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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 6:24 PM
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yeah. I've pretty much learned that when you post something, you have one thing right and one thing wrong every time.

Canteen was Matt Carter's concept downtown. He withdrew from the project when Nine|05 failed.

Apparently the coincidence of two places having the same name is unimaginable to you.

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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 6:48 PM
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 6:55 PM
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yeah. I've pretty much learned that when you post something, you have one thing right and one thing wrong every time.

Canteen was Matt Carter's concept downtown. He withdrew from the project when Nine|05 failed.

Apparently the coincidence of two places having the same name is unimaginable to you.

I think the coincidence was actually that one was called Canteen & had a tequila bar attached to it called El Ray...and this one is just both concepts mashed together and called Canteen. It's a coincidence like how Armegeddon AND Deep Impact came out about the same time. Seems like someone stole an idea.

Also, it is hard following all of this stuff from Seattle. Gimme a break
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 7:58 PM
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I have two pictures. Let's see if I can get them up here.



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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 10:49 PM
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^ Maybe Tempe will need to change their name to "Skeeter Flats." Will need to do so if they don't get the insects under control.

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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 11:01 PM
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My initial reaction was that this isn't as bad as it looks. Tempe was already planning on replacing the dams, already has a lot of the parts on hand, and Bridgestone has already agreed to pay a substantial portion of that cost due to the warranty issues. Another major cost that I haven't really seen talked about though is all the private equipment that has almost certainly been damaged by this. All those boats in the marina and the floating docks around the lake probably sustained a fair amount of damage, and the city of Tempe is probably going to be liable for a lot of that damage.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2010, 11:10 PM
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My initial reaction was that this isn't as bad as it looks. Tempe was already planning on replacing the dams, already has a lot of the parts on hand, and Bridgestone has already agreed to pay a substantial portion of that cost due to the warranty issues. Another major cost that I haven't really seen talked about though is all the private equipment that has almost certainly been damaged by this. All those boats in the marina and the floating docks around the lake probably sustained a fair amount of damage, and the city of Tempe is probably going to be liable for a lot of that damage.
From the looks of the docks that I saw, they all seemed to be ok. The lake wasn't that deep so they are just resting on the wall and ground.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 12:01 AM
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It's obvious that they'll fill lake back up but when?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 12:06 AM
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According to the City Council member on NPR this morning, all of the boats are fine.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 1:26 AM
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It's obvious that they'll fill lake back up but when?
There was a story in the republic say they would have it ready by the Iron Man in November. Looks like they are going to replace all the bladders now that there is no water to worry about. It said they are going to release water from Roosevelt to fill it back up.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 1:56 AM
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There was a story in the republic say they would have it ready by the Iron Man in November. Looks like they are going to replace all the bladders now that there is no water to worry about. It said they are going to release water from Roosevelt to fill it back up.
I am glad that they will be filling the lake back up in Nov. It is nice that Bridgestone will help pay for this. At the same time who in their right minds would have thought that a black rubber inflatable device would have lasted 20-25 years in the first place. Once the new rubber has been installed I believe the city needs to look for a better long term solution. I think this is what happens when you try to do something on the cheap - you end up paying more in the end anyways. They are LUCKY noone was hurt. The lawsuit would have costed more than the dam. With that being said I hope to see water in there soon and that mosquitos don't breed in the mean time...
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 2:02 AM
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I am glad that they will be filling the lake back up in Nov. It is nice that Bridgestone will help pay for this. At the same time who in their right minds would have thought that a black rubber inflatable device would have lasted 20-25 years in the first place. Once the new rubber has been installed I believe the city needs to look for a better long term solution. I think this is what happens when you try to do something on the cheap - you end up paying more in the end anyways. They are LUCKY noone was hurt. The lawsuit would have costed more than the dam. With that being said I hope to see water in there soon and that mosquitos don't breed in the mean time...
If I remember correctly there was originally going to be a "waterfall" effect of water poring over the damn then being recirculated back to the lake. There was some engineering problem that prevented this. If water was covering the damn it would have protected the rubber from the sun.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 3:50 AM
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If I remember correctly there was originally going to be a "waterfall" effect of water poring over the damn then being recirculated back to the lake. There was some engineering problem that prevented this. If water was covering the damn it would have protected the rubber from the sun.
Yes, that was how the lifespan could reach 30 years. The east side is suppose to be totally find because it gets a lot of runoff so the dams get submerged more often meanwhile the west side only gets submerged when the lake releases water which is probably only twice a year.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 3:55 AM
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Tempe duck spelled it damn, lol.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 6:18 AM
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There was a story in the republic say they would have it ready by the Iron Man in November. Looks like they are going to replace all the bladders now that there is no water to worry about. It said they are going to release water from Roosevelt to fill it back up.
Oh ok, who ever though of this idea of black rubber dams in Phoenix must also of thought of putting paper houses here. Once the sun burns it all hell breaks loose.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 7:26 AM
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I wasn't able to make it near the dam, but I got a couple pictures from further up the lake this afternoon.


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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 9:24 AM
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I think painting the rubber white would have helped to protect the black rubber from the harsh sun and elements.

Now pay me $10,000 for my consultation fee. LOL.

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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 2:59 PM
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There was a story in the republic say they would have it ready by the Iron Man in November. Looks like they are going to replace all the bladders now that there is no water to worry about. It said they are going to release water from Roosevelt to fill it back up.
A lot of years they release water in August/September because of the monsoon. Any idea how they handle the runoff while they're rebuilding the dams? Just channel it through a section they're not working on, and hope there isn't too much water?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 5:30 PM
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I think painting the rubber white would have helped to protect the black rubber from the harsh sun and elements.

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What about some sort of shade structure over the rubber dams?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2010, 5:39 PM
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What about a dam made from concrete? Would that make too much sense? The only maintenance would be the moving gates, and they could produce a small amount of power, to power all the lake's amanities.

What about a beaver dam?
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