CF Pacific Centre Developments

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by officedweller

UPDATE:

- Either way, the stripes don't match the "petal" frieze (or anything else on the building) at all.

So in other words, it suits the building perfectly!

Ron.

[nickbeaulieu]

omfg. At least the old Eatons building had a few years before they started making it look like crap getting tacked on (the extra floors and then the reno to the robson/howe corner in 2000 or whenever it was)

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by officedweller

UPDATE:

The backdrop is now vertical panelling that looks like a shipping container.
- Could also look like curtains on a theatre stage.
- Either way, the stripes don't match the "petal" frieze (or anything else on the building) at all.

I'm assuming that the bare neon will be enclosed with lettering, but maybe, maybe not.

They should just install a big video screen and be done with it

That would make my day.

Again, one of the most ideal locations in our entire city for such a feature...

[osirisboy]

Is this a joke? the city makes them take it down and install a piece of crap?! I first thought that the Grey metal shipping container material was some kind of backing that would get covered up with something good.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

That would make my day.

Again, one of the most ideal locations in our entire city for such a feature...

Yup that would have been perfect. But the city is probably concerned that the light given off would upset bird migratory patterns

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yup that would have been perfect. But the city is probably concerned that the light given off would upset bird migratory patterns

Haha, so funny it is probably true, but the bright as hell night skiiing on top of mountains in the middle of forrests will never be attacked But yeah, lights in the heart of a major urban center, that's a no no.

[retro_orange]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Haha, so funny it is probably true, but the bright as hell night skiiing on top of mountains in the middle of forrests will never be attacked But yeah, lights in the heart of a major urban center, that's a no no.

Odd that the city doesn't care as much about the migratory patterns of the young people to the suburbs. I love birds but they don't support the local economy.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's being changed slightly. City of Vancouver didn't like how it looked so they are forcing CF to change the colour scheme.

Don't expect anything too drastic.

Is this actually the case? IE would city confirm?

Reason I ask - someone needs to get the city back under control.

This level of micromanagement is absolutely irrational, wasteful, and borders on insane.

These people need to be reigned in.

[truenorth44]

Originally Posted by officedweller

UPDATE:

Thank you for that set of 'progress' photos - I've been wondering what the signage looked like that the city found so offensive.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by retro_orange

Odd that the city doesn't care as much about the migratory patterns of the young people to the suburbs. I love birds but they don't support the local economy.

Originally Posted by rofina

Is this actually the case? IE would city confirm?

Reason I ask - someone needs to get the city back under control.
This level of micromanagement is absolutely irrational, wasteful, and borders on insane.
These people need to be reigned in.

Originally Posted by truenorth44

Thank you for that set of 'progress' photos - I've been wondering what the signage looked like that the city found so offensive.

It's all such a tempest in a teapot; time and money and energy going on this.

[officedweller]

Pic by me today:

NEW: (Not quite finished yet, if the lettering is to be enclosed)
The really narrow band of the petals along the top and side looks out of place now.



OLD:

Originally Posted by mcminsen

Sept.17 '15, my pics

[Jebby]

Looks even worst than the previous sign.

[nickbeaulieu]

Worst. Sign. EVER.

[Vin]

I do like the new paneling better, but still surprised that the City can intrude on how a sign looks, especially regarding a pretty tame one on private property!

[dreambrother808]

Both signs look bad, not sure which is worse. CF could have come up with something better with or without regulation.

The "shed made out of metal/vinyl siding" perhaps takes it to another level of tastelessness. But is that worse than the nothingness of the previous version?

The petals have always looked out of place as well, or rather unfinished, as if a layer in the design is missing.

[Shift]

New sign at night:

Looks very incomplete / thrown together last minute. At least it will be very easy to tear out and replace in the future. Should really be a video screen covering the whole section that is sign and white pedals.

[Genauso]

Originally Posted by Vin

I do like the new paneling better, but still surprised that the City can intrude on how a sign looks, especially regarding a pretty tame one on private property!

It's funny because the city just completed its consultation in the process of updating its Sign Bylaw


I would miss it if the city became an in-your-face barrage of advertising, so I am sympathetic. But Robson & Granville serves a purpose, a small concentrated zone as busy with pedestrians as it is advertising

One of the oldest photos taken is by William Talbot in 1844, of Nelson's column under construction.

The construction hoarding is pasted over with advertising of brilliant colors. The exposure took so long you don't see the people who walked across the frame.

Humans come together for some reason, and the bigger the gathering the busier everything gets. Including advertising, selling, performing, etc.

We didn't know what we were building when we started anything: cities, highrises with elevators, metropolises with cars


I don't think the city has the expertise to choose what's best for everyone aesthetic taste, not only for today but as it transitions into something we don't know of yet.

The only thing the city can do is control everyone, tell everyone what they can't do. Then every exception they grant is stunning brilliance, or can be withdrawn if it becomes a story in the press they lose control of.



The current city council has inherited a golden era of tax+development revenue, a favorable international image, and other good fortunes.

It's been squandered away because they never review their actions.
We changed X, it cost Y, the final benefit is measured as Z.

They have no concept of considering whether they SHOULD get involved. If they make a change that leads to an improvement, they assume it was worth it because who doesn't like having a positive noble self-image of helping everyone.

If they evaluated how they spend their time properly, they could focus on the issues that add up to a much greater improvement for the same amount they're spending today.

Vision Vancouver and the staff they brought in are the municipal version of Stephen Harper micro-managing things to achieve a public relations win, and don't care a fig about actual results because they already think so highly of themselves that they don't need the reassurance.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Genauso

It's funny because the city just completed its consultation in the process of updating its Sign Bylaw


I would miss it if the city became an in-your-face barrage of advertising, so I am sympathetic.

Totally agreed that there should be control, but the City just doesn't know what it is doing.

Looking at the original CF sign, one can tell that it was as tame as a shitzu pet dog. I don't see why the City should even bother spending resources on something like this, when they can focus on more important things like cleaning up sidewalks and removing garbage from the bins, not to mention that the owners need to spend more money to change a perfectly good sign which is barely 2 years old. That, to me, is obscene intrusion.

I think the City needs a complete internal revamp, and like you said, is not able to differentiate the right hand from the left at this moment.

[Genauso]

Too Long; Didn't Read

Originally Posted by Vin

The only thing the city can do is control everyone, tell everyone what they can't do. Then every exception they grant is stunning brilliance, or can be withdrawn if it becomes a story in the press they lose control of.



The current city council has inherited a golden era of tax+development revenue, a favorable international image, and other good fortunes.

It's been squandered away because they never review their actions.
We changed X, it cost Y, the final benefit is measured as Z.

They have no concept of considering whether they SHOULD get involved. If they make a change that leads to an improvement, they assume it was worth it because who doesn't like having a positive noble self-image of helping everyone.

[officedweller]

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