CHICAGO: ORD & MDW discussion - Page 131

Centropolis · #**2601** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 3:19 PM**

Also, seems like STL is becoming MDW "overflow" for southwest, which i think would be a good thing for both STL and MDW. MDW seems like the kind of airport that should only be serving Chicago.

Steely Dan · #**2602** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 4:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Centropolis

Also, seems like STL is becoming MDW "overflow" for southwest, which i think would be a good thing for both STL and MDW. MDW seems like the kind of airport that should only be serving Chicago.

yep.

this has been predicted for awhile, but it's now in full swing.

MDW is more or less maxed-out capacity wise. for southwest to grow and move more people through the midwest, those passengers will have to transfer at another airport, and STL, with tons of excess capacity, a supremely centralized location, and a decent O&D market in its own right, makes the most sense.

STL growth in boardings over the past 5 years:

2014: 6,108,758
2015: 6,239,231
2016: 6,793,076
2017: 7,372,805
2018: 7,822,274

the vast bulk of that growth has been on the back of southwest expansion.

k1052 · #**2603** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 5:12 PM**

El Al coming back to ORD.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...service-israel

Steely Dan · #**2604** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 5:30 PM**

^ nice!

ever since they left last decade, israel has been a big hole in ORD's non-stop flight inventory.

i mean, cities like boston, DC, and SF have tel aviv, so global ORD absolutely should as well.

Centropolis · #**2605** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

yep.

this has been predicted for awhile, but it's now in full swing.

MDW is more or less maxed-out capacity wise. for southwest to grow and move more people through the midwest, those passengers will have to transfer at another airport, and STL, with tons of excess capacity, a supremely centralized location, and a decent O&D market in its own right, makes the most sense.

STL growth in boardings over the past 5 years:

2014: 6,108,758
2015: 6,239,231
2016: 6,793,076
2017: 7,372,805
2018: 7,822,274

the vast bulk of that growth has been on the back of southwest expansion.

yeah, we have a hardly used, accidentally built still basically new 9,000 foot runway that doesn't cross any other runways with an expressway tunnel under it sitting there like FEED ME! MDW gets a little tricky with the short, crossed runways in inclement weather. we'll feed everything we can internationally into ORD and give us ALL the overflow how about that.

Steely Dan · #**2606** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 7:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Centropolis

we have a hardly used, accidentally built still basically new 9,000 foot runway that doesn't cross any other runways with an expressway tunnel under it sitting there like FEED ME!

yeah, and there's a large fully-abandoned suburban neighborhood at the end of that mostly unused runway. some bad timing with that one.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Br...!4d-90.4115057

N830MH · #**2607** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ nice!

ever since they left last decade, israel has been a big hole in ORD's non-stop flight inventory.

i mean, cities like boston, DC, and SF have tel aviv, so global ORD absolutely should as well.

Yes, they already flies MIA, LAX, EWR, BOS, JFK to Tel Aviv flights. They all 787 Dreamliner. Not sure when they will starts. I think sometime in Spring or Summer 2020 during at that time.

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Originally Posted by k1052

El Al coming back to ORD.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...service-israel

Nice! I'm glad they came back to O'Hare again. It's been over decade now.

wwmiv · #**2608** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

yeah, and there's a large fully-abandoned suburban neighborhood at the end of that mostly unused runway. some bad timing with that one.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Br...!4d-90.4115057

Is it abandoned or were there even ever houses there in the first place?

trvlr70 · #**2609** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ nice!

ever since they left last decade, israel has been a big hole in ORD's non-stop flight inventory.

i mean, cities like boston, DC, and SF have tel aviv, so global ORD absolutely should as well.

Chicago is now even more well connected. I wonder what our "hole" is now? Sydney, Singapore, Oslo or Johannesburg. Or, perhaps the return of Milan, Berlin and Moscow.

Steely Dan · #**2610** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:35 PM**

^ all of those would be solid pick-ups.

sydney might have the most cachet, if for no other reason than to claim non-stop service to all 6 inhabited continents.

i'd also really like to see buenos aires return as well.

Tom In Chicago · #**2611** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

sydney might have the most cache, if for no other reason than to claim non-stop service to all 6 inhabited continents.

Aren't we getting a direct flight with Air New Zealand to Aukland?

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Steely Dan · #**2612** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 8:48 PM**

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Aren't we getting a direct flight with Air New Zealand to Aukland?

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already have it.

but NZ is not the Australia mainland.

there were rumblings last year of Qantas starting ORD to Brisbane, but i don't know where that currently stands.

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Is it abandoned or were there even ever houses there in the first place?

yes, it was once a full-fledged suburban subdivision with ~2,000 houses. now all that remains are the streets.

Kngkyle · #**2613** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 11:20 PM**

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already have it.

but NZ is not the Australia mainland.

there were rumblings last year of Qantas starting ORD to Brisbane, but i don't know where that currently stands.

It's just a matter of when, not if. They have 6 more 787-9s deliveries coming towards the end of 2019 and early 2020. Two of them are almost certainly earmarked for Chicago, as they've all but confirmed. Granted things can change in a year.

N830MH · #**2614** Posted **Mar 19, 2019, 11:59 PM**

Hi all,

El Al will start flight TLV-ORD in March 2020. 3x per week service.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...319-story.html

https://www.flychicago.com/business/...S3_a7Z7Wsg4Mv0

Hopefully this route should be done very well.

Chicagoguy · #**2615** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 8:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by trvlr70

Chicago is now even more well connected. I wonder what our "hole" is now? Sydney, Singapore, Oslo or Johannesburg. Or, perhaps the return of Milan, Berlin and Moscow.

I would love to see a direct flight to Berlin. I am hopeful that once Berlin's new airport finally *fingers crossed* opens we will see a new direct route to ORD. United already flies to FRA and MUC from Chicago, so I could see them considering the additional service to BER.

k1052 · #**2616** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 12:37 PM**

T5 expansion finally having a groundbreaking, been wondering what's been holding this up since they were projected to start last year.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...507398821.html

Officials to Break Ground on O'Hare Airport's Terminal 5 Expansion

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Chicago and airline officials will break ground on an upgrade and expansion of O'Hare International Airport's Terminal 5 on Wednesday.

Aiming to complete the upgrade by 2021, this phase of the massive, multibillion-dollar plan to expand the entire airport will add 10 new gates at Terminal 5.

It will increase the space of the 25-year-old terminal by about 350,000 square feet, city officials said in a statement, allowing for new passenger amenities, airline lounges, concession spaces and more.

woodrow · #**2617** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 2:57 PM**

So, to me the most interesting line above was "...increase the space of the 25-year-old terminal..." - Wait, WHAT?!?! No no no, that can't be right. Not 25 years old. Not a quarter of a century. I was living in Chicago when they built the terminal. It must be newer than that....sigh....I am an old.

Also, it makes sense that I never understood why people talk about upgrading and enlarging Terminal 5. In my distorted view, how could such a new terminal need upgrading.

italy5150 · #**2618** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 3:02 PM**

Rendering of what the T5 expansion will look like, per the Sun-Times and the Chicago Department of Aviation:

the urban politician · #**2619** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 3:07 PM**

^ Damn! That's an improvement.

If I'm correct, T5 will no longer be the international terminal, but will be heavily used by Delta, right?

k1052 · #**2620** Posted **Mar 20, 2019, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Damn! That's an improvement.

If I'm correct, T5 will no longer be the international terminal, but will be heavily used by Delta, right?

ORD will have two when the new T2-Global Terminal is done. Delta/Sky Team plus independents at T5. AA/Oneworld and UA/Star Alliance at new T2 with new CBP facility there to serve them. It also looks like the sterile corridors will extend in the tunnel to the new T1 satellite concourses potentially opening a large number of gates for UA/Star Alliance to use for international service.