Great Northern Way Campus and Area Updates

[officedweller]

Inside the pavilion:


https://twitter.com/perkinswill_VAN

[PaperTiger]

Originally Posted by Changing City

As already posted above ... There's a fair amount of retail already proposed (and approved) but not on a streetcar high street. There's over 10,000 sq. ft. of retail under the approved office building at 339 E1st, and 45,000 sq. ft. in the approved Onni hotel / office / live-work project at 399 E1st. There will no doubt be more in further development proposals - stringing it out along Great Northern Way isn't the proposal here.

But "The City" is dumb and stupid and wrong headed! How can that be?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

As already posted above ... There's a fair amount of retail already proposed (and approved) but not on a streetcar high street. There's over 10,000 sq. ft. of retail under the approved office building at 339 E1st, and 45,000 sq. ft. in the approved Onni hotel / office / live-work project at 399 E1st. There will no doubt be more in further development proposals - stringing it out along Great Northern Way isn't the proposal here.

As already posted above, for retail and businesses to thrive in this area, retail needs to stretch from the Main Street skytrain station all the way to the OV village square, spanning multiple blocks for the convenience of residence, and not just stringing along old streetcar roads like Main St, which is old school during the time of automobile boom, and proven not to work well today. That's the point we are trying to carry across.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

As already posted above, for retail and businesses to thrive in this area, retail needs to stretch from the Main Street skytrain station all the way to the OV village square, spanning multiple blocks for the convenience of residence, and not just stringing along old streetcar roads like Main St, which is old school during the time of automobile boom, and proven not to work well today. That's the point we are trying to carry across.

Developers can build retail if they want to. Clearly they don't share your opinion. The retail we're seeing developed is mostly in clusters or along what you call 'old streetcar roads', which today is where the buses run, on Main Street, not on the parallel Quebec Street. Nobody is willing to take a huge leap of faith (and financial risk) that there are multiple retail users who would flock to this area if only there were more empty retail units. Instead, they're adding retail where they know they're also adding potential customers, around the future station near the Emily Carr campus, along Main and West 2nd, up Main to West Broadway (which hasn't really been a retail stretch before) and now as part of the new hospital plan.

All you need to do to convince us you're right, and the market is wrong, is become a developer, acquire some of the remaining undeveloped parcels, build retail, and wait to see if your opinion and the reality match.

[osirisboy]

Developers build whatever will make them the most money. Doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a need for something else.

That's why you see the city coming in and for example putting a haunt to residential in the cbd and encouraging commercial development instead

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Developers build whatever will make them the most money. Doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a need for something else.

That's why you see the city coming in and for example putting a haunt to residential in the cbd and encouraging commercial development instead

Absolutely, which neatly brings up the just completing office building on Great Northern Way in the commercial zoning that doesn't allow residential uses. [source]. There are several others already approved, and will be more after the SkyTrain extension is built.

[red-paladin]

Thread title updated to make more sense.

[officedweller]

From RJC twitter jan 2:


https://twitter.com/RJCvancouver

and Perkins Will Jan 7th (occupancy received):


https://twitter.com/perkinswill_VAN

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by officedweller

From RJC twitter jan 2:


https://twitter.com/RJCvancouver

and Perkins Will Jan 7th (occupancy received):


https://twitter.com/perkinswill_VAN

Originally Posted by rofina

I gather they must. I just find that completely surprising.

...yuck. That is... really horrible looking.

[osirisboy]

Wow I love it. That looks fantastic. On the other hand that new office building looks awful

[SpongeG]

it looks awesome. It will be a coffee shop?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

it looks awesome. It will be a coffee shop?

Yes - Nemesis coffee. They're in the SFU residential building on West Hastings.

[officedweller]

I like it.
The roofline even plays off the pagoda pavilion at the school across the street and down the street.

[Changing City]

The approved office rezoning near the Red Truck Brewery has been submitted for a Development Permit. It's a different architect, it appears to have a mass timber structure frame, and it will have white terracotta panels. More on the changing city blog - source of the image, and the City's website (for now).

[WarrenC12]

Completion should align nicely with the new Skytrain station very close by. I wonder what tenants will jump on this, unless it has already been spoken for?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The approved office rezoning near the Red Truck Brewery has been submitted for a Development Permit. It's a different architect, it appears to have a mass timber structure frame, and it will have white terracotta panels. More on the changing city blog - source of the image, and the City's website (for now).

Looks like many of those structures they are tearing down in downtown Vancouver. Only difference is those ones are better as they are concrete buildings. The tall buildings to replace those old structures will be better off if built here instead: more cost effective with lower final costs for buyers, and way better for the environment.

[officedweller]

I like the return to more solid looking designs rather than spandrel clad buildings.

[csbvan]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I like the return to more solid looking designs rather than spandrel clad buildings.

My thoughts exactly. This is a handsome building.

[fredinno]

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[officedweller]

I hadn't appreciated that the building above is a revised design of this one below, until I looked at the Changing City Updates website. Definite improvement, the old design would not have aged well.


https://changingcitybook.wordpress.c...st-1st-avenue/