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Originally Posted by simons
- It appears you aren’t aware of the difference between a legal land claim vs. unceded territory.
- Saying that certain FN groups have all the means to prosper is certainly a choice given the horrific conditions they were subject to no more than 2-3 generations ago that have to this day manifested in overrepresentation in, for example, homeless populations.
- Maybe the MST should have a seat because it’s their traditional territory and, you know, UNDRIP?
- Treating rights like a zero sum game is also… a choice.
For what it’s worth I don’t think you are properly equipped to have an informed discussion about this matter at this time. |
If this is your honest to god response then, wow. It's always the ones that are least prepared to talk about a subject that accuse others of it. Projection much?
The very first obvious sign of a white racist is when they assume that First Nations peoples in Canada are just one big group of people that are equal and every member of each First Nation is of the same class and creed. Believe it or not, First Nations peoples are people too, and there are those that are doing better and those that are doing worse.
1. Not once did I ever claim that the MST are making a land claim. I quite clearly pointed out how ridiculous it is to claim that reclaimed land is traditional unceded territory. Obviously you missed that point.
2. Perhaps I'm a social Marxist at heart, but can you explain to me exactly how providing additional political power to members of an ethnic group is supposed to specifically aid in the people who are doing the worst? Are we still persecuting them for their ethnicity? If not, at what point do we stop supporting them based on their ethnicity and instead on their social class?
3. Same way how the ethnic majority indigenous Malays should forever have additional rights over the non-indigenous Chinese in Malaysia right? Are you seriously suggesting that you want a society which has different rights for different ethnic groups? Perhaps Germany should protect the ethnic supremacy of Germans in Germany and Japan should protect the ethnic supremacy of Japanese in Japan? If you actually think this, you really aren't prepared to live in a liberal society let alone have this conversation.
4. This is the least serious point yet. Rights are not a zero sum game you're right. They're actually a
negative sum game. When you give more rights to one group that another group doesn't have, you make the net value of society
worse. Just think about that for a moment. In the US south they decided to give more rights to whites. So what's the problem? When a school, or diner, or drinking fountain is built that's whites only, it's not like African Americans were able to go to that school or diner or drinking fountain before it was built right? Giving White Americans more rights doesn't hurt African Americans, right? Actually I take that back, since black Americans were so brutally subjugated they should have been building black only drinking fountains and that would be a net positive, what do you think? What an unserious thing to think about. Everyone should have the same rights.
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