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Old Posted Oct 6, 2023, 9:06 PM
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Councillor Troster is holding a public meeting for this proposal on Wednesday October 11 from 6:30-8:30pm. I really like everything about this proposal in its current form so it'd be great to have as many voices from this community as possible there to show our support. Ultimately, we can complain about Ottawa not having nice things all we want but it's up to us to do whatever we can to change that

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Old Posted Oct 12, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Anyone attend Troster's meeting?
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Hoping she posts it on her YouTube channel, but I'm not getting my hopes up. She hasn't posted anything in 8 months, and only one video is actually from her time as an elected official.

But anyway, from what I gathered on Rail Fans Canada Discord:

- Brigil committing to 1:1 bicycle parking;
- 300 units more than zoning;
- 33% of units will be affordable, which is quite impressive (note affordable probably doesn't mean OCH level affordable);
- City did not like the podium design. According to Kevin from Discord "Apparently it was "not historically accurate" or something.
- Too much set-backs;
- City wants 40 storey tower on the corner;
- Brigil ready to reduce parking if zoning allows;
- Phase 1 rentals, phase 2 tbd;

Overall, the meeting went well. Apparently, Mary Huang (tomato garden person) was "vaguely praising it" according to Kevin on Discord.

Troster wants Kent complete street funding. She said something about wanting BRT on Bank (though City can't even get Baseline going, which has been shovel ready for a decade, so not getting my hopes up).

Troster apparently has issues with the height, but understands the link between height and amenities, height and affordable housing.
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- City did not like the podium design. According to Kevin from Discord "Apparently it was "not historically accurate" or something.
- Too much set-backs;
What the ____ are they talking about? The design is beautiful and the podium is so unique it its design! Makes it blend a lot with the surrounding area and makes it look like a bunch of different existing buildings instead of a 1 large imposing podium.

And can there be too many set backs? There definitely can be too little (see lot line to lot line buildings in CBD and on Rideau) but how can they complain about too many set backs?

Hard to be optimistic about this city and future projects
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What the ____ are they talking about? The design is beautiful and the podium is so unique it its design! Makes it blend a lot with the surrounding area and makes it look like a bunch of different existing buildings instead of a 1 large imposing podium.

And can there be too many set backs? There definitely can be too little (see lot line to lot line buildings in CBD and on Rideau) but how can they complain about too many set backs?

Hard to be optimistic about this city and future projects
There can definitely be too great of a setback, but that would typically be for suburban projects that don't properly frame the street, or in an urban context when a project doesn't align its front facade with its neighbours. In this context, I'm not sure what the planners are talking about.

Sounds like the City planners just need to critique something
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Sounds like the City planners just need to critique something
Wow...that is the first time that has ever happened.
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And can there be too many set backs?
Yes?

This is usually the problem in Ottawa: too many bloody stupid street-deadening setbacks.
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Yes?

This is usually the problem in Ottawa: too many bloody stupid street-deadening setbacks.
There are good set-backs and bad set-backs.

Bad set-back (Scott Street near Tunney's Station), retail frontage a few steps higher than the sidewalk, creating a second, very narrow sidewalk, separated from the actual sidewalk by huge platers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4061...8192?entry=ttu

Good set-back (Cambridge across St. Vincent Hospital), creates small terraces and a bit of privacy for those who live on the ground floor.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4137...8192?entry=ttu

Bad set-back (Scott Street near Westboro Station), adds a bunch of concrete, twig trees are not protected, storefronts are souless.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3970...8192?entry=ttu

Good set-backs (Richmond in Westboro), adds little width to the sidewalk while still distinguishing public and private right of way with different materials, terraces, interesting and lively store fronts.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.3899...8192?entry=ttu
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There are good set-backs and bad set-backs.
Yes, but Ottawa builders mostly do the Bad flavour.

Edited: It's not just an Ottawa thing, it's bad all over, but it's bad here too.
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Bad set-back (Scott Street near Tunney's Station), retail frontage a few steps higher than the sidewalk, creating a second, very narrow sidewalk, separated from the actual sidewalk by huge platers.

Speaking of this set back, the setback will be increasing since the roads new curb will be roughly halfway through the lane the blue car is in. Sidewalk will double in width but stay in same position.
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Unreal. Finally a developer addresses some of the most common complaints by residents in this city, and then the city flips 180 and asks for the same effing crap that everyone complains about with every other development.
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Drove by this morning and an excavator was onsite digging within the NE corner of the hoarding.
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I saw that yesterday too. Is this one going ahead? Been pretty quiet? One of the more interesting proposals in the city currently. Would love to see this kind of density along the 417.
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I saw that yesterday too. Is this one going ahead? Been pretty quiet? One of the more interesting proposals in the city currently. Would love to see this kind of density along the 417.
According to urbottawa on Skyrise, this one went through a second URDP review last week. Still very much active.
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I saw that yesterday too. Is this one going ahead? Been pretty quiet? One of the more interesting proposals in the city currently. Would love to see this kind of density along the 417.
According to an OBJ article, Brigil is hoping to break ground on this one later this year.
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According to an OBJ article, Brigil is hoping to break ground on this one later this year.
Amazing news!! Love the look & the scale of this development
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According to an OBJ article, Brigil is hoping to break ground on this one later this year.
Brigil hopes to launch development at former Greyhound bus station site later this year

David Sali, OBJ
February 9, 2024


Brigil hopes to break ground later this year on a mixed-use development project that could eventually see three highrises containing more than 1,000 residential units constructed at the site of the former Greyhound bus terminal on Catherine Street.

“Things are moving along well” on the proposal, the firm’s vice-president of development, Jessy Desjardins, said in an interview with OBJ this week.

The Gatineau-based firm has filed an application to build three towers ranging from 26 to 40 storeys at the 2.8-acre property on Catherine Street between Kent and Lyon streets. The developer bought the land in 2021 after the bus station shut down in the wake of the pandemic and demolished the building the following year.

The proposal is still winding its way through the approval process at the City of Ottawa, but Desjardins said he’s confident it will win council’s approval before the end of 2024.

The plan calls for towers of 26, 36 and 40 storeys, with two buildings facing Catherine Street and one fronting on Lyon Street. The project also includes townhouses and a six-storey residential building along Arlington Avenue as well as a 0.25-acre public park on the northeast corner of Arlington Avenue and Kent Street.

The project would include a total of about 1,030 residential units in a mix of studio, one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments. In addition, the plan calls for more than 20,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space that would be located mainly in a pair of six-storey podiums facing Catherine Street.

The proposal drew some criticism last summer from a prominent downtown business advocate who expressed concerns about the heights of the proposed towers and said she wanted to see more parkland included in the development.

At the time, Desjardins told OBJ Brigil had conducted several rounds of public consultations in 2021 and 2022 and took input from those sessions into account when devising its current proposal.

‘More community-oriented’ project

He said he believed the resulting plan is a “more community-oriented” project that focuses on residential, retail and green space.

“I think that’s what we delivered, and we’re very excited about the final proposal,” Desjardins said in an interview last June. “It’s definitely a project that we are very motivated by.”

The first phase of the development will see the creation of the public park and construction of adjoining market and events space as well as other services that could include a restaurant and artists’ studio, Desjardins said in this week’s interview with OBJ.

While that work is happening, Brigil plans to turn some of the remaining property into a “temporary public plaza” to “test ideas” for community programs that will attract people to the neighbourhood, he added.

“We are really looking to collaborate with the community on that one to see what we can do in the short term to improve the area,” Desjardins said.

Meanwhile, Brigil continues to shepherd a series of other projects through its development pipeline.

The closest to completion is a 28-storey rental tower at 99 Parkdale Ave., the second phase of a two-tower project. The 240-unit highrise should be ready for occupancy this fall, Desjardins said.

The developer also expects to start construction later this year on a pair of four-storey buildings and a 20-storey highrise at the site of a former strip mall on Ridgewood Avenue near Mooney’s Bay. That project will include a total of about 440 rental apartments.

“We’re pretty excited about that site,” Desjardins said.

Longer-term projects on Brigil’s docket include a three-building development on Baseline Road and a two-tower proposal for Richmond Road. The builder is still consulting with the public and city planners on those projects, Desjardins said.

In addition, he said the developer is “refining” its plan to build a residential highrise near the Bayshore Shopping Centre.

Brigil’s original proposal called for a 30-storey building with 330 rental apartments. After consulting with nearby residents and city planning officials, the firm is now hoping to gain approval for a taller tower of up to 40 storeys that would include as many as 370 units.

All projects in the company’s development queue are currently forecast as rental complexes, but Desjardins said that could change as time goes on.

“When we look at a site, depending on the market, we always have the opportunity to convert (units) to condos or rentals,” he said. “We’re pretty open to adapting to the market. Right now, people are looking more towards rentals.”

With interest rates at their highest level in decades and inflation driving up construction costs across the board, many developers have pressed pause on major projects in recent months.

But Desjardins said Brigil is “actively looking for new sites to develop” in the Ottawa region.

“I think it’s tricky for everybody,” he said of the current macroeconomic environment. “Everybody’s looking at ways to make the numbers work. But there’s a need for housing. So we’re working on ways to secure financing and make sure the numbers work. It’s not an easy market, but we’re confident about our projects.”

https://obj.ca/brigil-hopes-to-launc...ter-this-year/
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Didn't get a photo, but there was an excavator on site yesterday. Just maybe creeping towards becoming a reality?
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Hopefully it draws the eyes away from the sea of CharcWhites mushrooming out from the core.
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Update. Height changed from 40, 36 and 26 to 36, 34 and 32. Still over 30 at least. Podium has a bit less red and more shades. Same tower designs, which I was never a fan of.

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...3-0008/details





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