Winnipeg - Of Interest

[esquire]

^ Extremely even-handed, cyro. They taught you well at mod school

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

Where do you get that crap nonsense from? Both my kids (grade 4&6) are in French Immersion and both have 1 (sometimes 2) teachers aid in the class to deal with high needs kids. drives me nuts, but I understand inclusion. you guys are living in a dream world if you think French immersion is like a private school.

Maybe things have changed now but it used to be that students needing the extra help were either sent to English only program, or if French was their primary language to a Francis school. That would leave the French Immersion programs targeting English as a first language students with no special needs students. Perhaps due to the expansion of Francis and that lack of availability in all parts of the province some students with special needs who would normally be in Francis are being placed in French Immersion.

[Tacheguy]

Riverman raises some good points about outcomes but, in my opinion, misdiagnoses the cause. The last time I looked at the numbers Manitoba and Saskatchewan had about three times the proportion of aboriginal people than Canada as a whole. Any provincial government is going to be challenged by this in terms of relative societal outcomes. When Manitoba does poorly compared to Saskatchewan on health or education then that gets my attention. By the way Canada does have race-based stats one could argue. The best example of this is the labour force survey. Unemployment stats do not include people on reserves. Why? Who knows..

This is important because it moves people towards an appropriate discussion of how to move forward. Land claims? Separate aboriginal school boards? Self government? Urban reserves? I am not in love with the ndp by any means (they are too captured by public sector unions for my liking), but they seem to be at least open to innovate on some of the aboriginal policy issues.

There is also the view that growth in Manitoba is "just government". Now this is just wilful distortion. The private sector in Manitoba is doing just fine relatively speaking. Just talk to them or read the business news.

The public/private distinction is largely bullshit anyways when comparing across regions. The differences can be relective of policy choices regarding the delivery of public goods and services rather than underlying performance dynamics. Three examples come to mind..hydro, car insurance, and booze; three growth areas in Manitoba. If you want to instantly encrease the proportion of people working in the private sector rather than public sector then privatize these crown corps, as has been done in some other provinces. Similarly, bring in policies that favour private sector delivery of education and health services. Private sector employment and investment stats would look fantastic! These are legitimate options of course, but the discussion would have to be much more comprehensive before making those moves. The goals are to have good the best services at the lowest cost, not some preferred statistical profile.

[rkspec]

Study Finds Downtown Winnipeg Booming

http://www.cjob.com/2015/11/24/study...nipeg-booming/

[Cyro]

^

The University of Winnipeg conducted a study that shows rapid development and a population boom that isn’t expected to end. The Institute of Urban Studies says the last 10 years has seen 2.4-billion dollars in investment as over one hundred new projects have taken root....

Con't @ http://www.cjob.com/2015/11/24/study...nipeg-booming/

The downtown population increase in the study is a welcome indicator of a turn around in a once almost stagnant area, almost double the pop. base, can be viewed as a a reasonable indicator that the core is moving in a positive direction. 10 year sample with the majority of that taking place in the last 4-5 years.

[Urban recluse]

Downtown Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver are booming; downtown Winnipeg is improving. Big difference.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Downtown Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver are booming; downtown Winnipeg is improving. Big difference.

So what? Every city is different and progresses individually. Deadmonton was dead for decades until the last 6 years or so, only because of oil. No oil and you would still have Deadmonton. Still do in certain aspects from what I've seen in my recent travels there.

[Urban recluse]

And without the massive government spending, and very little private investment, Winnipeg would be?

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

There is also the view that growth in Manitoba is "just government". Now this is just wilful distortion. The private sector in Manitoba is doing just fine relatively speaking. Just talk to them or read the business news.

Wrong. The private sector is not growing but the public is. This has been constant for at least two years since I started looking.

Damn facts eh?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...abr66h-eng.htm

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

Unemployment stats do not include people on reserves. Why? Who knows.

The stats only reflect those actively looking for work.

[Tacheguy]

Originally Posted by Riverman

Wrong. The private sector is not growing but the public is. This has been constant for at least two years since I started looking.

Damn facts eh?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...abr66h-eng.htm

keep looking.

according to the lmi section of Manitoba.ca:

between 2009 and 2013 (a more meaningful period of time) private employment increased 5.6% in Manitoba while public employment decreased by .2 percent. sorry that doesn't suit your narrative

[Urban recluse]

^^Oh, you mean "facts" fabricated by the NDP?

http://archive.fcpp.org/posts/manito...-public-sector

[Tacheguy]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

^^Oh, you mean "facts" fabricated by the NDP?

http://archive.fcpp.org/posts/manito...-public-sector

the Labour Force Survey is run by the NDP?

I knew they were taking over things. better to stick with the Frontier Institute

[drew]

From I can infer from these stats...

Between 1870 and 2015, the Manitoba economy has created 170,000 public sector jobs together with 384,200 private sector jobs.

"The robust economy of Manitoba continues to impress, adding over 2 private sector jobs for every public sector job created" drew, 2015.

[Urban recluse]

Manitoba still has the second highest number of government employees per capita.

[Tacheguy]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Manitoba still has the second highest number of government employees per capita.

If you are looking at the work by peter holle then you are including municipal employees. That is where the bigger problem lies. To take one example, look at how many cops we have per hundred thousand people.

[vid]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The stats only reflect those actively looking for work.

What exactly are you saying, here?

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by Tacheguy

sorry that doesn't suit your narrative

Exactly

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by vid

What exactly are you saying, here?

Save it, Vid. We all know you are instigating.

[Authentic_City]

For those who are interested, Stats Canada will let you play around with labour force data (Table 282-0089).

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...eng&id=2820089

I changed the time frame from one year, to 10 years: Oct. 2005 to Oct. 2015. I did a few calculations to see the 10 year change in the labour force and here's what I found:

Interestingly, the proportion of the Manitoba labour force employed by the private sector has remained almost unchanged: 60.3% in 2005 vs. 59.9% in 2015.

The public sector added 28,800 jobs in this period while the private sector added 36,800 job over this period.

Overall, the MB labour force grew by 11.4%, or 68,500 jobs in this period.

I'm no demographer or economist, but this seems like fairly even and steady growth across the board.