PHILADELPHIA | 76 Place | GENERAL DISCUSSION - Page 13

BroadandMarket · #**241** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

The part of the Gallery that's going to be demolished is probably the most engaging. Push the Sixers to build a replacement directly across Market and it's a win all the way around. Macerich already owns that block, correct?

There's not enough space. Market to Filbert is way bigger than Market to Ludlow. Also there's some cool architecture worth saving on that block. Robison building, Rite Aid building, Kai Sushi and a few others. I'm sure AMC and Round 1 can be moved easier than an arena can be moved.

PHLtoNYC · #**242** Posted **Jul 12, 2024, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

There's not enough space. Market to Filbert is way bigger than Market to Ludlow. Also there's some cool architecture worth saving on that block. Robison building, Rite Aid building, Kai Sushi and a few others. I'm sure AMC and Round 1 can be moved easier than an arena can be moved.

The Robinson Building sits in the middle of the most decrepit block in Center City. It would need to be demolished for any sizeable redevelopment. The Kai Sushi building could potentially be saved since its at the far SE corner of that block.

Knight Hospitaller · #**243** Posted **Jul 13, 2024, 12:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

There's not enough space. Market to Filbert is way bigger than Market to Ludlow. Also there's some cool architecture worth saving on that block. Robison building, Rite Aid building, Kai Sushi and a few others. I'm sure AMC and Round 1 can be moved easier than an arena can be moved.

I meant move AMC and round one to the Robinson block

Gatorade_Jim · #**244** Posted **Jul 13, 2024, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

The Robinson Building sits in the middle of the most decrepit block in Center City. It would need to be demolished for any sizeable redevelopment. The Kai Sushi building could potentially be saved since its at the far SE corner of that block.

Yeah that block is the only one in Center City that I've ever felt truly uncomfortable on. I went to the Spirit Halloween there in October and walked by an encampment of people doing drugs and seemingly setting up a house in one of the store alcoves. I had never seen anything like that in Center City. It's really unfortunate. I hope the Robinson building could be saved. I think Jay had talked about a potential movie theater conversion. That would be awesome.

summersm343 · #**245** Posted **Jul 18, 2024, 7:39 PM**

Ownership threatening to move the team to Camden, NJ now. Can’t say I’m surprised given all the pushback they had on the Marker East location.

Urbanthusiat · #**246** Posted **Jul 18, 2024, 7:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Ownership threatening to move the team to Camden, NJ now. Can’t say I’m surprised given all the pushback they had on the Marker East location.

Personally I think this is just to put pressure on the city to move on this. I don’t see how it makes ANY business sense to put a major river between your arena and 3/4ths of your fanbase. It becomes a huge barrier for people - physically and mentally - to schlep over to Jersey, when going to a game is already quite a production. I know I for one would cancel my partial season ticket plan if this happened. Sure, it becomes easier for a quarter of the fanbase, but does that make up for making it harder for 3/4’s of the fanbase? I doubt it.

BroadandMarket · #**247** Posted **Jul 18, 2024, 8:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

Personally I think this is just to put pressure on the city to move on this. I don’t see how it makes ANY business sense to put a major river between your arena and 3/4ths of your fanbase. It becomes a huge barrier for people - physically and mentally - to schlep over to Jersey, when going to a game is already quite a production. I know I for one would cancel my partial season ticket plan if this happened. Sure, it becomes easier for a quarter of the fanbase, but does that make up for making it harder for 3/4’s of the fanbase? I doubt it.

Yeah this was always coming. Tax credits or not, if they're in Camden, it's not a better location than Wells Fargo Center. It would nullify the Sixers having the superior arena for concerts, NCAA tournament, WNBA, college basketball (Nova, Temple) and conferences (DNC etc). All of those things besides maybe WNBA would stay at WFC. Villanova ain't playing in Camden. NCAA tournament won't be in Camden etc. etc. Also I would think there is a massive pushback from Freedom Mortgage Pavilion. This would end them. The Mann is already the superior venue. An arena would have the same capacity but no threat of bad weather for concerts (cold and rain). I know Chester is a lot further from Philly but just look at what the wrong location can do. I actually think the traffic in Camden would be 100 times worse than center city. One Patco stop 15 minutes from the waterfront is not sufficient. If you've ever been to a show at Freedom Mortgage...it's a shit show getting out. Lots of shortcuts through awful neighborhoods.

I still believe they're committed to center city and it will happen because of Parker, Squilla and the unions. You also don't build a 400 foot residential tower in Camden...

PurpleWhiteOut · #**248** Posted **Jul 18, 2024, 10:00 PM**

While I'm both sure this is a ploy, and I'm certain Parker will make this happen for the unions, I'd say fine, let them go to Camden. This has no business being anywhere near Center City's only ER

ok-ez · #**249** Posted **Sep 3, 2024, 8:21 PM**

New proposal would turn Philly’s Fashion District into a biomedical hub instead of a Sixers arena
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240903.html

BroadandMarket · #**250** Posted **Sep 3, 2024, 8:56 PM**

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New proposal would turn Philly’s Fashion District into a biomedical hub instead of a Sixers arena
https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240903.html

The Inquirer and Comcast Spectacor stoop even lower...

This isn't a real proposal. It's just like the 2 billion sports complex proposal. They haven't submitted any materials to the CDR. They are just trying to make the 76ers look like the bad guy.

"Members of the civic association’s directing board were told that the Jefferson health system, which operates nearby Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, was aware and interested in the proposal. No Jefferson official attended the meeting, held at a borrowed work space at Broad and Locust Streets."

haha it seems like Jefferson knows this isn't real either. I really hope the 76ers build at Market East. If not, it will be the biggest what if for Philadelphia in the last 50 years.

bdurk · #**251** Posted **Sep 4, 2024, 1:12 PM**

I got told I was a moron on Twitter for saying that Comcast was obviously astroturfing this whole thing. This is another obvious example of it. First it was Chinatown being razed, then that Jefferson Station wouldn't have any light in it, then a biomedical hub, blah blah blah. This thing is getting built and Comcast is seething at the thought of it right now. I like how somehow the picture has been painted that the Sixers are the evil corporation in this fight. It might genuinely be the first time some of the public has considered Comcast to be the "good guys."

BroadandMarket · #**252** Posted **Sep 4, 2024, 2:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by bdurk

I got told I was a moron on Twitter for saying that Comcast was obviously astroturfing this whole thing. This is another obvious example of it. First it was Chinatown being razed, then that Jefferson Station wouldn't have any light in it, then a biomedical hub, blah blah blah. This thing is getting built and Comcast is seething at the thought of it right now. I like how somehow the picture has been painted that the Sixers are the evil corporation in this fight. It might genuinely be the first time some of the public has considered Comcast to be the "good guys."

Yeah it's clear that Comcast never cared about Chinatown, they just desperately don't want the 76ers to move.

I still believe the arena will be built at 11th and Market. The 76ers have put in too much work if their intent was to move to Camden. An arena in an isolated part of Camden does nothing for their vision and money. Wells Fargo Center would remain the premiere arena in Philadelphia, the NCAA, Villanova, DNC, Disney on Ice etc would stay at WFC before going to Camden, especially North Camden. Also a 400 foot residential tower isn't getting built anywhere in Camden.

The location NJ suggested at the old prison is not a suitable site. It's in North Camden, 20 minutes walk from City Hall Patco stop. If you think center city will be a traffic nightmare, a north Camden arena would be 1000 times worse. It's not walkable or accessible to public transit. If the 76ers ended up in Camden, it would be near their practice facility and BB&T.

Shame on the Inquirer for more bias reporting. Every report about the 76ers arena included something about how it would destroy Chinatown but there is no mention of the Camden residents near a potential new arena in North Camden?

This is a block away from the location. Chinatown is the in heart of the city, surrounded by density and skyscrapers. An arena in North Camden is way more disruptive and threatening to a 2 story rowhome neighborhood like this.

Lastly, shame on NJ. Camden tax credits have been given out like candy for 20 years and they haven't seen much improvement. The 76ers, Suburu etc. That didn't make any jobs for Camden residents. I was hoping without Norcross in the way, Camden could see organic development.

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate...-20240903.html

reparcsyks · #**253** Posted **Sep 4, 2024, 4:52 PM**

Terrible, terrible use for this space in the heart of the city. Best case scenario will always be to tear the whole thing down and let an entity like Post Bros or National reimagine a mega live/shop/work complex with 10-30 story towers --- but since that will never happen, the arena is definitely a better fit than a biomedical hub, which belongs in West Philly around 38th Street. Jesus, this city always gets it wrong.

3rd&Brown · #**254** Posted **Sep 4, 2024, 6:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by reparcsyks

Terrible, terrible use for this space in the heart of the city. Best case scenario will always be to tear the whole thing down and let an entity like Post Bros or National reimagine a mega live/shop/work complex with 10-30 story towers --- but since that will never happen, the arena is definitely a better fit than a biomedical hub, which belongs in West Philly around 38th Street. Jesus, this city always gets it wrong.

It's not the city. It's a last minute ploy from Comcast to try and keep them in South Philly. Comcast Spectacor is just throwing shit at the wall at this point. It's disappointing that the "proposal" is even given the light of day given how obvious the motives are.

reparcsyks · #**255** Posted **Sep 5, 2024, 3:02 AM**

I know it isn't the city, per se, but this proposal shouldn't even be taken seriously.

Redddog · #**256** Posted **Sep 5, 2024, 2:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by reparcsyks

I know it isn't the city, per se, but this proposal shouldn't even be taken seriously.

It's not being taken seriously. And the Inky should be condemned for even running this piece.

bdurk · #**257** Posted **Sep 6, 2024, 5:20 PM**

Another sham of an Inquirer article posted today:

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/ph...MaAqViEALw_wcB

I unsubscribed to them two days ago because of their coverage recently which has been utterly ridiculous and incredibly biased towards Comcast. Honestly I never had a strong opinion on the arena but god I hope it gets built now just to spite Comcast and all of the idiots who think they're on the "right" side of things by being against it. This arena will be built and Chinatown is going to be just fine, which just as many parking lots as they have right now. I wish the council and mayor would just make a decision on it already, it's driving me insane. I also think it's hilarious that there is a protest at City Hall this SATURDAY, when no one is working there...lol. Rant over, sorry.

Mr Saturn64 · #**258** Posted **Sep 8, 2024, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by bdurk

Another sham of an Inquirer article posted today:

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/ph...MaAqViEALw_wcB

I unsubscribed to them two days ago because of their coverage recently which has been utterly ridiculous and incredibly biased towards Comcast. Honestly I never had a strong opinion on the arena but god I hope it gets built now just to spite Comcast and all of the idiots who think they're on the "right" side of things by being against it. This arena will be built and Chinatown is going to be just fine, which just as many parking lots as they have right now. I wish the council and mayor would just make a decision on it already, it's driving me insane. I also think it's hilarious that there is a protest at City Hall this SATURDAY, when no one is working there...lol. Rant over, sorry.

Here's a general question: do the people who own the Inquirer have any other connections or interests? I know the national MSM outlets are always suspect to scrutiny on this, but does the Inquirer have anything similar going on?

Arch+Eng · #**259** Posted **Sep 9, 2024, 12:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64

Here's a general question: do the people who own the Inquirer have any other connections or interests? I know the national MSM outlets are always suspect to scrutiny on this, but does the Inquirer have anything similar going on?

A quick google search says that The Inquirer is owned by the Philadelphia Foundation (a non profit)....and look who there biggest donor is...

BroadandMarket · #**260** Posted **Sep 10, 2024, 2:15 PM**

“We have not been approached by Comcast regarding [the] Fashion District,” said Kurt Ivey, senior vice president of marketing at Macerich, in a recent email. “We can tell you, we are very excited to be working with the Sixers on their new arena.”

This tells you everything you need to know. Comcast Spectacor has not approached the owners of the mall with their plan haha.

https://whyy.org/articles/philadelph...blQAKNvth2twYg