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Money talks, not Balsillie
NHL warms to outspoken billionaire but in a matter of partial ownership

November 27, 2008
Steve Milton
The Hamilton Spectator

It's becoming obvious that Jim Balsillie will get his National Hockey League team.

The three major questions are: 'Where?' 'When?' And, 'How do we do it?, and still save face for Gary Bettman?'

Consider how quickly the schmozzle with La Presse disappeared last week.

The Montreal paper reported that the Waterloo billionaire had said the Canadiens were for sale. Balsillie denied that he had said it, and Habs' owner George Gillet, who was initially angry, then jumped vigorously to Balsillie's defence.

No other NHL governors -- and not even Bettman -- commented, and the controversy fizzled. Had this happened a year ago, NHL owners and their head office would still be slinging public mud northward.

That's one example of how big chunks of the league power structure have warmed to Balsillie, but there are other examples, most of them behind the scenes.

One scenario at play, of course, involves the bankruptcy hearings which include Boots Del Biaggio's suspiciously-financed 27 per cent ownership in the Nashville Predators.

Reports have linked Balsillie to the purchase of those shares. But the U.S. bankruptcy trustee is still deciding whether the shares are transferrable without the approval of the buyer by the Nashville ownership group and, ultimately, the NHL. That decision could take another few months and, given the past history of Balsillie and the Preds, approval would likely take much more time, if it came at all.

But the process, and positive comments from the likes of former NHL board chairman Harley Hotchkiss, indicate that the league likes the idea of Balsillie taking a partial share and playing nice with the other boys before he gets his own team. That was their plan for Del Biaggio, incidentally.

Still, it's unlikely Balsillie is putting all his eggs in the Preds' basket. He doesn't need to: there are too many other teams for sale, and the Nashville knot could take forever to unravel.

Florida, Atlanta or Phoenix may be available sooner. A few other teams have also contacted Balsillie in the past year.

And what of Buffalo? There has been no public confirmation that Tom Golisano wants out of the Sabres, but The Spec reported several months ago that there were preliminary rumblings he was thinking about selling the team he rescued from the junk heap.

Those rumblings have not gone away, especially with the economic downturn. Buffalo is a lot closer to Waterloo/Hamilton than Pittsburgh is, and Balsillie made a viable offer to buy the Pens 19 months ago
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Why does this Buffalo rumour keep popping up?

Hamilton would be the most hated team in NHL history if we stole the Sabres from Buffalo.

It would be like moving the Winnipeg Jets to some uncaring Southern American hotspot like Phoenix... oh wait... that actualy happened.
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If Buffalo does go on the selling block that would probably be Hamilton's best chance to obtain an NHL team. It'll stay close to the Buffalo market.

Poor Buffalo, Toronto could end up with the Bills and Hamilton with the Sabres.
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NHL's future lies in Canada, reports say

Matthew Coutts, National Post
Published: Saturday, November 29, 2008

Jim Balsillie's most recent attempt at NHL franchise ownership seems to indicate his intention of bringing another team to Canada hasn't waned, despite NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's sticking to the vision of growing the game in non-traditional U.S. markets.

But when looking at the economic case for a new team in Canada, compared with struggling U.S. franchises, sports economists routinely suggest there is no comparison.

"If you just look at the way things are right now, Canadian teams are in a better position than they have been at any time in the immediate past," said Ian Hudson, an economics professor at the University of Manitoba.

With a combination of a stronger Canadian dollar, revenue-sharing and salary-cap systems born from the NHL's 2004-2005 season lockout and a struggling economy that has forced people to focus their entertainment dollars, mid-sized Canadian cities such as Hamilton have become a sounder bet for long-term success.

"A place like Southern Ontario is no worse off than most of the United States. So if you are hunting for a franchise, you don't have to necessarily be fantastic, you just have to be better than other places that the franchise could go," Mr. Hudson said. "So if the economy is tanking in Southern Ontario, chances are good at least that it is going to be tanking in the United States."

As reported in the National Post last week, Mr. Balsillie is set to purchase a 27% minority stake in the struggling Nashville Predators NHL franchise. It will be the Research in Motion co-founder's third attempt to buy into the league. Previous attempts to buy a team - the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2006 and the Predators the year after - collapsed at the last moment after the league opposed his intentions to relocate the teams north.

Mr. Bettman recently said expansion and relocation were not on the league's current agenda but conceded placing another team in Southern Ontario was worth consideration, when the time comes.

While several Canadian cities have expressed interest in hosting a team and have a history of supporting hockey - such as Winnipeg, Kitchener and a hockey-starved Toronto desperate for a second option - Hamilton remains at the top of the list for many who see northern expansion as a logical step.

City councillor Whitehead has been a part of past attempts to land an expansion team and heads an ongoing grassroots campaign designed to keep Hamilton in the mix. He said it is politics, not questions of financial viability, that keeps Hamilton out of the league.

"Unfortunately, politics is getting in the way of a team being in the strongest, densest market in Canada. It's not about viability. I get tired of hearing that argument," he told the National Post. "We all know. Any of the pundits know. This is not about viability; this is about politics, and unfortunately politics don't always make good business decisions. We need to take the politics out and realize that there is a hunger in Southern Ontario that needs to be fed."

A recent study by Chicago-based Sportscorp suggests a second team in the Toronto area would be the third most valuable team in the league before even setting a skate on the ice - as much as US$600-million.

Sportscorp's Marc Ganis said he reached the number after factoring in what the Maple Leafs are worth, whether the market could absorb a second team, the general climate for sports franchises and the valuation of other teams in the NHL.

"Toronto is a unique market. Its size, its strength, its visibility its corporate base. The wealth of individuals. Just the sheer population size makes it a bit different," he said. "I think it could absorb a second team very well."

Other sports economists say hockey-mad Canada is better prepared to support a team than struggling southern markets, such as Phoenix and Nashville.

Nashville, a city of more than 550,000, has been struggling to support its NHL franchise since it arrived in 1998 as part of the NHL's push into non-traditional U.S. hockey markets.

The original owner, Craig Leipold, had to sell the franchise in 2007 after losing US$70-million over the first nine seasons.

He was open about the lack of corporate support for the Predators. According to Maury Brown, the president of the Business of Sports Network, the team remains in a "state of flux."

"Given the state of the economy, it's a lot more difficult mostly on the sponsorship side.... Renewal of sponsorships are going to be a problem" for bellwether teams in any league, he said, specifically for the struggling Sun Belt teams in the NHL.

Mr. Brown added that the Predators are also competing for corporate and fan attention with the NFL's Tennessee Titans, which are having an excellent season. "That makes it difficult to sustain it."

The focus on NHL expansion into southern U.S. markets has been met with middling success. Franchises such as Anaheim and Dallas have landed on solid footing while others, specifically Phoenix and Nashville, remain in a state of financial uncertainty.

Forbes magazine currently ranks the Predators as the 23rd most valuable franchise, valued at just over US$160-million. According to Forbes, the team lost US$1.3-million last season. Meanwhile, the attendance at Predators games is down to an average of 13,800, the third lowest in the league and a drop of 600 from the same time last season.

By comparison, the health of Canada's six current teams has never been stronger. Forbes ranks Toronto as the most profitable team in the league. Montreal, Vancouver and Ottawa are not much further down the list, while Edmonton and Calgary - two teams struggling to survive pre-lockout - are turning an annual profit.

No Canadian team is receiving money from the league's revenue-sharing assistance program, which takes money collected from the top 10 money earners and shares it among the most financially challenged teams, including Nashville.

"One of the surest investments right now, I think in the world, would be a second NHL franchise in Southern Ontario. Everyone I have talked to, and any economist report, tell us it is a job creator and it's a profit maker," said Oakville MPP Kevin Flynn, who is preparing to petition the Ontario government to push for a second NHL team in the Greater Toronto Area.

"It really is the centre of the hockey world. This is what we are known for."

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I often wonder what Jim Balsillie's renovation plans are for Copps Coliseum should this thing ever happen for Hamilton --- the arena is clearly pretty far from being NHL-ready at this point.

He clearly has something in mind, but as much as I like Copps, at this point I am wondering if a whole new arena would not be a better way to go. I am not sure if you can eliminate shortcomings like the too-narrow concourse without rebuilding from scratch.

Arenas in Miami and Charlotte that were constructed after Copps Coliseum have already been demolished in favour of more modern buildings --- I find that insane, but maybe it woulld be a good idea here as well.
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I think the renovation they've talked about (which involves lifting the roof) to provide an extra deck of seats and about 200 luxury boxes is more than good enough for an NHL team.

However, if the $140m for renovating is correct - you have to wonder if paying an extra $60 million for a brand new state-of-the-art arena wouldn't be the best thing to do. $140m to renovate seems kind of high to me.

It would just feel wasteful to tear down an arena after only 23 years, especially when it seems like it was underused during that time.
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If Di Ianni is right that money figure for renovation would be more than just Copps Coliseum.
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If Di Ianni is right that money figure for renovation would be more than just Copps Coliseum.
I imagine that the "big bang" stuff that Di Ianni referenced would be over and above the numbers listed for Copps and would be much more theoretical in nature.

Where did that $140 million number come from? I think that I have read similar figures before in past articles, but I am not sure I recall where (the National Post about a year ago, perhaps?) or if any of them are real or just guesswork.
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I read it a few places as well... here's one article mentioning the range of a few million to $140m to renovate:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story...opps-design-15/BNStory/GlobeSportsHockey

$140 to renovate the arena alone just sounds too high. I have to believe that includes some renovations to other buildings that JB had interest in (ie. Hamilton Place, Convention Centre, etc).

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I looked back as well and it included a "community rink for practice".
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I read it a few places as well... here's one article mentioning the range of a few million to $140m to renovate:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story...opps-design-15/BNStory/GlobeSportsHockey

$140 to renovate the arena alone just sounds too high. I have to believe that includes some renovations to other buildings that JB had interest in (ie. Hamilton Place, Convention Centre, etc).
If a team does move here he should build a hotel on York right near Copps.
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I read it a few places as well... here's one article mentioning the range of a few million to $140m to renovate:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story...opps-design-15/BNStory/GlobeSportsHockey

$140 to renovate the arena alone just sounds too high. I have to believe that includes some renovations to other buildings that JB had interest in (ie. Hamilton Place, Convention Centre, etc).
I don't find the $140MM to be too difficult to believe. New NHL rinks cost on the order of $300MM to $400MM, and from what I have read, Copps needs a total "gutting" (http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/220335) to bring it up to snuff. Heck, the Hamilton Bulldogs have been complaining for years that the arena is not up to even AHL standards.

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I don't find the $140MM to be too difficult to believe. New NHL rinks cost on the order of $300MM to $400MM, and from what I have read, Copps needs a total "gutting" (http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/220335) to bring it up to snuff. Heck, the Hamilton Bulldogs have been complaining for years that the arena is not up to even AHL standards.
Ted, your link points to an article on Brian Burke (you big Leaf fan, you ).

Maybe I'm just thinking of a basic arena that has the seating and a good number of private box - and just skimping on the other luxuries. A gutting seems extreme, but I'm not an architect and I don't know all the details of what makes an arena work well. If Copps can't meet AHL standards (especially with only 2,000+ fans each game) then many AHL teams would need an upgrade in arenas because there are plenty worse out there.

One problem I have is if Hamilton requires a new arena, then it doesn't have an edge over Kitchener-Waterloo getting a team. In fact K-W would have the advantage since RIM owns land there that can house an arena and they're outside of the Toronto-Buffalo "bitch and whine radius". Of course Copps could be used while a new arena were to be built on a different site - so that's an advantage... but hopefully that site is still in Hamilton.

I think Hamilton is currently in the best situation now to get a team with many US teams being so borderline in the best of economic times - nevermind what they'll be going through in the next year. I just don't want them to blow it. If it doesn't happen soon, I fear that it will never happen. Anyways, here's an interesting article on the troubles the NHL will be facing:

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story...feature29/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home
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Ted, your link points to an article on Brian Burke (you big Leaf fan, you ).
I accidentally included the right parenthesis in the hyperlink. Remove that and all will be fine --- I have edited my original post to make the hyperlink work.
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If we get the PanAm Games? Is KW included in the Golden Horseshoe bid?
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Downturn likely to hit NHL hard
On the bright side, it could result in another team north of the border

December 02, 2008
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http://www.thespec.com/Sports/article/475465

The NHL will likely find itself on financial thin ice if this recession deepens, according to many leading economists and financiers in the sports community.

With no substantial American TV contract, teams in questionable, non-traditional markets and a falling Canadian dollar, the National Hockey League will suffer more than North America's other major sports leagues in a prolonged economic downturn, according to those experts.

The upside for Canadian hockey fans is that those economic woes could mean another team north of the border as owners look to the game's hotbeds as an economic salve.

"Hockey is the most vulnerable and that's primarily because of the lack of a TV contract in the United States," said Richard Powers, associate dean at Rotman School of Business at the University of Toronto. "I really do think we're going to see some contraction and/or relocation. And it's very likely we're going to see another franchise in Canada."

The experts generally agreed the NFL would emerge from the economic downturn largely unscathed because of its mass appeal, enormous stadia, short season and affordable ticket prices.

The NFL's TV deal alone is worth $2.2 billion US. While the NBA and major league baseball also have hefty price tags on their broadcast rights, the NHL gives their games away to NBC for free south of the border under a profit-sharing arrangement.

"The NHL is much more dependent on gate revenue than TV revenue," said Phillip Miller, an associate professor of economics at Minnesota State University. "That makes it more susceptible to the ups and downs of the economy."

According to various sources, the NFL is the financial king of North American sports, generating an estimated $6.5 billion in annual revenue, followed by major league baseball at $6 billion, the NBA at $3.6 billion and the NHL at $2.5 billion.

The league's board of governors will meet later this month, and the state of the economy is on their agenda.

"We, the Leafs, are looking forward to that discussion so we can hear how healthy the league is," said Richard Peddie, president of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.

Other warning signs for the NHL:

* It has failing teams in questionable markets.

* It has heavily indebted owners at a time when there is a crisis in the credit industry.

* It has a history of teams and owners going bankrupt. And it has more turnover among ownership than the other major leagues.

Since 1999, 20 teams have changed owners completely, or had significant changes to their ownership structure.

"Like any other business, NHL owners are not immune to the credit crisis," said Powers. "They're going to face the same issues that other businesses are facing. It will hurt. And it may mean -- for owners looking for liquidity -- these will be the first things to go."
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One problem I have is if Hamilton requires a new arena, then it doesn't have an edge over Kitchener-Waterloo getting a team. In fact K-W would have the advantage since RIM owns land there that can house an arena and they're outside of the Toronto-Buffalo "bitch and whine radius". Of course Copps could be used while a new arena were to be built on a different site - so that's an advantage... but hopefully that site is still in Hamilton.
Does the RIM land really matter? RIM isn't buying a team, Balsillie would
be. I can't think RIM shareholders would be happy about RIM buying
land for the purpose of housing their CEO's team. Although I'm sure if
Balsillie did want to locate it KW, there's plenty more land around.
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I think the idea is that RIM would sell the land to Balsillie if or when he successfully acquired a team. There's talk of building a new hockey arena in Kitchener, but in the downtown area; the RIM-owned land is in the newly-developed industrial areas on the fringes of Waterloo and Cambridge--convenient, but not exactly accessible to those in Kitchener and downtown areas.
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