Canadian Airport Thread II

[hollywoodcory]

Also WS has its 789 scheduled on YYC-LAX from April 28 5x weekly.

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Also WS has its 789 scheduled on YYC-LAX from April 28 5x weekly.

Is this a mistake? That seems weird and not a good use of a 787, especially in that wind down of sun flying and ramp up of Europe flying!

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

Is this a mistake? That seems weird and not a good use of a 787, especially in that wind down of sun flying and ramp up of Europe flying!

Is it possibly some slack in the fleet. With spring break happening around then and Mexico 787 usage winding down. Might be filling some gaps?

[thenoflyzone]

There is definitely slack in the WS 787 fleet, just like last summer, but a bit less, since the routes that are replacing LGW are all longer. So could be LAX was chosen for this very reason. It could also be that instead of rotating that spare frame to YYZ, a route that is massively crowded, they probably feel LAX will yield better. Could be either/or, or a combo of the two.

[casper]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

There is definitely slack in the WS 787 fleet, just like last summer, but a bit less, since the routes that are replacing LGW are all longer. So could be LAX was chosen for this very reason. It could also be that instead of rotating that spare frame to YYZ, a route that is massively crowded, they probably feel LAX will yield better. Could be either/or, or a combo of the two.

I wonder if cargo plays a role in this. They are more likely to be able to generate some revenue moving cargo between Europe and California.

[peytol]

Originally Posted by casper

I wonder if cargo plays a role in this. They are more likely to be able to generate some revenue moving cargo between Europe and California.

I thought about that also, but you would think it would make more sense to send one of the 737 freighters sitting around doing nothing instead.

Either way LAX is a market Westjet knows very well, so its not like its some huge risk they are taking, Just a way to keep a 787 moving.

[hollywoodcory]

Additionally WS filed its initial W24 schedule. Here's its initially planned changes to the 787 schedule:

YYC-LHR 1x daily
YYC-CUN 1x daily
YYZ-CUN 1x daily
YYC-PVR 6x weekly
YYC-CDG 4x weekly
YYC-NRT 3x weekly

YYC-FCO runs 3x weekly until November 16 / BCN runs until November 9. It seems every year they extend FCO's season. Both appear to resume in March/April.

Additionally YYC-BNA also appears to be going year-round too?

[Dominion301]

PD and TS want to form a joint venture. Here's the press release: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...854649926.html

Wonder if this means whether Transat will actually look at serving YOW again transatlantic from 2025 onward or continue to keep their token winter presence.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

PD and TS want to form a joint venture. Here's the press release: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...854649926.html

Wonder if this means whether Transat will actually look at serving YOW again transatlantic from 2025 onward or continue to keep their token winter presence.

I don't know about that. I could see Porter expand service into the US out of Toronto and Montreal timed to provide connections onto Transat European service. Basically do what Air Canada and WestJet are doing with Europe.

[nname]

Originally Posted by casper

I don't know about that. I could see Porter expand service into the US out of Toronto and Montreal timed to provide connections onto Transat European service. Basically do what Air Canada and WestJet are doing with Europe.

PD and TS already codeshare for the YYZ flights from the west. Not sure about YUL though.. since PD is building YHU. I guess PD will going to build bases at both airports, similar to YYZ/YTZ? But not sure if Montreal would have the demand for PD to provide high frequency routes out of both airports, as per their business model.

[samuelx88]

Originally Posted by casper

I don't know about that. I could see Porter expand service into the US out of Toronto and Montreal timed to provide connections onto Transat European service. Basically do what Air Canada and WestJet are doing with Europe.

Or maybe YQB will benefit even more from this joint venture than YOW, since TS has always been more generous with YQB. Next summer, TS will serve YQB-CDG 4x weekly and YQB-LGW 1x weekly. But YUL and YYZ will get the most out of it for sure.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

PD and TS want to form a joint venture. Here's the press release: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...854649926.html

Wonder if this means whether Transat will actually look at serving YOW again transatlantic from 2025 onward or continue to keep their token winter presence.

It does present interesting opportunities for sure. Let's see how this develops.

TS doesn't really need additional feed for their European runs from YYZ/YUL, as the O&D plus the feed they already have can fill those flights well enough. This being said, some moves could be made at YUL. I can see PD takeover YUL-LAX/SFO/YVR/YYC from TS. Considering PD has plans to operate 100 E2s, they will need to find routes for these planes, and the JV with TS opens up such opportunities.

The feed would be needed if adding TATL flights from YOW and YQB, or even returning to long haul ops out of YVR. AC/WS have reduced their TATL footprint out of YVR, so TS might have an opportunity here to restart long haul out of YVR to places like BCN or FCO, with the right partner out west.

Let's see how this develops. PD and TS aren't there yet. PD will need to boost its presence in the west (especially YVR) significantly for that to happen. PD transcons from YUL and TS TATL from YOW and more from YQB, I can see happening fairly soon if/when this gets approved.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by samuelx88

Or maybe YQB will benefit even more from this joint venture than YOW, since TS has always been more generous with YQB. Next summer, TS will serve YQB-CDG 4x weekly and YQB-LGW 1x weekly. But YUL and YYZ will get the most out of it for sure.

That would require PD building connections at YQB beyond YTZ though. Highly improbable. Probable that PD add a couple of daily E95s to YYZ though down the road and probable the announced but never started YQB-YOW does in fact eventually start.

You highlight something. YQB-LGW - demand out of Ottawa to London is probably quintuple or more that of YQB, yet YQB is currently the airport with seasonal nonstops to LON.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

It does present interesting opportunities for sure. Let's see how this develops.

TS doesn't really need massive feed for their European runs from YYZ/YUL, as the O&D alone can fill those flights well enough. The feed would be needed if adding TATL flights from YOW and YQB, or even returning to long haul ops out of YVR. AC/WS have reduced their TATL footprint out of YVR, so TS might have an opportunity here to restart long haul out of YVR to places like BCN or FCO, with the right partner out west.

Let's see how this develops. PD and TS aren't there yet. PD will need to boost its presence in the west (especially YVR) significantly for that to happen. But YOW/YQB TATL additions I can see happening fairly soon if this gets approved.

Agreed. TS could easily base 1 to start and later 2 or 3 321LRs at YOW if there was substantial feed. TS' summer loads at YYZ and YUL to Europe are probably already around 90% affording very little additional incremental traffic. The 321 is the perfectly sized aircraft for YOW-Europe beyond CDG.

Obviously TS/PD wouldn't mention YOW in this initial PR as they'd be showing their cards prematurely.

[cranes]

YKF Updates

https://www.waterlooairport.ca/Modul...e-54947a74d154
Waterloo Wellington Flight Centre breaks ground on new Aviation SIM Centre and Innovation Hub
News Releases Posted October 31, 2023

Waterloo Region – The Waterloo Wellington Flight Centre (WWFC) is excited to announce that today they broke ground on a 3,300 square-foot expansion project that will transform their existing Advanced Training Centre into a cutting-edge Flight SIM Centre and Innovation Hub...

https://www.therecord.com/news/water...25e6b023c.html
Flair Airlines vows to restore Canadian destinations next summer after focusing winter routes to southern sunspots
Winter schedule focuses on sun destinations
Jeff Outhit Record Reporter November 1, 2023

WATERLOO REGION — Flair Airlines will restore flights to Canadian destinations from the regional airport next summer, after concentrating winter routes to warmer destinations in Mexico and the U.S.
By summer 2024, passengers can expect to see a return of flights between the Region of Waterloo International Airport and cities such as Halifax, Charlottetown, Abbotsford, B.C., and Winnipeg.
...
Lund said passengers can expect an increase of 30 to 40 per cent in summer flights connected to Kitchener. “We are increasing the service and the number of frequencies operating on a number of routes out of Kitchener, as well as extending more of those southern destinations into the summer season,” he said...

https://www.therecord.com/news/flair...973c28c32.html
Flair Airlines will fly Kitchener to St. John's next summer
Airline is concentrating winter routes on U.S. and Mexican destinations
November 9, 2023

WATERLOO REGION For the first time, Flair Airlines intends to fly passengers between Kitchener and St. John's, N.L., starting next spring.
Flights on the new route will begin May 6 and continue until Oct. 25, starting with two flights per week out of the Region of Waterloo International Airport and increasing to three weekly flights by May 27.
The budget airline announced the destination Thursday as part of a suite of new routes to connect Atlantic Canada to Ontario next year. The airline will also bring back a previous route between Kitchener and Deer Lake, N.L., starting May 25...

[Dominion301]

PD are exercising 25 of their 50 purchase rights into firm orders.

https://simpleflying.com/porter-airl...e2-firm-order/

[peytol]

Wow Porter is really going all in, I hope it works out for them.

Can anyone think of a non established airline taking 25 planes a year? Especially bold move in a stagnant, established economy like Canada.

My hunch was AC or WJ have no interest in a take over, but this seems like it would close the door to that, why would they want the burden of 75 leased E2's that porter already skimmed all the sale and lease back money from.

[Dominion301]

Yesterday marked the inaugurals for PD's YOW-FLL & YYZ-FLL.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...815877112.html

[samuelx88]

Air Liaison is launching a new 1x weekly direct flight between YQB and YYZ, with only a 1 week notice before the first flight (8th of December) and fares from 100$

Fridays 17:50 - 19:26 DU800 YQB-YYZ
Sundays 18:00 - 19:36 DU801 YYZ-YQB

Most likely operated with their crj200 from Pivot

[Pellimo]

Originally Posted by samuelx88

Air Liaison is launching a new 1x weekly direct flight between YQB and YYZ, with only a 1 week notice before the first flight (8th of December) and fares from 100$

Fridays 17:50 - 19:26 DU800 YQB-YYZ
Sundays 18:00 - 19:36 DU801 YYZ-YQB

Most likely operated with their crj200 from Pivot

interesting price

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by peytol

Wow Porter is really going all in, I hope it works out for them.

Can anyone think of a non established airline taking 25 planes a year? Especially bold move in a stagnant, established economy like Canada.

My hunch was AC or WJ have no interest in a take over, but this seems like it would close the door to that, why would they want the burden of 75 leased E2's that porter already skimmed all the sale and lease back money from.

The Deluce modus operandi to date has been to build an asset then sell it on for money to fund their next venture. There isn't room in Canada for all the carriers that we currently have, so perhaps someone will buy them out before they lose too much money. Problem is the E195 wouldn't be the greatest fit for any of the other carrier's fleets.