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Old Posted Jul 23, 2008, 11:34 PM
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these are really cool check them out
but where in Mobile would you wanna see one of these

From which development did you get these images? (I assume it's out of state, but just curious).

As to where I would locate a waterpark of that size... Might be nice and convenient just across the bay in Daphne taking out "Hamburger Hill", but the parking would be ridiculous. I suppose the best option would then be somewhere south of town if you wanted to put it on the bayfront like the first picture showed. If you were to locate it inland, maybe replacing "The Festival Centre" on Airport just west of I-65 or near where I-10 & I65 converge.


btw, anyone heard anything on the long-proposed Mobile-to-Mussel Shoals Interstate?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 12:01 AM
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Thanks for the link Bogue... I love statistics. They also don't take into account the possibility of adding counties to the metro, so the quite probable addition of 1-2 counties would add even more population. Of course, Airbus would increase that growth...
You're welcome, I do also.

The area's supposed to already have an economic growth rate of 55% for the next 5 years (think that was stated in January in the Press-Register)... & I'm pretty certain that's w/o the EADS contract figured into the mix. Washington County currently has around 18K in it & George (where the West Mobile suburbs are starting to sprawl out into) has around 19K or so. Those are the two most likely by most standards to be included in the near future, though I could see Jackson County (Pascagoula, which sits JUST the other side of the state line from Mobile and also includes suburbs of Mobile like Hurley) being included in the not-too-distant-future.

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 5:32 AM
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www.waterventures.com

thats where i got the images of the water parks
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 1:51 PM
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Did anyone post this? I did not see it when I was skimming...
Planners propose ideas for downtown
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
By JILLIAN KRAMER and KATHY JUMPER Staff Reporters
It seems Mobilians are demanding a Whole Foods store.
After more than 100 residents, business owners, workers and councilmen met Tuesday evening with city-hired urban planners to discuss the future of downtown Mobile, it was clear they were convinced the area could be home to the organic food giant.
"If nothing else, we expect you to get us a Whole Foods," Carol Hunter, the Downtown Mobile Alliance communications director, said to the crowd and planners, who yelled and whistled wildly
in response.
Led by EDSA associate principal urban planner Keith Weaver, the meeting at the Alabama School of Math and Science focused on initial plans to transform 9.9 square miles of Mobile into a more livable, workable area.
Share the waterfront with the Alabama state docks; create a downtown office district on Water Street; turn the old Hickory Street Landfill into a sports academy and park; revamp the Mobile Civic Center into a mixed-use entertainment complex; relocate the overpass leading to the Interstate 10 Wallace Tunnel; and place a Whole Foods store at the corner of Spring Hill Avenue and Broad Street. These are some of ideas the urban planners, from Baltimore, Md., are suggesting — and residents are thinking over.
Residents at the meeting expressed excitement over renovations to the civic center, and making the waterfront more accessible and roadways more bicycle-friendly. But they're also concerned that development along Water Street and its waterways could disrupt the city's industrial growth and that any changes to the civic center would interfere with Mardi Gras celebrations.
Their ideas and concerns were addressed Tuesday.The planners also held public meetings in March and they expect to return in October, according to Weaver. Their work will cost the city about $400,000, officials have said.
Dubbed "A New Plan for Old Mobile" the revision of the city's 12-year-old master plan covers an area bordered on the east by the Mobile River, the south by Interstate 10 and Duval Street, the west by Houston Street and the north by Three Mile Creek and the neighborhoods north of Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue.
"After the March meetings, we researched and documented the trends. Now we're saying, 'Here's what we think you can do,'" said Russell Archambault of RKG Associates in Alexandria, Va., who is looking at economic issues in the plan.
An emphasis, according to the planners, is taking advantage of the city's water view.
"You are a water city with no access to the water," Archambault said. "The uses along there create a barrier to the water."
"It doesn't have to be an either-or situation — either have the riverfront as an entertainment area or as the docks," said Jesse Wiles, president of APD in Atlanta, a consultant handling housing and historic issues. But, he added, "The potential for growth downtown and tourism is hampered" by lack of waterfront access.
One idea is to develop what they called Dauphin Landing at the end of Dauphin Street, an area now occupied by the state docks. Planners envision an expansion of the Arthur Outlaw Convention Center, a waterfront hotel and mixed-use commercial area.
Archambault said planners understand the importance of the docks to the economy and the jobs it creates.
"We just want to get closer to the waterfront," he said.
The new master plan will offer urban design, historic, housing and economic goals for the targeted area, which was divided into three zones — zone 1, the downtown core and waterfront area; zone 2, Midtown North neighborhoods; and zone 3, Midtown South neighborhoods.
Deteriorating and neglected houses in zones 2 and 3 need to be renovated to reflect the area's history and culture, according to Wiles. "One thing that makes Mobile most attractive is the approach it takes to restoring its existing housing stock," he said.
The master plan would attempt to steer commercial businesses off Government Street to areas such as the intersection of Broad Street and Spring Hill Avenue and the downtown core. It suggests an office building district along Water Street.
The plan does not envision the city footing the bill. For example, any plan to redo the Civic Center would depend on how much money a developer brings to the table, Weaver said.
"It will not be the public sector that develops the area, but the private sector," Wiles said.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 1:55 PM
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yea 1K=1000 ; 1M=1,000,000 and 1T=1,000,000,000

The abbreviations comes from the Greek suffixes. What is your system based on Tim? It had me bewildered also.
Well, in my profession we use the old Roman system, sorry. Using this system has become habit for me. I have provided you a link to read, thanks.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/60697.html
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 2:45 PM
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Thanks for the article.

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"You are a water city with no access to the water," Archambault said... "We just want to get closer to the waterfront."
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Share the waterfront with the Alabama state docks; create a downtown office district on Water Street; turn the old Hickory Street Landfill into a sports academy and park; revamp the Mobile Civic Center into a mixed-use entertainment complex; relocate the overpass leading to the Interstate 10 Wallace Tunnel; and place a Whole Foods store at the corner of Spring Hill Avenue and Broad Street...

The plan does not envision the city footing the bill. For example, any plan to redo the Civic Center would depend on how much money a developer brings to the table, Weaver said.
"It will not be the public sector that develops the area, but the private sector," Wiles said.
Another sports academy like the one in Daphne ?
That's the oddest of the lot.

While it might be the private sector that ultimately fills in the area, the notion that the city can wave a magic wand and just wait for all these goodies to appear without having to foot any of the bill is hard to believe.
If Whole Foods wants in downtown Mobile so much that they don't need incentives, they'd already be in. Even then, I don't expect they'd consider it unless it was part of some larger framework that includes a significant upscale residential component.
Without a significant public investment component, public "plans" for private "investment" don't have teeth.
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Once the economy begins to expand, new ventures will become possible. The city will be able to do more of the things it WANTS to see done ITSELF.
It's just going to be awhile
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 3:13 PM
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I would like to see a park like Chicago has in there city. A amusement park that is.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 4:40 PM
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I would also like to see more billboard advertisements in the Business District.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 5:47 PM
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Tim where would you suggest they put Bilboard's
the only place i could think of, is on top of buildings
like in New York and New Orleans
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Thanks for the article.



Exactly ...



Another sports academy like the one in Daphne ?
That's the oddest of the lot.

While it might be the private sector that ultimately fills in the area, the notion that the city can wave a magic wand and just wait for all these goodies to appear without having to foot any of the bill is hard to believe.
If Whole Foods wants in downtown Mobile so much that they don't need incentives, they'd already be in. Even then, I don't expect they'd consider it unless it was part of some larger framework that includes a significant upscale residential component.
Without a significant public investment component, public "plans" for private "investment" don't have teeth.
I thought the downtown residential components are upscale ?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2008, 6:34 PM
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From which development did you get these images? (I assume it's out of state, but just curious).

As to where I would locate a waterpark of that size... Might be nice and convenient just across the bay in Daphne taking out "Hamburger Hill", but the parking would be ridiculous. I suppose the best option would then be somewhere south of town if you wanted to put it on the bayfront like the first picture showed. If you were to locate it inland, maybe replacing "The Festival Centre" on Airport just west of I-65 or near where I-10 & I65 converge.


btw, anyone heard anything on the long-proposed Mobile-to-Mussel Shoals Interstate?


That could work in Mobile not to big are small .
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I thought the downtown residential components are upscale ?
There are some, but downtown Mobile could stand a lot more.
I don't know how many people live near the Whole Foods in downtown Austin, for instance, but that's the sort of residential climate that can support a store like that.
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If there's a Whole Foods that is placed at Springhill and Broad, you would see people coming from the eastern historic districts to shop as well.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2008, 12:22 AM
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I'm having a hard time picturing a Whole Foods at the intersection of Broad and Spring Hill. The general area is just too slummy/ghetto fabulous at the moment. Now, Broad and Gov't, in the form of that Sav-A-Lot grocery store, that would be a better location for an upscale, possibly neighborhood- rejuvenating supermarket. The proposed site could even engulf a couple of blocks surrounding the store itself and add a parking structure and supporting retail.

As for billboards in Downtown itself: No. Just. No.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2008, 12:55 AM
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I'm having a hard time picturing a Whole Foods at the intersection of Broad and Spring Hill. The general area is just too slummy/ghetto fabulous at the moment.
lol - think outside that box, NitekKetin! I've heard there is a big traffic count down Springhill going east at rush hour, so presumably they're all headed over the bay.

I'm laughing at the slummy comment - didn't they try to put the food stamp office or something in a little island in or near that intersection a few years back? It was a disaster, there was nowhere for people to stand in line before they opened and it was a car vs. child accident waiting to happen...I think it only stayed there for a month or so. So, from food stamps to Whole Foods! Watch our City Grow!

Seriously, I think we can all petition Whole Foods over the internet tubes all we want, and these planning folks can boldly speak its name into the microphone at the public meetings, but until the demographic density they want builds here, they ain't coming.

Billboards - I agree absolutely. Maybe gorgeous hand-painted murals on buildings that incorporate some kind of advertisement. But NO billboards, and certainly no digital billboards. Those things take ugly and intrusive to a whole new level.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2008, 1:14 AM
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Billboards downtown? Do you mean like Times Square? That would be completely ridiculous. Let's try to get some BUILDINGS and ATTRACTIONS down there before we put up a bunch of billboards. What developer is going to want to locate downtown if he/she may get bombarded with advertisements?

As for the water park fantasy pictured above... this kind of thing will never EVER be placed directly in the middle of the city. That is ludicrous. Replacing the Festival Center with one? An attraction like this is better left to being developed just outside of the city, maybe near the new race track complex or in west Mobile.

The developing consultants have got it right as far as waterfront access goes. FINALLY someone gets through to our local government about this. Hopefully the Bay park will be a step in the right direction.

A Whole Foods or even a decent grocery store is a great addition to downtown, and is way overdue. Hopefully, public transit and/or sidewalks can be adjusted so that area residential units will benefit, and eventually attract more residents to downtown with the added amenity.
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That could work in Mobile not to big are small .
Considering it works like a charm in Decatur. Mobile could definitely handle it.
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More good news for Broad - the Red Cross is moving their headquarters with a helpful infusion of money from Kuwait. "The agency's existing headquarters at Dauphin and Broad streets will be put on the market, according to Elizabeth Saunders, a Red Cross spokeswoman."
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More good news for Broad - the Red Cross is moving their headquarters with a helpful infusion of money from Kuwait. "The agency's existing headquarters at Dauphin and Broad streets will be put on the market, according to Elizabeth Saunders, a Red Cross spokeswoman."

I've been waiting for this to happen!!!!
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