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lzppjb · #**241** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 7:57 PM**

That area will be a nightmare.

Fairmont
Waller Park Place
Trinity Place
Millinneum
Van Zandt
Homewood Suites
70 Rainey

jngreenlee · #**242** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by corvairkeith

Don't forget 99 Trinity should be going up at the same time.

Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and close down the I-35/CC exits now. BRB.

jngreenlee · #**243** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

That area will be a nightmare.

Fairmont
Waller Park Place
Trinity Place
Millinneum
Van Zandt
Homewood Suites
70 Rainey

I'ts interesting to wonder what subtle effects this will have on foot traffic during that time. Will Rainey St and other DT bar area crowds tend to stay separated by a vague psychological effect?

lzppjb · #**244** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 8:22 PM**

I forgot North Shore Lofts and Kimber Modern.

ahealy · #**245** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 10:28 PM**

yikes! what a cluster fuck! I've noticed sorta the same with seaholm hood. I can't ride my bike through 3rd without having to dodge a cement truck or someone in a forklift

lzppjb · #**246** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 11:14 PM**

I think it's a good problem to have for a couple years.

MichaelB · #**247** Posted **Oct 28, 2014, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

yikes! what a cluster fuck! I've noticed sorta the same with seaholm hood. I can't ride my bike through 3rd without having to dodge a cement truck or someone in a forklift

yeah...like.... oh, nevermind. That one was too easy!

Jdawgboy · #**248** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 8:11 PM**

Van Zandt, will be pretty much complete by the time Waller Park Place or 99 Trinity start. Fact is we still don't have an official start date for either, only vague idea's. I think it will be more staggered than ya'll think. Fairmont for sure, possibly Millinium, though depending on when the others break ground, it too may be half way through construction.

What I am interested in getting details about is the lot that was recently bought. For a lot that size, any project planned there should be a significant project or at any rate better be a significant project as far as height goes.

I think Rainey, (what's left of it) will still get good business during construction. I do wish that they left the houses that fronted Rainey and just build on half the block with a wide lit pedestrian allyway/walkway between. The bars could have created nice back way entrances and the ground level retail would still be able to work with that type of set up. I know that when they originally changed the zoning that what businesses that opened in the old houses could be developed over at some point but there is something to be said for organic changes. People like Rainey for a reason. At least along that strip of Rainey, they can easily build around. I liked the idea that the Downtown Austin Plan put in their rendering of a total DT buildout for the Rainey District . Should still be easily found online somewhere. In that rendering, they had highrises surrounding Rainey Street leaving just the stretch between Holly and Driskill? Or whatever that other street is called. It would have been a shaded island. Now, the feel and vibe of the street has changed. That's why I am a strong proponent of building up rather than out.

Sorry about the rant. Whatever the end result will be for that area, I hope it will continue to be an attractive place that people will want to go or live.

lzppjb · #**249** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 8:17 PM**

Which piece of property are you talking about? This one? http://austintowers.net/red-river-properties-apply-for-demo-permitsignals-development-efforts/

lzppjb · #**250** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 8:25 PM**

Also, I'd like to see that buildout if you can find it. I've searched, but am having no luck finding it.

AusTxDevelopment · #**251** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Which piece of property are you talking about? This one? http://austintowers.net/red-river-properties-apply-for-demo-permitsignals-development-efforts/

I heard several months ago that Endeavor was planning a 200,000 sf office or mixed use building for that site. That's about the same size as IBC Bank Tower, also developed by Endeavor.

GoldenBoot · #**252** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by AusTxDevelopment

I heard several months ago that Endeavor was planning a 200,000 sf office or mixed use building for that site. That's about the same size as IBC Bank Tower, also developed by Endeavor.

I also heard rumblings of another hotel...possible mixed-use development.

AusTxDevelopment · #**253** Posted **Oct 29, 2014, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

I also heard rumblings of another hotel...possible mixed-use development.

That would be interesting because the one thing Endeavor doesn't develop (yet?) is hotels. The hotels in their Domain project were all developed by hotel developers, not Endeavor. However, I guess if they have the right partner anything is possible. They are very well connected.

Cd1076 · #**254** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 2:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

I forgot North Shore Lofts and Kimber Modern.

Also, to further compound Cesar Chavez traffic, there is a planned 65 room hotel/restaurant at Cesar Chavez and Waller streets on the east side. The developers have a contract pending for 5 adjoined lots near that intersection.

Jdawgboy · #**255** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Which piece of property are you talking about? This one? http://austintowers.net/red-river-properties-apply-for-demo-permitsignals-development-efforts/

I'm referring to the gravel lot just north but all of those lots are definitely worth watching closely.

jngreenlee · #**256** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 10:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

I'm referring to the gravel lot just north but all of those lots are definitely worth watching closely.

No CVC through there, should be worth a lot more than an iHOP. Maybe it could be redone like this:

lzppjb · #**257** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 10:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

I'm referring to the gravel lot just north but all of those lots are definitely worth watching closely.

I didn't realize it had been sold. Must have missed it.

jngreenlee · #**258** Posted **Oct 30, 2014, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jngreenlee

No CVC through there, should be worth a lot more than an iHOP. Maybe it could be redone like this:

Got curious...there are 5 parcels between Red River and I-35 Frontage there, on the southern 700 E block of Cesar Chavez. They are owned by (W to E):
Lorenz Perry (Miscellaneous Transaction 2008)
Waller Creek 11 LTD (Special Deed from UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS BOARD in 1999)*
Lorenz Perry & Robert E. Knight (Purchased 2009)
Lorenz Perry & Robert E. Knight (Purchased 2009)
Rosenthal Richard J (IHOP lot - Purchased 2005)

Assessed value for all combined $12.6MM

*Note Waller Creek Eleven LTD is owned by Waller Creek Eleven GP, which is chaired by Perry Lorenz and Robert E Knight.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/waller-creek-eleven-ltd/30034985.aspx
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/waller-creek-eleven-gp-inc/30282077.aspx

The ATX · #**259** Posted **Nov 20, 2014, 2:34 PM**

Here's a demo related permit filing from yesterday for one of the buildings on the Waller Park place site:

https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=11251856

This is the building:

Just build this damn thing already. So much waiting.

Spaceman · #**260** Posted **Nov 20, 2014, 4:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hill Country

Here's a demo related permit filing from yesterday for one of the buildings on the Waller Park place site:

https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=11251856

This is the building:

Just build this damn thing already. So much waiting.

Amen Hill Country...Do all cities develop projects as slowly as Austin?