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Old Posted Sep 15, 2022, 12:53 AM
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13 shot in Washington Park yesterday. If this was anywhere else it would have made national news, but it didn't fit the "narrative"

The first thing people think of when you ask them about chicago is crime. No other world class city has this designation. And please stop comparing Chicago to crime ridden dumps like Detroit and Baltimore. "cHiCaGo iS sAfEr tHaN rOcKfoRd aNd DeTrOiT" um, okay? Is Chicago safer than its actual peers? NY? LA? DC? Boston? SF? Seattle? Miami? No. Those cities dont have "40 shot, 10 killed" as weekly headlines

Having a new leader who will crack down on criminals and stop coddling them will go along way for Chicago's public image. Also would be nice if voters stop voting in the same crooks like Foxx. How did she get reelected?
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2022, 2:18 AM
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13 shot in Washington Park yesterday. If this was anywhere else it would have made national news, but it didn't fit the "narrative"

The first thing people think of when you ask them about chicago is crime. No other world class city has this designation. And please stop comparing Chicago to crime ridden dumps like Detroit and Baltimore. "cHiCaGo iS sAfEr tHaN rOcKfoRd aNd DeTrOiT" um, okay? Is Chicago safer than its actual peers? NY? LA? DC? Boston? SF? Seattle? Miami? No. Those cities dont have "40 shot, 10 killed" as weekly headlines
I mean, I agree with your overall point. But bringing up DC into that? LOL. I don't think you realize what the violent crime rates in DC even are if you think it's as low as the others. And some of the other cities like San Francisco have almost as high of robbery rates as Chicago right now.

12 people shot in DC on 8/24:
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/at-least...lent-day-in-dc


Murder rate so far in 2022
DC: 21.75 per 100K
Chicago: 17.44 per 100K

Robbery rate so far in 2022
Oakland: 426.6 per 100K
Portland: 244.8 per 100K
DC: 211.3 per 100K
Chicago: 209.88 per 100K
San Francisco: 187 per 100K
Houston: 186.5 per 100K (thru 7/31)
Seattle: 168.8 per 100K (thru 8/31)
Los Angeles: 164.3 per 100K
NYC: 137.4 per 100K

Chicago's rate thru 8/31 was 197.6 per 100K which is not a ton above Seattle's. Thru 7/31 the rate in Chicago was 169.8 per 100K which was lower than Houston's at the time. The west coast cities all have a pretty high robbery rates. Even Salt Lake City has a robbery rate that is similar to Los Angeles. And Portland's robbery rate as of 1.5 months ago was higher than Chicago's is today.

Carjacking rate so far in 2022
Oakland: 91 per 100K
Washington DC: 49.3 per 100K
Chicago: 42.5 per 100K

Not sure what SF is for carjacking, but I guarantee it is not low. These 2 bay area cities have a major problem with car thefts and robberies.


Again, I agree with your overall point. But don't bring up DC into any conversation about cities with lower violent crime rates. Because it simply does not have a lower violent crime rate for pretty much anything than Chicago.
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13 shot in Washington Park yesterday. If this was anywhere else it would have made national news, but it didn't fit the "narrative"

The first thing people think of when you ask them about chicago is crime. No other world class city has this designation. And please stop comparing Chicago to crime ridden dumps like Detroit and Baltimore. "cHiCaGo iS sAfEr tHaN rOcKfoRd aNd DeTrOiT" um, okay? Is Chicago safer than its actual peers? NY? LA? DC? Boston? SF? Seattle? Miami? No. Those cities dont have "40 shot, 10 killed" as weekly headlines

Having a new leader who will crack down on criminals and stop coddling them will go along way for Chicago's public image. Also would be nice if voters stop voting in the same crooks like Foxx. How did she get reelected?
Relax man, Chicago has had a reputation for crime since like 1840. It's not going away no matter what the actual crime rate is, Chicago has just always been the perfect boogeyman for performative moralists and reactionaries. The good news is the city has grown and progressed despite that reputation before, and it will again. Those headlines appeal to a certain type of person that is unlikely to move to Chicago anyway.

The best thing to do if you're a resident is block out the hysteria created by irresponsible media types and politicians. Let Darren Bailey scream into the void about the imaginary purge on the city's streets while we go about our days living in a wonderful lakeside city full of world class amenities. Vote to make the city better for residents, not to make the city look better to people in Xenia, IL. People who seek to understand the world beyond their doorsteps will continue visit and move to the city as long as it is enjoyable to do so.
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People's impressions of Lightfoot have little to do with her actual policies; LL and KF are NOT on the same page... (not that I think LL is an effective politician. Too bad...I did vote for her over TP but TP is clearly more competent.).
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One thing I find ironic... the biggest "hellhole" in Illinois is practically in Bailey's backyard (Cairo). Though if someone would photoshop the Gates of Hell (Darvaza) onto the Spire pit, that would be pretty funny.
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Sorry, but CPS is losing about 10,000 students a year now. Why would we continue to maintain the same number of schools with that type of enrollment drop?

Rahm was 100% correct in losing schools. We need to close more. CPS budget has not shrank as enrollment drops, it's grown and per student spending is up big. We shouldn't waste money on maintaining buildings that are 50%+ empty.
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Sorry, but CPS is losing about 10,000 students a year now. Why would we continue to maintain the same number of schools with that type of enrollment drop?

Rahm was 100% correct in losing schools. We need to close more. CPS budget has not shrank as enrollment drops, it's grown and per student spending is up big. We shouldn't waste money on maintaining buildings that are 50%+ empty.
This is true, I wanted to reply but I posted too much from the article so you can read it here in the link


https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/...s-f-wirepoints


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It also mentioned that out "Of CPS’ 478 stand-alone 'traditional' or non-charter, non-contract schools, one third of them, 150, are less than half-full, according to CPS.” The most empty schools, according to Wirepoints, are those that are barely 5% to 25% full and have poor educational performance on a statewide level. Despite the poor attendance figures, the Chicago Teachers Union has justified keeping the schools open.

“It’s why taxpayers should demand real school choice in the form of vouchers," Wirepoints reported. "Take Manley High School. It’s a glaring example of just how far CPS and CTU are willing to go. The school’s capacity? 1,296 students. The number of students now? Just 64 – 4.9% of available seats. Douglas High School? Capacity 888. Seats filled? 44. Uplift High School has a capacity of 720 seats but only 55, or 7.6 percent, are filled. The list goes on.”

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It would be nice to hear more coherent plans backed by data of how to reduce various types of crimes. For example, I think Arne Duncan's proposal that a combination of intervention/mentoring + more detectives and better police/community engagement is the best way to decrease violent shootings and increase murder clearance rates. Is this being implemented? Technology like license plate readers have seemed to bring down the number of freeway/LSD shootings. Can these be used more extensively throughout the city?

What are some ways to reduce robberies, carjackings, etc, especially at night? What's the plan for not having police overworked and fully staffed? What's the plan for improving the relationship between police and communities throughout the city? How can business leaders support violence interruption, mentoring programs, and street outreach?

Who is leading on public safety? Seems like it should be an all hands on deck situation but leadership is lacking

Also, I think the South/West initiatives are great but it's been two years and very little updates or sense of urgency of getting these projects started. We keep hearing about this renewed focus and investment in neighborhoods but there's really not much to show for it.

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It would be nice to hear more coherent plans backed by data of how to reduce various types of crimes. For example, I think Arne Duncan's proposal that a combination of intervention/mentoring + more detectives and better police/community engagement is the best way to decrease violent shootings and increase murder clearance rates. Is this being implemented? Technology like license plate readers have seemed to bring down the number of freeway/LSD shootings. Can these be used more extensively throughout the city?

What are some ways to reduce robberies, carjackings, etc, especially at night? What's the plan for not having police overworked and fully staffed? What's the plan for improving the relationship between police and communities throughout the city? How can business leaders support violence interruption, mentoring programs, and street outreach?

Who is leading on public safety? Seems like it should be an all hands on deck situation but leadership is lacking

Also, I think the South/West initiatives are great but it's been two years and very little updates or sense of urgency of getting these projects started. We keep hearing about this renewed focus and investment in neighborhoods but there's really not much to show for it.
I was posting about why its so hard to fix and how it will get worse due to the upcoming SAFE-T Act 1/1/23. But the link was too long. So I will share these videos. This will only make things worse, Not more safe.

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murders in chicago (while still atrociously and shamefully high, as they've been for the past 6 decades now) are down 16% so far this year.

and as per marothisu's informative posts, lots of other crime indicators in the city are also down this year.

so why iteration #87 of "the great chicago crime conniption fit" right now at this particular moment in time?






ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's right, the dipshit from downstate is down 18 points with less than two months to go!

desperado..... why don't you come to your senses
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Remember folks, ONLY Chicago/Illinois politics are allowed here.

Anyone even mentioning national/presidential politics in here will have their post deleted.
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I was posting about why its so hard to fix and how it will get worse due to the upcoming SAFE-T Act 1/1/23. But the link was too long. So I will share these videos. This will only make things worse, Not more safe.

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You are taking this conversation down the usual ("this is going to destroy Chicago")rabbit hole. This conversation is headed towards deletion, and please don't believe most of the shit reported on tv.
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A lot of discussion of real or perceived crime in this thread. My original post was about the McD CEO jobs move to Chicago and his comments about it that was covered locally, nationally, and internationally.

Posters are texting how to improve overall crime even if it is going down because that the impression of crime or reporting of it we get. Social Media is a driver but the perception is still there. This is not political for me. I offered some suggestion's on the matter but it was removed.

I would like a show of hands that think the SAFE-T Act will do anything to improve this.

Who is for the SAFE-T Act? And if so how it will improve overall crime levels and citizen safety and Chicago's image to help retain and bring in outsiders to relocate.
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This is not political for me.
Bullshit.

You're spreading the very same lies and misinformation about the SAFE-T act that GOP operatives in this state want tools like you to spread precisely for political purposes in the upcoming elections.

And with that, it's probably high time for you to crawl back into the CE toilet where you can drink liberal tears to your heart's content.
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Who is for the SAFE-T Act? And if so how it will improve overall crime levels and citizen safety and Chicago's image to help retain and bring in outsiders to relocate.
I'm not going to say which side i'm on, but if you want to bring this up here then go on what's in the actual bill and not some misinformed info pics or video clips from a suburban mayor or downstate police chief who clearly didn't read the bill.


There is no such thing as a "non-detainable" felony contrary to what this info pic being shared around says. The bill literally talks about the opposite and any of those crimes can result in someone being detained through their trial (i.e. "no bail" today). Anybody who is deemed to be a danger to the community, or a person, or is a big enough flight risk can be held through their trial per this bill for a whole slew of crimes. In fact, a bunch of crimes were added to the list where you could be detained pretrial that weren't even there before - a lot to do with discharge of firearms. This is the same as today in that an SA, with enough evidence, can ask a judge to hold someone "no bail." Let's look at the actual bill okay?

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...Sess=&Session=

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(c) Detention only shall be imposed when it is determined that the defendant poses a specific, real and present threat to a person, or has a high likelihood of willful flight.
This is the same idea as "no bail" today - an SA has to ask a judge to hold someone no bail because they pose a threat to the public and/or they are a big flight risk to skip out on their trial and potential justice. This still exists in SAFE-T.


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Sec. 110-4. Pretrial release
(a) All persons charged with an offense shall be eligible for pretrial release before conviction. Pretrial release may only be denied when a person is charged with an offense listed in Section 110-6.1 or when the defendant has a high likelihood of willful flight, and after the court has held a hearing under Section 110-6.1.

https://ilga.gov/legislation/101/HB/...3653sam002.htm
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Upon verified petition by the State, the court shall hold a hearing and may deny a defendant pretrial release only if:
(1) the defendant who is charged with a forcible felony offense for which a sentence of imprisonment, without probation, periodic imprisonment or conditional discharge, is required by law upon conviction, and it is alleged that the defendant’s pretrial release poses a specific, real and present threat to any person or the community.

(2) the defendant is charged with stalking or aggravated stalking and it is alleged that the defendant's pre-trial release poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of a victim of the alleged offense, and denial of release is necessary to prevent fulfillment of the threat upon which the charge is based;

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(4) the defendant is charged with domestic battery or aggravated domestic battery under Section 12-3.2 or 12-3.3 of the Criminal Code of 2012 and it is alleged that the defendant's pretrial release poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of any person or persons;

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(6) the defendant is charged with any of these violations under the Criminal Code of 2012 and it is alleged that the defendant's pretrial releases poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of any specifically identifiable person or persons:
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Numbers 2, 4, and 6 are new. I didn't list out point 6 in entirety but it lists aggravated discharge of a firearm, unlawful sale/delivery of firearms, unlawful purchase of a firearm, etc. Now people who are charged with stalking or domestic battery can be held thru their trial whereas before they couldn't be. And discharge of a firearm too. NONE of that was "detainable" previously and now will be. They actually expanded the scope of what can be asked for to hold someone thru their trial to include even unlawful discharge of a firearm. And what does Illinois say is a "forcible felony?"
https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...=072000050K2-8

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Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.


Literally these images that are being shared on the above crimes are the exact opposite of what the bill says. The bill says that anyone who commits a forcible felony can be denied pretrial release by a judge if the person "poses a specific, real and present threat to any person or the community"



People need to read the damn bill instead of thinking what they're being fed in the media is actually correct on this. The whole bill is meant to clear up jails for people on lower level offenses and focus on keeping those charged with violent crimes with good enough evidence detained through their trials. And the scope expands to even be able to ask to detain people who are charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm, something that's not even covered today by this. This is doing the opposite of what a lot of people even realize for the violent crime aspect. Again, people need to read the damn bill instead of listening to some video clips or some BS image shared on social media.
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I am a fan of Buckner and I really like his plans so far, especially for public transportation. I am so tired of Lightfoot and need her to go.
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I'm ignorant/late to the party, what is the SAFE-T act?
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People need to read the damn bill instead of thinking what they're being fed in the media is actually correct on this. The whole bill is meant to clear up jails for people on lower level offenses and focus on keeping those charged with violent crimes with good enough evidence detained through their trials. And the scope expands to even be able to ask to detain people who are charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm, something that's not even covered today by this. This is doing the opposite of what a lot of people even realize for the violent crime aspect. Again, people need to read the damn bill instead of listening to some video clips or some BS image shared on social media.
^ Why should I believe what the bill says when I can believe what other people told me to

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I am a fan of Buckner and I really like his plans so far, especially for public transportation. I am so tired of Lightfoot and need her to go.
I had a chat with Buckner and he genuinely loves Chicago and wants to see all parts of the city reach its potential. It's refreshing seeing a candidate who takes initiative and proposes solutions to problems (CTA, infrastructure, TOD, crime), rather than the Vallas or Lopez type of candidates that use fear mongering to attract voters
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Here's an AP article talking about how this is all false:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-382998524238

The SA from Will County states about the "specific, identifiable" person to determine safety. However, there are other sections and clauses talking about detainment that don't say this. They just talk about "the community" or "any persons" (or "a person") instead.
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https://www.chicagobusiness.com/juic...rty-tax-relief

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Mayoral hopeful State Rep. Kam Buckner is out with his plan for schools. It features:
  • Spending increases on pre-K programs.
  • Placing at least one nurse, one librarian and one social worker in every school.
  • Expanded vocational programming for kids who do not want to go to college.
  • And a closer partnership with Chicago City Colleges.

Buckner is an ally of the Chicago Teachers Union and many of his proposals parallel positions the union has taken. For his plan to work, CPS will need an additional $436 million a year from the state, but Buckner said he's working on that.
I could get onboard with this plan, but you can't do it without consolidating the schools under 25% capacity. The compromise is fewer schools, with more resources in each school. It's an actual win-win for students and taxpayers. I don't see the CTU agreeing to something so reasonable.

The longer I live here, the more I realize both the CTU and CPD are the true impediments to improving quality-of-life.
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