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Old Posted Sep 12, 2016, 12:49 AM
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Does it peeve anyone else that the federal bridge authority gave MTL $30M to install some 2,800 lights on one of their damn bridges, but Ottawa can't get a measly $10M to make an existing interprovincial bridge usable again?


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It peeves me more that extending the Trillium line across the river with a right hand turn and a single station at Terrase hasn't even been formally proposed outside of armchair planners, let alone made it into any offical plan. It's just so easy, makes so much sense. Getting rid of any bus traffic between provinces saves money!

I mean this idea has been kicked around for 40+ years! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j5rfcBlyZm...122045_001.jpg

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It peeves me more that extending the Trillium line across the river with a right hand turn and a single station at Terrase hasn't even been formally proposed outside of armchair planners, let alone made it into any offical plan. It's just so easy, makes so much sense. Getting rid of any bus traffic between provinces saves money!

I mean this idea has been kicked around for 40+ years! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j5rfcBlyZm...122045_001.jpg
And with real rapid transit to the urban east side, to boot!
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2016, 1:32 PM
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It peeves me more that extending the Trillium line across the river with a right hand turn and a single station at Terrase hasn't even been formally proposed outside of armchair planners, let alone made it into any offical plan. It's just so easy, makes so much sense. Getting rid of any bus traffic between provinces saves money!

I mean this idea has been kicked around for 40+ years! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j5rfcBlyZm...122045_001.jpg
Won't that support the outflow of money to Quebec?

It won't be built. The bridge will be allowed to crumble into the water.
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Won't that support the outflow of money to Quebec?

It won't be built. The bridge will be allowed to crumble into the water.
we can rename the remaining piers Watson, Pedneaud, and Jobin.
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It peeves me more that extending the Trillium line across the river with a right hand turn and a single station at Terrase hasn't even been formally proposed outside of armchair planners, let alone made it into any offical plan.
The extension across the river is in the Ottawa's Transportation Master Plan Ultimate Network, but it isn't in the 2031 Network Concept or 2031 Affordable Network.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2016, 4:51 PM
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City begins fencing off Prince of Wales rail bridge

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: September 20, 2016 | Last Updated: September 20, 2016 12:39 PM EDT




The city is spending $46,000 on new fencing to block the ends of the Prince of Wales Bridge.

Workers were at the city-owned railway bridge Tuesday installing posts and rolling out the fences to keep pedestrians off the deck.

Carina Duclos, the city’s manager of municipal design and construction, said the city has installed “private property” signs and repaired existing fencing. The new fencing will block the Ottawa and Gatineau ends of the bridge, as well as the section at Lemieux Island.

The city is under pressure by Transport Canada to keep people off the historic truss bridge, which dates back to 1880. According to the city, it’s not safe for people to be walking across the deck in the structure’s current condition.

Federal regulations compel the city to make the bridge safe, even if there aren’t trains running across it.

Turning the bridge into an interprovincial bikeway and pedestrian path would cost $10.5 million.

The city bought the bridge in 2005 to preserve it as an interprovincial rapid transit connection, but it would cost up to $40 million to bring the structure up to snuff for trains. The rail line is connected to the O-Train Trillium Line, which has a terminus at nearby Bayview station.

The problem with the conventional fencing has been people peeling it back to access the bridge deck. The city was considering installing $250,000 security gates, which would be another budget pressure.

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$46,000 for some metal posts in cement and some chainlink fencing?
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At least we haven't called in Larry O'Brien for the public demolition.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2016, 3:17 AM
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Carina Duclos, the city’s manager of municipal design and construction, said the city has installed “private property” signs and repaired existing fencing.
It puzzles me how the city — a public institution funded by our taxes — can use the label "private property" to keep us out. Put a sign up that says restricted access for safety reasons, but all city property is owned by the public.
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$46,000 for some metal posts in cement and some chainlink fencing?
I could do any single project in this city personally for 1/10th of the price or less given the time. No surprise here.
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Looks like the bridge users aren't going to take this sitting down:
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The fence was damaged late Tuesday night, less than 12 hours after it was installed.

CTV's Patricia Boal says some cyclists discovered the fence to be damaged, and that people were walking on the bridge at night
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Prince of Wales Bridge fences broken into just hours after being installed
Bridge fencing cost about $46K, according to city officials

CBC News Posted: Sep 20, 2016 10:28 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 21, 2016 7:27 AM ET




New fencing was put up Tuesday at the Prince of Wales Bridge to deter trespassers, but it didn't prove very effective.

Gates put up Tuesday appeared to be vandalized and broken into later in the day, and people could be seen on the bridge in the evening.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper says the vandalism and trespassing is counterproductive.

"I'm disappointed," said Leiper. "My caution to people who want to use the bridge is that if the chain-link fence continues to get broken, the city is almost certain to go ahead and in order to protect itself from liability ... put in place that more expensive solution."

The city was initially going to spend more than $250,000 to put up gates prohibiting access, but after public outcry the cost was dropped to about $46,000, according to city officials.

Leiper said if the vandalism doesn't stop, the city may not have a choice.

The city bought the bridge a decade ago for $399,000 with the idea of using it as an LRT extension, but Transport Canada still regulates the disused railway crossing.

After a Dec. 2, 2015 meeting with officials from the cities of Ottawa and Gatineau, Transport Canada wrote to make it clear it expects them to "permanently barricade the bridge to stop trespassers." The letter included a pointed reminder that the city is obliged to protect the safety and security of the public while they're on the property.

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Old Posted Sep 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
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Well that's not surprising at all
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2016, 11:55 PM
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Ottawa police called to Prince of Wales Bridge 51 times — over 10 years

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 6, 2016 | Last Updated: October 6, 2016 5:00 PM EDT


The Ottawa Police Service has received 51 calls about activities at the Prince of Wales Bridge since 2005, according to statistics kept by the force.

A list of the calls, obtained through access to information, sheds light on the reasons why police have been requested to investigate on and around the bridge. The Citizen asked for a call log between Jan. 1, 2005 and Aug. 29, 2016, which was the date of the information request.

The City of Ottawa bought the historic bridge in 2005 to protect the crossing for a future interprovincial transit connection. The city has been trying to block access to the bridge at three locations – on the Ottawa and Gatineau sides, plus the middle section at Lemieux Island – but trespassers have scoffed at the measures.

The police log has no calls about the bridge in 2005.

There were only three calls in 2006, all related to traffic. Over the course of the 10-plus years, a total of eight calls were related to traffic stops or complaints.

When it comes to calls about violent incidents, there were three calls over the time period: an assault causing bodily harm one July night in 2009, and an assault with a weapon on an early October morning that same year.

Fourteen calls described a suspicious person, vehicle, call or circumstance in the area. The only two calls to the bridge in 2007 were for a suspicious person and suspicious circumstance.

In each year between 2006 and 2011 there were between one and three calls. There was a spike in 2012 when police took 12 calls.

There were eight calls in 2016 up until Aug. 29, but two of the calls were cancelled and one was for administrative reasons. There was a call in February marked as a motor vehicle collision processed through a collision reporting centre. There was a traffic stop and disturbance in May, and in July there was a theft and a disturbance.

Other reasons for police attending the bridge since 2005 were for trespassing, noise, property damage, theft, warrants and for people with mental health issues.

Four of the 51 calls were marked as “cancelled,” while seven others were either marked “administrative” or “information.” Three of the 51 calls resulted in charges, according to the log.

The city has been increasingly concerned about safety on the closed bridge, especially since Transport Canada requires the municipality to prevent access to the deck. The issue blew up over the summer when people learned the city was considering installing stronger security gates for $250,000.

Instead, the city spent a smaller amount on chainlink fences, which were instantly vandalized, and hired private security to guard the bridge access points.

People have since behaved.

Carina Duclos, manager of municipal design and construction, said the gates haven’t been damaged. Signs that were spray-painted have been replaced, Duclos said.

While people have called for the city to turn the bridge into a pedestrian and cycling path, the city doesn’t have the $10.5 million needed to make it happen.

The unused rail bridge connects to the O-Train Trillium Line, which has a northern terminus at Bayview station. The city wants to run the train to Gatineau, one day when it can afford to.

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Good thing they're providing 24 hour security to prevent that one incident involving charges every 3 years. Way better to focus on this important issues rather than the 51 shootings.
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Gatineau mayor mulls LRT connection to Ottawa
Plan for cross-border public transit likely more than a decade away.

By: Dylan C. Robertson, Metro
Published on Tue Jan 03 2017


Gatineau’s mayor says a Light Rail Transit line could connect both sides of the Ottawa River.

In a year-end interview with Radio-Canada, Mayor Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin said the biggest problem faced by the Société de transport de l'Outaouais (STO) is poor transit connections with the Aylmer district.

"There are studies that have been done for the future high-speed link, whether it’s an LRT, bus, all that. We are doing this and we are moving towards a solution," Pedneaud-Jobin said.

He noted this could be achieved through a proposal by Hull-Aylmer MP Greg Fergus for an LRT that extends Ottawa’s existing O-Train over the decommissioned Prince of Wales railway bridge.

Last month, Ottawa South MP David McGuinty told Metro that regional MPs meet regularly to discuss ideas like an interprovincial LRT. “The river just isn’t that wide,” he said.

But the only environmental assessment for a possible LRT extension that Ottawa has announced involves Kanata, which wouldn’t start construction until 2031.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...to-ottawa.html
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Gatineau mayor mulls LRT connection to Ottawa
Plan for cross-border public transit likely more than a decade away.

By: Dylan C. Robertson, Metro
Published on Tue Jan 03 2017


Gatineau’s mayor says a Light Rail Transit line could connect both sides of the Ottawa River.

In a year-end interview with Radio-Canada, Mayor Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin said the biggest problem faced by the Société de transport de l'Outaouais (STO) is poor transit connections with the Aylmer district.

"There are studies that have been done for the future high-speed link, whether it’s an LRT, bus, all that. We are doing this and we are moving towards a solution," Pedneaud-Jobin said.

He noted this could be achieved through a proposal by Hull-Aylmer MP Greg Fergus for an LRT that extends Ottawa’s existing O-Train over the decommissioned Prince of Wales railway bridge.

Last month, Ottawa South MP David McGuinty told Metro that regional MPs meet regularly to discuss ideas like an interprovincial LRT. “The river just isn’t that wide,” he said.

But the only environmental assessment for a possible LRT extension that Ottawa has announced involves Kanata, which wouldn’t start construction until 2031.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/...to-ottawa.html
Isn't that depressing?
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Isn't that depressing?
I thought Phase 3 to Kanata was supposed to be finished by 2031, worst case scenario. Most likely much earlier.
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