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Old Posted Apr 23, 2019, 3:06 PM
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I think Line 1 might actually hurt St. Laurent when it opens. Anyone on the LRT will be able to use it to get to Rideau just as easily.
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I think Line 1 might actually hurt St. Laurent when it opens. Anyone on the LRT will be able to use it to get to Rideau just as easily.
It could also go the other way if rents are cheaper at St Laurent, attracting retailers that find Rideau too expensive. St Laurent just needs to get its strategy right, maybe focus on making the entry from the LRT a lot more attractive — put a winter garden there, move the food court, etc., put in stuff the Rideau Centre doesn't have like stuff for kids.
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St, Laurent mall has a cinema, which could me a major asset.
But it is so well hidden that many don't even know it is there.
And the whole cinema area is not welcoming at all.
Want to have a coffee with friends at the nearby 2nd Cup?
Then you must sit very tightly in a very small fenced-off area.
Not a pleasant experience.
Thank you, but I'll go elsewhere for my coffee and my cinema.
I really don't think having a cinema in your mall in 2019 is considered an asset. I'm all-for the movie industry but cinemas are not exactly a hot commodity. As you point out it doesn't help that it's tucked away in the basement in a corner of the mall.
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People seem to have weirdly high expectations for a 2nd run movie theatre.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2019, 4:27 PM
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I feel like that's on par for the course. Rideau's cinema was hidden away, alone on the top floor. Same with World Exchange. Place de Ville was hidden in the centre of an office building (where were the entrances?) Les Promenades was the only one that had a prominent spot inside the mall.

The most successful cinemas are the ones that scream out to the world "look at me", like the monsters of suburban big box centres, Scotiabank Theaters in downtown areas like Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto and on a lesser level, Cineplex Lansdowne.
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I am excited for this. That land/space has so much potential. I hope Morguard gets aggressive with their plans.
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And yet, people find the cinema at St. Laurent useful for one reason and another.
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I just did a hard count : 19 shuttered store fronts and several low rent local retailers. It is close to dead mall status now.
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I just did a hard count : 19 shuttered store fronts and several low rent local retailers. It is close to dead mall status now.
Holy cow. How the mighty have fallen. So fast.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2019, 9:49 PM
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I just did a hard count : 19 shuttered store fronts and several low rent local retailers. It is close to dead mall status now.
Dead mall would mean that nobody goes there. Every time I go to STL it's pretty busy.

Carlingwood classifies as a dead mall, for me at least.
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'Deadmalls.com defines a dead mall as one having a occupancy rate in slow or steady decline of 70% or less.'

Must be close with Sears and 18 other stores closed!

http://www.deadmalls.com/dictionary.html
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I just did a hard count : 19 shuttered store fronts and several low rent local retailers. It is close to dead mall status now.
Hmm..let me guess. A place that sells knock off phone cases, booths in the hallways selling soaps, vacuum packed sausages, family crest/tartan stuff, framed photos of NHL stars that are signed, Bob Marley flag stuff, relaxation chairs
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'Deadmalls.com defines a dead mall as one having a occupancy rate in slow or steady decline of 70% or less.'

Must be close with Sears and 18 other stores closed!
With my rough math I think there has to be 30/35+ stores closed/storefronts empty for STL to reach that level. Directory lists more than 100 stores in the mall...

I'm not here to defend STL I just think there are malls that are way worse and way more dead than STL, and calling it a dead mall is a bit harsh.
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It seems like most of the recent closures have been related to the failure of chains rather than the St Laurent location of a successful chain closing.

The long LRT delay has no doubt been a factor as well. Commuters heading home have been unable to stop by for almost 5 years.
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I agree, St-Laurent might not be THE premium destination for shopping in Ottawa but it's nowhere near closing... When I was there, there mightve been 5-8 shops empty but at least half of them had signs up for new stores opening soon, so not like they are all sitting empty-empty forever...

And the mall is always busy.

The drawback I find is that it lacks the "cool" or "hip" fast-fashion chains like H&M, Forever 21, Zara which Rideau, Place, Bayshore all got.
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I agree, St-Laurent might not be THE premium destination for shopping in Ottawa but it's nowhere near closing... When I was there, there mightve been 5-8 shops empty but at least half of them had signs up for new stores opening soon, so not like they are all sitting empty-empty forever...

And the mall is always busy.

The drawback I find is that it lacks the "cool" or "hip" fast-fashion chains like H&M, Forever 21, Zara which Rideau, Place, Bayshore all got.
It also lacks "high end", although I guess that's not surprising.
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If they could just get a banana Republic and h&m I'd never go back to Rideau.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2019, 2:17 AM
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Nothing we haven't heard before.

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Morguard mulls major makeover at St. Laurent mall

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David Sali
June 5, 2019


The owners of the St. Laurent shopping centre say they are considering a “massive redevelopment” of the region’s third-largest mall that could include a hotel, office tower and residential complex.

Morguard CEO K. Rai Sahi told OBJ in a recent interview that the pending arrival of light rail opens up “all kinds of potential opportunities” at the retail and commercial complex five stops east of downtown.

In addition to the 865,000-square-foot shopping mall, Morguard also owns an 88,000-square-foot office building next door and has several acres of property ready to develop nearby, Sahi said.

With an LRT station just steps away set to open in mid-2019, “it becomes viable to put an office building in St. Laurent,” he said.

Sahi said Morguard is looking at various options for new construction projects at St. Laurent.

While the shopping centre will remain the key component, “you could see an office building coming up there, an apartment building coming up there, a hotel, or all of the above,” he added. “In the future, (St. Laurent) will be one of our core development opportunities.”

Morguard isn’t the first builder to see LRT-related development potential near shopping malls along the Confederation Line. A few kilometres east of St. Laurent, RioCan and Killam Apartment REIT are building hundreds of rental apartments near Blair station and Gloucester Centre.

Based in Mississauga, the Morguard group of companies is Ottawa’s largest commercial landlord with more than five million square feet of property. Long a major player in the Ottawa market, Morguard has become even more prominent in recent years following a number of acquisitions and high-profile builds.

New Hilton Hotels

The company recently opened a pair of Hilton-branded lodgings at its redeveloped Queen Street property, a project Sanjay Rateja, Morguard’s vice-president of hotel operations, called the “crown jewel” of its national portfolio. Late last year, Morguard announced it was buying 49.9 per cent of the 552,000-square-foot Jean Edmonds Towers office complex at 300 Slater St. and 365 Laurier Ave.

Among its other notable properties are the CBC broadcast centre at 181 Queen St. and Performance Court, a 360,000-square-foot office tower at 150 Elgin St. that it built on spec before attracting Shopify, CIBC, KPMG and other prominent tenants.

Spurred by the rise of “urban tech” firms such as Shopify and others, Ottawa’s commercial real estate market has experienced a bit of a renaissance over the past year or so.

According to Colliers International, the availability rate of downtown office space ​– the amount that’s on the leasing market, even if it’s currently occupied by existing tenants ​– fell from seven per cent in the last quarter of 2018 to just 4.8 per cent in the first three months of this year.

Although brokerage firm CBRE warned earlier this spring that the shortage of available commercial space in Ottawa is tying the hands of tenants looking to expand or relocate, Sahi said he’s not expecting a wave of new office developments any time soon.

“I don’t think anybody is building in a hurry on spec in the office (sector),” he said. “We might, depending on what happens.”

Sahi said Morguard owns several pockets of prime real estate in the core, including space next to Performance Court. He said much of the firm’s development strategy will hinge on what the city’s largest office tenant, the federal government, decides to do.

“Will they end up coming back to downtown as opposed to going to the suburbs? We’re hoping that the government will continue to grow.”

While Morguard keeps looking for opportunities to expand its footprint in the National Capital Region, Sahi noted that other dominant landlords such as Brookfield and big pension funds have scaled back their presence.

Brookfield, for example, divested itself of Jean Edmonds Towers last fall. A year earlier, the then-owners of Constitution Square ​– Oxford Properties, the real estate arm of the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System pension fund, and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board ​– sold the massive downtown office complex to a consortium of developers.

Meanwhile, Sahi said he remains as bullish as ever on the city.

“We basically love Ottawa,” he said. “It’s the capital of the country, and we don’t have very many major competitors.”
https://obj.ca/article/morguard-mulls-major-makeover-st-laurent-mall
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2019, 3:08 PM
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They should try to lure Uniqlo and Muji for Ottawa. The Toronto stores are madly popular.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2019, 3:22 PM
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I think they will have trouble attracting any major tenant until the LRT opens.
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