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[Bonsai Tree]

Originally Posted by marothisu

I remember in the last Census, Rahm went heavily for a recount buy the Census wouldn't let him. The city had stated that there were entire swaths of land where the census takers didn't really go to much and were very undercooked. From what I understand, the state this time around invested a bit more into making sure they counted everyone. The media is still playing up thre losing population part which is expected. But the part about how the Census estimated a quarter million person loss but its only 18k for the state? Nope. Thats actually a crazy difference and to be off for. Not sure of the city will have lost population but if it gained population, well I'm sure the headlines will still be how it lags every other city or something

This is shaping up to be interesting perhaps. Maybe I'll teach people as well to take population estimates with a grain of salt at times.

The big media in our region sucks. Such a shame

[Rizzo]

It wasn’t terribly expensive to install new face brick and lintels on my 4 story building and get it to match the 100 year old masonry and mortar. A single family home doesn’t have that much brick to repair, so why set up for a maintenance nightmare when the paint starts to chip from all the moisture held back?

[IrishIllini]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Oh yeah, good call.

Maybe the city will see some modest growth.

I can't wait until we get the county and municipal level data.

Would be nice. My guess is it's flat w/ decent gains on income, but who knows. Maybe an increase of 25-50k in the MSA. Most (if not all) of that in Kendall and Kane and everyone else more or less flat.

Depending on where Wisconsin's gains are concentrated, the Chicago-Milwaukee CSA could happen sooner than we thought. Especially if the pandemic makes commuting between Chicago and Milwaukee more tolerable/not an every day thing.

[ChiMIchael]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Oh yeah, good call.

Maybe the city will see some modest growth.

I can't wait until we get the county and municipal level data.

I'll say this: my job oversees data of Chicago residents (ie. You have to be a Chicago resident to be in the database) and the total number has always increased for the 9 years I've been there, but there are some accuracy issues though.

When will the county and municipal data be release?

[Via Chicago]

Because you can't dupe a bunch of rubes into believing it's new and trendy and edgy unless it vaguely resembles a medium security penitentiary

I don't know when it started, but every new rehab looks like that. Someone did the same thing to a bungalow near me...

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by Bonsai Tree

The big media in our region sucks. Such a shame

Yeah the Tribune article was clearly written expecting a much larger loss.

[sixo1]

I knew something was wrong with the estimates when a few households stopped me in the streets and stated that they had not received a form in the mail or why had no one come to their door. I also recall the first few weeks of enumerating hundreds of addresses that did not exist. Mostly because these addresses were incorrect in the system. Lolz! That's why we need enumerators.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by sixo1

I knew something was wrong with the estimates when a few households stopped me in the streets and stated that they had not received a survey in the mail or why had no one come to their door. I also recall the first few weeks of enumerating hundreds of addresses that did not exist. Mostly because these addresses were incorrect in the system. Lolz! That's why we need enumerators.

You do realize what a survey is right? Most people are not supposed to get them. That's why there is a margin of error attached to every measure.

Last Census at least for chicago I checked the estimate versus the decennial at the tract level. Some were extremely accurate, like only off by a few people. Some off by maybe 50 people which is still accurate in most cases. Some were way off though. It'll be interesting to know which are in these categories this time around.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Can't wait for those county numbers to be released.

Does anyone know when the more detailed data gets released? I'm having trouble finding it on census.gov.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

Does anyone know when the more detailed data gets released? I'm having trouble finding it on census.gov.

there seems to be some uncertainty about when exactly the rest of the data will be released.

poking around online, i've heard august or september, but it looks like the bureau itself has not committed to a hard and fast date yet.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Yeah the Tribune article was clearly written expecting a much larger loss.

Obviously the loss was much less than expected, which is great. But Illinois is still one of only 3 states to lose population which is terrible. As others have noted, I'm sure the loss will be from downstate. I expect Chicago will be relatively steady with losses in black population offset by gains in whites and asians.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Obviously the loss was much less than expected, which is great. But Illinois is still one of only 3 states to lose population which is terrible. As others have noted, I'm sure the loss will be from downstate. I expect Chicago will be relatively steady with losses in black population offset by gains in whites and asians.

Right but the narrative was backwards. The fact that it was a loss was no surprise, the surprise was that the loss was so small. A fairer title, IMO would have been:

Illinois loses fewer people than expected in 2020 census

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Obviously the loss was much less than expected, which is great. But Illinois is still one of only 3 states to lose population which is terrible. As others have noted, I'm sure the loss will be from downstate. I expect Chicago will be relatively steady with losses in black population offset by gains in whites and asians.

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Right but the narrative was backwards. The fact that it was a loss was no surprise, the surprise was that the loss was so small. A fairer title, IMO would have been:

Illinois loses fewer people than expected in 2020 census

My guess is that the Census is right about the demographic trends but yeah, off on the numbers.

I agree that would be a fairer title. But the Tribune especially you can't expect much. Half of their game is doom and gloom. Remember how a few years ago on here Vlajos noted that the Census updated their estimates and would have actually shown a growth from the previous estimate for Chicago? Crains updated their story to talk about it. Tribune though? Nope.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Obviously the loss was much less than expected, which is great. But Illinois is still one of only 3 states to lose population which is terrible. As others have noted, I'm sure the loss will be from downstate. I expect Chicago will be relatively steady with losses in black population offset by gains in whites and asians.

yesterday, on the trib's website, right below the main headline of the census figures release, was a link to the editorial board's older doom & gloom op-ed about "The Great Illinois Exodus" based on the CB's woefully incorrect estimates of IL losing a quarter of a million people.

yes, we all agree that it's not good at all that illinois shrunk by 18,000 people overall, but that's still some disingenuous shit, which is par for the course for the trib.


The Chicago Tribune: doing the city of chicago absolutely zero favors, and not even caring about it, for far too long

the colonel would probably literally shoot everyone in charge of the trib these days for backstabbing chicago so relentlessly.

[sixo1]

Originally Posted by marothisu

You do realize what a survey is right? Most people are not supposed to get them. That's why there is a margin of error attached to every measure.

Maybe "survey" is the incorrect term. According to our training, every address in the U.S. is supposed to receive it. For those that do not complete it, we show up at your door.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

yesterday, on the trib's website, right below the main headline of the census figures release, was a link to the editorial board's older doom & gloom op-ed about "The Great Illinois Exodus" based on the CB's woefully incorrect estimates of IL losing a quarter of a million people.

yes, we all agree that it's not good at all that illinois shrunk by 18,000 people overall, but that's still some disingenuous shit, which is par for the course for the trib.


The Chicago Tribune: doing the city of chicago absolutely zero favors, and not even caring about it, for far too long

the colonel would probably literally shoot everyone in charge of the trib these days for backstabbing chicago so relentlessly.

^ Did you stop to think that, maybe, the Trib just used the data that was at their disposal in order to report a “great exodus”? It’s not ‘doom and gloom’ to say “holy crap, estimates are reporting that hundreds of thousands of people are leaving Illinois!” Lots of people, including most of the forumers here, bought these numbers and had various theories about what was going on.

Sorry, but the Tribune is NOT biased. It just doesn’t try to coddle a highly partisan reader base like newspapers post-2010 have begun doing. People here find it weird. They want their political biases coddled. I’m glad the Tribune isn’t doing that. Hats off to the Tribune.

And I’m glad that the population counts ended up being wrong and corrected by the census. Let’s now be happy and stop pointing fingers since we all know that pretty much all of us believed those numbers until the census corrected them last week.

[Kenmore]

lol, it's 2021 the trib is a right wing rag

[the urban politician]

Dahleen Glanton must feel out of place at the Tribune.... all of those Trumpists working there

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Did you stop to think that, maybe, the Trib just used the data that was at their disposal in order to report a “great exodus”?

Did you stop to think that, maybe, the trib could have not linked to its "Great Illinois Exodus" op-ed after they realized that the info it was based on was wildly incorrect?

I'm sorry, but that's willfully disingenuous shit, and it's par for the course for the utterly trash newspaper the trib has become.

And my criticism of the trib has jack shit to do with politics or whatever stupid-ass culture war ax-grinding you're on about.

[the urban politician]

^ It’s not the Tribune’s job to NOT report the news, dude. Sounds like it’s you who has an axe to grind.

It’s the Tribunes job to report what is happening and ask questions.

Maybe it was a bad idea to link to an older op Ed when the new data was already out, but, who the shit cares? Sounds like you just want a cheerleader instead of a newspaper. I’m glad that the Tribune is actually trying to do it’s job