LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled

[dhottawa729]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Yes, not bad! (Therme Bucuresti, Romania)
https://i.imgur.com/lEkzmNQ.jpg

An indoor water park like this would be amazing and would help with our long winters, but I’d rather it be in the current Canadian Tire Centre and still have a new arena at Lebreton. Imagine the ice pad area as a giant pool and water slides all around the perimeter where the stands are and also a hotel on one end of the stands that overlooks the park just like at Rogers Centre. Just need to replace the roof with a glass dome.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Something like this would be cool, but it would never happen in Ottawa.

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Attractio...n_Romania.html

If you read the description in Trip Adviser, it says:

Located North of Bucharest, just 10 minutes away from the city,

In fact, it is actually about 20km from downtown Bucharest, thus it's relative location is closer to Chelsea (home of the Nordik Spa, 16km from Ottawa) than it is to LeBreton.

Originally Posted by dhottawa729

An indoor water park like this would be amazing and would help with our long winters, but I’d rather it be in the current Canadian Tire Centre and still have a new arena at Lebreton. Imagine the ice pad area as a giant pool and water slides all around the perimeter where the stands are and also a hotel on one end of the stands that overlooks the park just like at Rogers Centre. Just need to replace the roof with a glass dome.

Agreed! Optimally the glass dome could be removed on nice days.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Yes, not bad! (Therme Bucuresti, Romania)

Imagine this combined with a Conservatory, aquarium and hotel complex.

[movebyleap]

If it's not beige, boring, and mediocre, then forget about it. It won't happen in this city. I always preferred Devcore myself as well. A fabulous contemporary art museum would also suit this part of the city.

[McC]

Originally Posted by movebyleap

. A fabulous contemporary art museum would also suit this part of the city.

Housing which collection?

[J.OT13]

Right, we have two art galleries in the Market area (National Gallery and Ottawa Art Gallery). We don't need a third at LeBreton. We also have two, eventually three waterparks. We don't need a fourth inspired by the North Edmonton Mall.

[Razor]

Right from the get go, I've always liked DCDLS (The runner up's) more.
The aquarium was the selling point IMO, and would tie in nicely with the War museum...I just found that Rendezvous's plan was a bit meh IMO, and owning a team gave Rendezvous the edge. ..I hope the re-development plan does get awarded to DCDLS, with a parcel being set aside for the arena which was actually also included in their proposal anyways. Maybe Melnyk and that group can come to some sort of agreement, and Ottawa can have a world class aquarium + the Sens playing in the same area.
What they did with Lansdowne is real impressive , so I can only imagine what Lebreton will look like in a decade.

[acottawa]

An aquarium would be a great attraction, but I am not convinced Devcore had a plan to get one built. Certainly if Ripley’s thought there was a business case they don’t really need Lebreton.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by acottawa

An aquarium would be a great attraction, but I am not convinced Devcore had a plan to get one built. Certainly if Ripley’s thought there was a business case they don’t really need Lebreton.

The basis of the success of an Aquarium on Lebreton Flats is that Lebreton would become a major tourist zone. This means that there needs to be multiple tourist draws within walking distance. It is no accident that Toronto's aquarium is right next to the CN tower. I doubt that an Aquarium would be successful with the Rendezvous plan, which focused on the arena and a strip of restaurants.

[YOWflier]

The aquarium and skydiving center are both nice attractions worth pursuing.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

The basis of the success of an Aquarium on Lebreton Flats is that Lebreton would become a major tourist zone. This means that there needs to be multiple tourist draws within walking distance. It is no accident that Toronto's aquarium is right next to the CN tower. I doubt that an Aquarium would be successful with the Rendezvous plan, which focused on the arena and a strip of restaurants.

The rest of the attractions proposed were pretty niche. It seems a little unlikely that Ridley can only see its attraction being a draw if it is next to an automotive pavilion and a bicycle museum. Certainly nothing is a CN Tower level of draw.

[YOWflier]

CN tower attracts 15M visitors per year and Ottawa had 11.25M last year. A critical mass probably exists and surely Ripley's knows that.

[McC]

Originally Posted by Razor

The aquarium ... would tie in nicely with the War museum.

In what way? I agree that an aquarium = nice, but how does it tie in with a war museum?

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by McC

In what way? I agree that an aquarium = nice, but how does it tie in with a war museum?

The War Museum has a fin, doesn't it?

[Razor]

Originally Posted by McC

In what way? I agree that an aquarium = nice, but how does it tie in with a war museum?

Only in that it would be another attraction in the same area of foot traffic...Kind of like how a food court works..Pizza with Japanese.
Tie in is probably the wrong word ."Enhance" maybe?

[eltodesukane]

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[J.OT13]

God no. As mentioned before, when the problem is Melnyk, moving the team doesn't solve the problem. Worth mentioning that Québec City is also a government town where the main industry can't buy or accept tickets with few corporate sponsorship opportunities. It's also have the size of Ottawa with yet another suburban arena.

To shift back to DCDLS, I believe that aquariums, and zoos for that matter, are archaic concepts. A lot of times, these places border animal cruelty. Many times they cross that line. I understand that they are sometimes necessary for preservation of some species near extinction, a way to boost the numbers, but for the most part, caging these animals is just sad.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

God no. As mentioned before, when the problem is Melnyk, moving the team doesn't solve the problem. Worth mentioning that Québec City is also a government town where the main industry can't buy or accept tickets with few corporate sponsorship opportunities. It's also have the size of Ottawa with yet another suburban arena.

To shift back to DCDLS, I believe that aquariums, and zoos for that matter, are archaic concepts. A lot of times, these places border animal cruelty. Many times they cross that line. I understand that they are sometimes necessary for preservation of some species near extinction, a way to boost the numbers, but for the most part, caging these animals is just sad.

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago (I think around the time the Jets were coming back) about corporate sponsorship in North America. They ranked every large city by their number of corporate head offices of a certain size (big enough to buy a box or season seats etc.). I don't remember the actual numbers but Ottawa was at the bottom of the pile. Winnipeg was the next closest and was given a ranking of almost double the corporate potential as Ottawa. Quebec was even better situated. It can't be understated how much a city/team like Ottawa depends on individual fan support, much more than the average professional sports franchise.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago (I think around the time the Jets were coming back) about corporate sponsorship in North America. They ranked every large city by their number of corporate head offices of a certain size (big enough to buy a box or season seats etc.). I don't remember the actual numbers but Ottawa was at the bottom of the pile. Winnipeg was the next closest and was given a ranking of almost double the corporate potential as Ottawa. Quebec was even better situated. It can't be understated how much a city/team like Ottawa depends on individual fan support, much more than the average professional sports franchise.

Before I begin I should say I don't want the Senators to move to Quebec City or even think they will, but the corporate base arguments are still somewhat favourable to Quebec City - in spite of some of the perceptions.

I looked up the share of the workforce that is in public administration, and Ottawa-Gatineau has 21% whereas Quebec City is 11%. Still high of course, but considerably less.

I am trying hard to think of major corporations headquartered in Ottawa, and the ones I come up with are a handful of hi-tech firms. Aside from that, Costco has its head office in Nepean but it's basically a branch plant of the U.S. operation.

Quebec City has a bunch of the province's major insurance companies based there: Industrielle Alliance, SSQ, Promutuel. The largest financial institution in the province, Desjardins, technically has its head office in the Quebec City suburb of Lévis (though a lot of head office work takes place in Montreal).

It's also got a petrochemical sector. Though Ultramar used to have its HQ there, they moved it to Calgary but the company still has a lot of operations in the area.

It's also home to the pharmacy chain Familiprix, the department store chain Simons and real estate developer Cominar.

(It's true that Ottawa has the discount retailer Giant Tiger and also the regional grocery chain Farm Boy.)

Though not located in the metro itself, Quebec City also serves as the home base "big city" for large corporations like Groupe Verreault (marine shipping) and Canam Manac (steel girders and structures).

So I would definitely say that Ottawa's economy is much more reliant on government (and everything that revolves around it) than Quebec City's is.

[spotlight]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Before I begin I should say I don't want the Senators to move to Quebec City or even think they will, but the corporate base arguments are still somewhat favourable to Quebec City - in spite of some of the perceptions.

I looked up the share of the workforce that is in public administration, and Ottawa-Gatineau has 21% whereas Quebec City is 11%. Still high of course, but considerably less.

I am trying hard to think of major corporations headquartered in Ottawa, and the ones I come up with are a handful of hi-tech firms. Aside from that, Costco has its head office in Nepean but it's basically a branch plant of the U.S. operation.

Quebec City has a bunch of the province's major insurance companies based there: Industrielle Alliance, SSQ, Promutuel. The largest financial institution in the province, Desjardins, technically has its head office in the Quebec City suburb of Lévis (though a lot of head office work takes place in Montreal).

It's also got a petrochemical sector. Though Ultramar used to have its HQ there, they moved it to Calgary but the company still has a lot of operations in the area.

It's also home to the pharmacy chain Familiprix, the department store chain Simons and real estate developer Cominar.

(It's true that Ottawa has the discount retailer Giant Tiger and also the regional grocery chain Farm Boy.)

Though not located in the metro itself, Quebec City also serves as the home base "big city" for large corporations like Groupe Verreault (marine shipping) and Canam Manac (steel girders and structures).

So I would definitely say that Ottawa's economy is much more reliant on government (and everything that revolves around it) than Quebec City's is.

Your post is incredibly deceiving ... You're making it seem as though there's next to nothing in Ottawa. The only ones that you listed that have their actual head offices in Quebec are: Simons, Industrial Alliance, familiprix and Promutuel.

Cominar is headquartered in Montreal, they might have offices in Quebec City but they have some in Ottawa too.

You try to make it seem as though simons is a bigger deal corporately than Giant Tiger. Simons has 2300 employees, giant Tiger has 8000 employees.. corporately Giant Tiger as a brand might not be as liked or as high browed as Simons but the operations are a lot bigger than simons.

Farm Boy can't be considered regional anymore with almost half of it's locations located outside of the region and about to grow even more after it's purchase by Sobeys.

the other companies you pointed to we have equivalent here. You seem to quickly glance over the companies that are in high tech in Ottawa. The previous ownership group ddi a great job in attracting the tech sector as corporate sponsors this Owner not so much. But there are many larger high tech firms in Ottawa obviously so you can't just glance over those.

Just off the top of my head (and i'm only including obvious high tech ones in this list):

Thermo Fisher Scientific: main Canadian head office of worldwide massive company, only their warehouses aren't in Ottawa

Mitel: World Headquarters

Survey Monkey: Main and only Canadian Office of large company

Shopify: World Headquarters

First Air: Main head office

Alterna Savings: Head Office

Canada Post: Technically government, but under their crown corp statute are a for profit and under different advertising regulations, they can't buy tickets but they can be a corporate supporter through main advertising.

Farm Boy: Head Office

Giant Tiger: Head Office

Costco: Canadian Head Office

Klipfolio: Head office

Lee Valley Tools: Head Office

Minto Group: Head office

Groupe Le Nordik (now with 2 spas: Chelsea/Winnipeg and soon in Whitby)

Nordion: Head office

Calian: Head office

IBM (not its main Canada Office, but its second largest in employee numbers)

Lockheed Martin Canada: Canadian head office and main office

Instant Pot: Head Office

Canopy Growth: Head Office Smith Falls/Ottawa (also home to many other Marijuana companies in the region)

Telesat: No longer a crown corp

That's just off the top of my head.. there are many more with either head offices or major offices.

I think the problem is how the Senators are approaching the companies. I'm in a decision making position at one of the companies i listed and how i've been approached by the Sens to buy season tickets or advertising is awful and completely puts me off from making a financial commitment to the team. (and no i'm not in the high tech sector)