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Murray certainly seems to be smart about it's future. If anyone gets a chance give us some update pics on the ongoing phase 2 of Fashion Place.

Murray mayor: Sound planning equals bright future

Growth » The central Salt Lake Valley city is increasing density and expanding up, not out.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51...ture.html.csp#

Murray • As city leaders look to the future, they see growth that avoids urban sprawl in this suburban city. The expansion will be up — as in taller buildings downtown.

In addition, development will take place in established areas that have infrastructure already in place, Mayor Dan Snarr said at Murray’s third annual economic development symposium last week...

...Also speaking at the symposium was Brooke Whitebread, marketing manager for Fashion Place Mall, who said the shopping center is in the second phase of an expansion.

In the first phase, in 2009, the shopping center’s interior was remodeled and Nord­strom moved to the north side after its old building there was demolished. The current phase has been adding 98,000 square feet of retail shops, including Crate & Barrel, Corner Bakery, California Pizza Kitchen, Coldwater Creek and Utah’s first Sephora store.

“As a community partner, all of us at Fashion Place are excited about the expansion,” Whitebread said.


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Park City - Main Street makeover, unveiled this week, could be dramatic

New York Times: Park City's Main Street is strikingly picturesque under a confectioner's sifting of Utah's famously light snow, with brightly painted 19th-century storefronts lining the four-block historic district.

The Park Record
By Jay Hamburger

Main Street leaders on Monday unveiled blueprints for a dramatic makeover of the popular shopping, dining and entertainment strip, one that would involve ambitious brick-and-mortar projects stretching from the top to the bottom of the street.


The Historic Park City Alliance, a business group representing the Main Street district, made public a series of concepts that are under consideration during an open house held at the Alpine Internet Cafe inside the Kimball Art Center. The ideas, ranging from the construction of an ice-skating rink to making improvements to the sidewalks, would perhaps be the most dramatic change since the development of lower Main Street in the 1990s.

The business group has targeted three locations on Main Street for improvements, one at the top, one toward the midpoint and the other at the bottom of the street. They are:


The Brew Pub parking lot at the top of Main Street. The idea is to build an ice-skating rink at the site. The concept also calls for a giant television screen to be placed at the location.

Miners Plaza, the small piece of land toward the midpoint of Main Street where restrooms, a seating area and the bronze miner statue are situated. The concept outlined on Monday calls for the plaza to be redesigned.

A site just next to the Main Street trolley turnaround at the bottom of Main Street. The concept envisions removing the turnaround in favor of building a park.
"I hope it makes them come to Main Street and hang out. We hope it gives them a compelling reason to come back to the street," said Andy Beerman, the president of the Historic Park City Alliance.
He acknowledged that the improvements, if they are agreed to by Park City leaders, could take up to a decade to complete, with some of the first projects not planned for another three years.

According to estimates prepared for the Historic Park City Alliance, the work at the three locations could cost between $4.5 million and $5 million. Another $1.2 million is desired for sidewalk upgrades while an additional $450,000 could be used to build a series of so-called sidewalk bulb-outs, small extensions into the roadway.

Beerman said Main Street leaders will seek funding from City Hall for most of the work. Main Street had been crafting the ideas for some time, and there had been hints in recent weeks that concepts would emerge prior to City Hall starting its budget talks later in the spring. It was not clear, though, until this week how broad the ideas would be. Main Street leaders are expected to approach City Hall with funding requests during the budget talks.

Main Street has spent the last ten-plus years trying to fend off increased competition, particularly from developments at or near Kimball Junction like Redstone and Newpark. But there is still concern that the street could lose business to the competitors without improvements like the ones the Historic Park City Alliance has outlined.

The Monday open house drew a crowd of at least 40, including people with Main Street businesses, people who live in nearby Old Town and members of the Park City Council. Several City Hall staffers also attended.

The people chatted with Main Street leaders and perused a series of renderings illustrating what the improvements might look like. The rendering of the ice-skating rink showed the Olympic rings emblazoned on the rink's surface, a way to mark the legacy of the 2002 Winter Olympics, when approximately half of the competitions were staged in or near Park City.

"Any improvement, it's good. No matter what they do," said Emerson Oliveira, the owner of The Bridge Cafe & Grill, situated on the Town Lift Plaza.

He was unsure, though, whether each of the ideas would prove to be a draw for people in both the winter and the summer. If an ice-skating rink is built, Oliveira said, he would like the location used for something else in the summer to attract people.

"We're losing a lot, compared to Newpark area, Redstone. It's a new area," he said. "We do need attention and new improvements and new things on Main Street."

Rick Anderson, the owner of The Eating Establishment restaurant since 1988, said the idea to build an ice-skating rink could make Main Street more popular with families. Parents could leave their kids to ice skate while they go shopping before the family gets back together for dinner on Main Street, Anderson said. The location of the ice rink could be used for events like concerts and film screenings in the summer, he said.

"To maintain the economic health of Main Street is essential to the economic health of the city," Anderson said.

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Murray certainly seems to be smart about it's future. If anyone gets a chance give us some update pics on the ongoing phase 2 of Fashion Place.

Murray mayor: Sound planning equals bright future

Growth » The central Salt Lake Valley city is increasing density and expanding up, not out.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/51...ture.html.csp#

Murray • As city leaders look to the future, they see growth that avoids urban sprawl in this suburban city. The expansion will be up — as in taller buildings downtown.

In addition, development will take place in established areas that have infrastructure already in place, Mayor Dan Snarr said at Murray’s third annual economic development symposium last week...

...Also speaking at the symposium was Brooke Whitebread, marketing manager for Fashion Place Mall, who said the shopping center is in the second phase of an expansion.

In the first phase, in 2009, the shopping center’s interior was remodeled and Nord­strom moved to the north side after its old building there was demolished. The current phase has been adding 98,000 square feet of retail shops, including Crate & Barrel, Corner Bakery, California Pizza Kitchen, Coldwater Creek and Utah’s first Sephora store.

“As a community partner, all of us at Fashion Place are excited about the expansion,” Whitebread said.


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Do they even have any developers or development lined up or is this just more talk? I want to hear less of what city leaders WISH for their city to become and more of DETAILS of what/where and even when these buildings will go up.
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Do they even have any developers or development lined up or is this just more talk? I want to hear less of what city leaders WISH for their city to become and more of DETAILS of what/where and even when these buildings will go up.
I agree with the fact that I would like to hear about more actual developments and plans. However I am glad to hear that the city and its leaders know what they want. If they don't vocalize it, put it in a general plan and have a clear goal, then development will be haphazard and will not mesh. Good for Murray for developing a precise vision of growing up, not out. Now that developers know what Murray wants they will know exactly what to pursue when they do develop. City leaders can't simply wait around for developers to come to them, then decide what they want to do. Have a plan, have a vision, then that vision will take shape.
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I agree with the fact that I would like to hear about more actual developments and plans. However I am glad to hear that the city and its leaders know what they want. If they don't vocalize it, put it in a general plan and have a clear goal, then development will be haphazard and will not mesh. Good for Murray for developing a precise vision of growing up, not out. Now that developers know what Murray wants they will know exactly what to pursue when they do develop. City leaders can't simply wait around for developers to come to them, then decide what they want to do. Have a plan, have a vision, then that vision will take shape.

All good points. I really do like what the city of Murray is doing and the goals they want to reach.

Speaking of Murray and taller buildings does anybody know anything about those three office towers that were planned for Murray. ( I guess these buildings would of gone near the IHC ) I forgot the name of these buildings, but all I can remember is that one was planned to be 18-stories, 15-stories and then 12-stories.....all office buildings. I'm sure maybe this is dead, but then maybe not.
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Ok it won't let me view these plan towers one by one, but on the overall list of Murray highrises it shows 3-planned under highrises.

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I would imagine the plans are not dead. Just like most development planning, especially in a choice area like that, it's just waiting for the moment for the dollar figures to trend in the right direction.

I've been wanting to hear Ark's opinion on Murray projects lately, and how Fireclay's current prospects are doing at this juncture in the economic recovery.
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That's how Park City Heights will be designed

By Jay Hamburger
The Park Record


The Park City Planning Commission is scheduled to continue its discussions and hold a hearing about the Park City Heights development idea on Wednesday.

A model has been created showing how the buildings will be situated within Park City Heights, a development idea at Quinn's Junction that partners City Hall with The Boyer Company.

Officials plan to put the model on display at the Wednesday meeting, and it is expected to be available for viewing at the Planning Department through at least the middle of April.

The Planning Commission meeting on Wednesday starts at 5:30 p.m. in the Park City Council's chambers at the Marsac Building.


A model of Park City Heights is on display at the Planning Department. Grayson West/Park Record

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I've been wanting to hear Ark's opinion on Murray projects lately, and how Fireclay's current prospects are doing at this juncture in the economic recovery.
I've actually not worked for Hamlet for some time now, things are not going well for them, especially at Fireclay in Murray, where they are pulling out. If you want to buy some land or developed plans for an office building its your lucky day:

http://www.hamlethomes.com/communiti...le.aspx?cid=18

It's good too see that the city leaders are pushing for growth, but there really just doesn't seem to be a market for it at all right now. If anything goes in there in the near future, I'd imagine it would have to be apartments.

I recall several contentious meetings with Tim Tingey when I was with Hamlet and we were trying to make changes to the project so that it would be more marketable and economic to build, but he was pretty staunchly opposed. I suppose on one hand you could commend him for sticking to his guns and pushing to build everything according to the original vision for the area. At the same time though, instead of Live/Work townhomes that the developer wanted to build, but the city wouldn't allow, the property is now in distress and it will likely be years before anything but a dirt field exists there.
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At the same time though, instead of Live/Work townhomes that the developer wanted to build, but the city wouldn't allow, the property is now in distress and it will likely be years before anything but a dirt field exists there.
The city actually did approve a revised development agreement including the new live/work townhomes and the first group was built. Apparently they didn't sell fast enough, or the debt service on the rest of the stalled project was too overwhelming. Speaking from the position of being involved with the Fireclay project from the beginning, before Hamlet's involvement, there are definitely element of their plan that could have been improved, but I'm not sure that even the best project would have survived the perfect storm of economic meltdown. It just beat them down at every turn unfortunately. But in a good but not ideal turn for Fireclay, the development between the TRAX line and the UP line is getting ready to go.

There are some pictures of the townhomes here.

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All good points. I really do like what the city of Murray is doing and the goals they want to reach.

Speaking of Murray and taller buildings does anybody know anything about those three office towers that were planned for Murray. ( I guess these buildings would of gone near the IHC ) I forgot the name of these buildings, but all I can remember is that one was planned to be 18-stories, 15-stories and then 12-stories.....all office buildings. I'm sure maybe this is dead, but then maybe not.
About those three buildings... I think thats my fault. I might have drawn a quick conceptual site plan for a property owner adjacent to IMC that was seeking a zone change. Said site plan might have had 3 ridiculously tall buildings called Cache Towers. Amazing the life that silly little ideas can take on.
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The city actually did approve a revised development agreement including the new live/work townhomes and the first group was built. Apparently they didn't sell fast enough, or the debt service on the rest of the stalled project was too overwhelming. Speaking from the position of being involved with the Fireclay project from the beginning, before Hamlet's involvement, there are definitely element of their plan that could have been improved, but I'm not sure that even the best project would have survived the perfect storm of economic meltdown. It just beat them down at every turn unfortunately. But in a good but not ideal turn for Fireclay, the development between the TRAX line and the UP line is getting ready to go.

There are some pictures of the townhomes here.

http://www.hamlethomes.com/communiti...ay.aspx?cid=18
The city's requirements on those live/work townhomes were still pretty difficult to work with. They demanded 12' ceilings on the first floor, and wouldn't concede to let them be built under the IRC Code as Live work townhomes. That first townhome "building" is actually permitted as numerous separate buildings becuase Tim Tingey had visions of quaint coffee shops and bookstores that required them to be built as IBC Mixed use condominiums. That made them much more expensive and difficult to construct. I can't speak to the decisions that Hamlet made after I worked there, but I get the impression that they just gave up on the project becuase it was such a pain to work with in the current market. Hamlet has less "urban" communities at neighboring TRAX stations that are doing much better in the current market.

My work with developers and builders always puts me in an adversarial role with city planners, but I'm not just trying to say that it was all the city's fault- just making the comment that even with a great vision for the area from the city, a project has to be marketable and a mixed-use community at Fireclay right now is not.

The portion of Fireclay that is going in on the west of the TRAX line is going to be apartments, IIRC. Hopefully it will be more successful, though it will be far less urban, walkable and connected to the city since the site is cut off from the rest of Murray by 4500 S., Big Cottonwood creek and train tracks on every side.
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Thanks Ark and others for the perspectives on Murray. I've always liked Murray, and look forward to seeing how it evolves over the next ten years. Hopefully, an economic recovery will be strong enough to encourage it's development potential as soon as possible. I think the future positive development of South Salt Lake and Murray gives SLC proper itself also, a brighter and more attractive quality of life.
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Canyons going underground with major parking garage.

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_1770168...ce=most_viewed

The Canyons Resort is now developing at a breakneck pace. Plans call for it's size to soon be the single largest ski resort in the United States.

Canyons Resort

Canyons Resort is going underground with one of its new guest offerings: three-levels of parking
space...

...The underground garage will be located in the Forum area between the Sundial Lodge, Grand Summit
Hotel and Westgate Hotel. It will have between 350 and 400 stalls to accommodate guests to the resort.


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I'm excited about the Chinatown coming to South Salt Lake. I live right in that area and can walk to it in 10 minutes. Even though it looks like it's going to just be a specialized strip mall, it will bring some culture and distinctiveness to the area and get rid of that eyesore that is the former Rocky Point Haunted House that is now just a parking lot with weeds growing out of the cracks, some leering light poles, and a huge boarded up building.
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I agree Bob. Even though it is less than perfect by our urban development standards, surely it is a big improvement over the current decay. Also, it should help to encourage further development, much of which could be more urban correct.
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Large-scale Herriman development gaining momentum

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...ment.html.csp#

...Although poor market conditions have slowed development of the massive south Valley Herriman Towne Center project, they didn’t derail it.

Three years later, several elements of the project have been built. The J.L. Sorenson Recreation Center, a Salt Lake County facility, opened March 18, joining a library and elementary school. In July, the first neighborhood park is scheduled for completion.

Now comes the debut of the residential portion of the center by Momentum of Salt Lake City— formerly The Sorenson Group — which, once complete, could offer as many as 500 single-family homes, 500 apartments and 1,000 townhomes...



(Steve Griffin | The Salt Lake Tribune) A map for the new Herriman Towne Center master planned community hangs on the wall of the project's model home in Herriman on Thursday, March 17, 2011.Photo 3 of 6»«close gallery

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While I'm not huge on the "Town Centers" in the burbs, it's really not a town center because nobody that lives there commutes to the town center, I do like the fact that they are incorporating a mix of residential choices single family, town homes and apartments. I love that single family isn't the largest offering.

On a side note, for those of you truly interested in planning and or the economics of why cities are greener and more relevant than suburbs, pick up the book "Triumph of the City" It's a great read and very applicable.
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I am kind of impressed with the plan. Though, I never really want to advocate sprawl, this plan seems to have integrated itself into the patchwork of development rather nicely, and has brought in appropriate uses for the project.
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While I'm not huge on the "Town Centers" in the burbs, it's really not a town center because nobody that lives there commutes to the town center, I do like the fact that they are incorporating a mix of residential choices single family, town homes and apartments. I love that single family isn't the largest offering.
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Agree re: housing types. As an apartment renter, I can't understand how someone can argue I'm a "higher crime" neighbor than if I lived in a house.

Good to see a mixture of housing types.
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