two of my kids rent rooms in big, old Pico-Union houses). However, less than ten years ago, these places went for $250K or less. Now, on the whole, they seem to be in the $650K-$950K range, which I'm guessing is land value. They'll probably vanish as quickly as they appeared.

Well, I never. Would you just look at that
https://www.google.com/maps/place/74...4d-118.2696322

A couple of real estate sites on 749 Columbia. A bit of a 'before & after'

https://www.redfin.com/CA/Los-Angele...7/home/6932877

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7...20625122_zpid/

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LAT July 25, 1926


Here's hoping that as the city continues to regenerate, with development moving out from downtown for a second time, the vintage buildings in these old "West Side" suburbs will benefit if they're not too far gone.

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Lake Street looking north from 12th-- as gsjansen described this shot in a 2010 post, "the unpaved...street is noticeably lacking in dead dogs, traffic jams, drunks, hookers and psychopaths." While it sounds like he might be referring to the area's current conditions, he was making a reference to a strange and great 1964 movie that came out just as the area was falling apart and that caught the angst of the '60s early on.... Cornelia Hilyard lived in the first house on the right: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2027
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Nothing says 'noirish' more than a 1930s/40s auto court.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-B-W-...item3f27942b7d

I hope we can figure out the address of this 30 cabin auto court. -with showers
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Found this postcard, with an address (4562 No. Figueroa), on Flickr...http://www.flickr.com/photos/zilf/128565399/lightbox/
A color look at the Alexandria Auto Court.
NB. This is not the same postcard as the one that Moxie linked to.



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The Motel Mid-Town at 730 South Alvarado Street.



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I've posted several '50s and '60s postcards of motels recently, and most have still been standing. Sadly, that's not the case here. Looking at Historic Aerials, the motel seems to have been replaced between 1989 and 1994. Here's what you'll find there today - the Alvarado Plaza.


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Alvarado Plaza is...how do I say this?........UGLY.


I found an additional, and better, photograph of the Helicab taking off from the roof of the Statler Hotel downtown, 1962.



In this version, the sun is shining...the Hotel St. Paul rooftop sign is visible...you can see Nanette Fabray laughing in the cab ...and you can see the front of the Union Oil Center at right.



For comparison, here's the first version I posted a few weeks ago.

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I just noticed you can see the Union Oil Center at far right under the tail blades.---->

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