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Old Posted Mar 15, 2018, 7:35 PM
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The ownership is not the same ofc.

For a hint on what might become of the Pepsi Center site we could look to the redevelopment of Hollywood Park.

Rendering courtesy HKS Architects

That artful piece in the background is Silent Stan's $2.6 billion private contribution and centerpiece to a 260-acre mixed-use community that is being developed by Wilson Meany and Stockbridge Capital according Urbanize LA.

CherryCreek has previously raised a very good point. KSE, may at some point, wish to build a whole new arena. They certainly have plenty of land on their site which could then become a centerpiece for additional mixed use development. While Denver is not Brooklyn, the Barclay's Center could also provide potential clues.


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Those are great arenas and that's clearly the trend in arena construction - building multi use developments and entertainment centers instead of a single bland arena or stadium (Pepsi Center was always a disappointment to me with its pink stucco and generic look).

The huge developments planned near Coors Field and Mile-Hi plan to retro-fit those developments to reflect this trend. The Pepsi Center/Elitch's land combo has great potential for something very special, even if it takes 20 years to fully realize that (though we thought Union Station might take a similar period to become fully realized and it went much quicker).
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It's not the highest and best use from a real estate perspective certainly but then neither is city park. Should we start planning for how amazing that site could look covered with skyscrapers? Who needs the most popular venue in the zoo and a silly science museum so close to downtown when it could be covered over with condo towers?

It's not the worst thing to have a small slice on the edge of downtown that is notable as a family-friendly venue (not sports related), unless you assume the people of Denver will become robots and stop propagating? While maybe not the highest and best use it is indeed an artful, kid-oriented venue that could maintain the cherry-on-top uniqueness of Denver. Just sayin'
The difference is that nobody expects a private landowner to own and operate City Park for a profit. I believe Elitch's may have been a city asset when it first moved, but it hasn't been one ever since it was sold to the company that ultimately made it a Six Flags. If we think it has cultural value, then the city needs skin in the game to keep it there (both real estate and maintenance funds).
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The difference is that nobody expects a private landowner to own and operate City Park for a profit. I believe Elitch's may have been a city asset when it first moved, but it hasn't been one ever since it was sold to the company that ultimately made it a Six Flags. If we think it has cultural value, then the city needs skin in the game to keep it there (both real estate and maintenance funds).
Another possibility is to split the baby - ultimately move Elitch's but keep just a few of its pieces - perhaps the Ferris Wheel (or a new one) and a roller coaster (or part of the water park). That would be a nod to the place of Elitch's in Denver's history, the caretaker role it had for this space next to the river, as well as keeping a bit of funkiness and "uniqueness" to the ultimate redevelopment that occurs.
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Another possibility is to split the baby - ultimately move Elitch's but keep just a few of its pieces - perhaps the Ferris Wheel (or a new one) and a roller coaster (or part of the water park). That would be a nod to the place of Elitch's in Denver's history, the caretaker role it had for this space next to the river, as well as keeping a bit of funkiness and "uniqueness" to the ultimate redevelopment that occurs.
This seems like a great idea - would be very cool to see something like a combo of the Santa Cruz Wharf amusement park and Schlitterbahn. Could be less than a third of its current size, make it open to the public, pay by the ride, more of a public amenity. Embrace the connection of the park to the river, connect across to the aquarium and Children's Museum, make it possible to spend a day going from museum to aquarium to grab a couple rides and a funnel cake at the amusement park without spending a fortune on a full day's ticket.

There's a way to have the best of both worlds, I would think. Could be very cool if done right.
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The difference is that nobody expects a private landowner to own and operate City Park for a profit.
I was merely having a little fun by piggybacking on the 'highest and best use' argument. Point being: just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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This seems like a great idea - would be very cool to see something like a combo of the Santa Cruz Wharf amusement park and Schlitterbahn. Could be less than a third of its current size, make it open to the public, pay by the ride, more of a public amenity. Embrace the connection of the park to the river, connect across to the aquarium and Children's Museum, make it possible to spend a day going from museum to aquarium to grab a couple rides and a funnel cake at the amusement park without spending a fortune on a full day's ticket.

There's a way to have the best of both worlds, I would think. Could be very cool if done right.
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I dread the thought of them tearing the current Elitch's down and leaving a huge field of dirt that won't be filled in for 20+ years to come. No thank you.

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Another possibility is to split the baby - ultimately move Elitch's but keep just a few of its pieces - perhaps the Ferris Wheel (or a new one) and a roller coaster (or part of the water park). That would be a nod to the place of Elitch's in Denver's history, the caretaker role it had for this space next to the river, as well as keeping a bit of funkiness and "uniqueness" to the ultimate redevelopment that occurs.
I do like this idea. It would be cool if they could make the area into a full on entertainment district. Maybe keep the Observation Tower, revamp it and open it to the public. I've loved the idea of an observation wheel as well. Something like Clifton Hill in Niagra Falls, ON with mixed use development would be nice imo.

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I'll take what Boston is doing over Brooklyn or LA any day. The td Garden is tucked behind those buildings.

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Anyone know the renderings yet for the crane at 8th and Colorado? Source told me it was for the office/retail area
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Perhaps the first renderings of a project under the green roof ordinance? This is at 1160 e 18th st and will be under the 'Broadstone' brand




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This is right next door at 18th and Marion. Presumably the same developer but this was submitted prior to the green roof ordinance.



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Perhaps the first renderings of a project under the green roof ordinance? This is at 1160 e 18th st and will be under the 'Broadstone' brand.
Haven't heard much from Alliance Res. for awhile in Denver but I assume they acquired the land so they need to do something with it.
It appears they're still growing and going strong.

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Alliance Residential Company, the nation’s second largest multifamily developer and seventh largest multifamily manager, has achieved a milestone of more than 100,000 managed units, surpassing its strategic growth goal for 2017.

The multifamily developer has a management presence spread across 20 states including California, Colorado, Florida, Texas, Utah and Washington. Currently managing more than 440 properties nationwide, Alliance has close to 15,000 units in Phoenix, where the company recently doubled its corporate headquarter space.
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Vanishing vistas: Cherished mountain views falling victim to growth in Denver and along the Front Range
Denver uses “view planes” to preserve panoramic vistas in some areas

By KEVIN SIMPSON | ksimpson@denverpost.com | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: March 16, 2018 at 6:00 am


As construction stretched outward along Welton Street, following the light rail line from downtown into Five Points, Tim Oldham eagerly anticipated the growth that would bring vibrant density and commercial amenities to the neighborhood.

In the meantime, he and his wife, Kelly, could sit on their second-floor deck and gaze past the surface parking lot behind their house to marvel at Rocky Mountain sunsets, scan the distant ridge line and set their internal compass to the west.

But as a building rose from the former parking lot — and rose, and rose, to its final eight-story profile — they charted the trade-off for growth by their vanishing vista. Oldham likened it to the frog in the pot of slowly boiling water, measuring its demise by degrees.

“As the building got incrementally bigger, the sunsets went away,” says the 47-year-old landscaper. “It’s just been stacking up on top of us. Our view of the mountains is kind of like … well, it’s a big part of why we’re here.”

Mountain views and other iconic, geographic sight lines can be vulnerable to the surge of development sweeping Denver and the Front Range, underscoring their cherished place in the Colorado ethos. Some of those Denver views are preserved in the municipal code by a tool called a view plane, while other municipalities rely on height restrictions and strategic green space to maintain locals’ connection to natural panoramas and cityscapes alike.

But when construction booms, views once taken for granted can disappear.

Carlos Santistevan, a 79-year-old artist and former congressional aide, has lived in a small house on Glenarm Place in Five Points for most of his life. Although he’s witnessed multiple neighborhood transformations, he knew when the light rail line arrived that more change would soon follow. Then a 28-unit residential building sprang up behind his house a few years ago, with units going for $450,000 and more, and he realized he sat smack in the middle of the next phase.

The eight-story building on Welton Street, which looms over him as he peers out from his front door, took away what remained of his visual connection to the mountains.

“To lose that, it’s like losing a friend,” says Santistevan, his westward view interrupted by a block-long, gray mass of apartments. “Now, I look up at this and wonder where I’m living now.”

Neighborhood groups often rally to oppose, or at least scale back, development that they see as infringing on the qualities that help define their community. But the calculus of growth also includes benefits.

For instance, Oldham looks forward to a more energetic commercial district around his house — an infusion of restaurants, nightlife and sidewalk patios to serve a more densely populated area. He envisioned something like the Potter Highlands district in northwest Denver, where “mom and pop shops pretty much look like the rest of the neighborhood.”

But while he regards his area’s growth as positive, he describes the construction that enables it as “cheap, what you see everywhere.” And now, the residential floors of the building under construction shroud his house in shadows and several stories of soon-to-be neighbors will look down on his backyard and rear deck.

“After four more years,” Oldham says, gauging his son’s remaining time in the nearby elementary school, “we’ll see what the neighborhood looks like and consider cashing in.”

Concerns about the speed and aesthetic character of Denver’s growth have found several flash points, from installation of hundreds of 5G cell towers to major redevelopment of the former St. Anthony Hospital site in the Sloan’s Lake neighborhood and proposed reimagining of the central Platte Valley to so-called “slot homes” that last week prompted a moratorium on their construction.

“Aesthetically, the recent wave of development is not serving us well,” says Drew Dutcher, an architect and president of the Elyria and Swansea Neighborhood Association. “We’re building at such a huge pace, but we’re not thinking about what we’re building. It’s not only the view planes.”

Even in areas not protected by view planes, some long-standing corridors that train the eye west to the mountains lend character to the community. John Hayden, president of Curtis Park Neighbors, worries that as the burgeoning River North area continues to develop, construction could threaten views of Longs Peak visible on most of the numbered streets.

“I want to make it clear, I’m not against density,” Hayden says. “I think it’s essential. But it should be added in a way that’s conscious of design and how it’s impacting the neighborhoods around it. It’s not that any individual person is entitled to a view of the mountains from their home. If that’s what they’re thinking they should have bought on the highest floor of the tallest building.”

While growth may infringe on the views once enjoyed by many individual homes, Denver does have a mechanism in place to protect more than a dozen public views from encroaching development.

View planes, codified exercises in geography and math that date back to 1950, continue to be powerful tools to protect some of the city’s most iconic vistas, says Brad Buchanan, executive director of Community Planning & Development in Denver.

With an origin point that expands in a widening angle to encompass a particular sightline — usually the mountains but sometimes a panoramic cityscape — it denotes an area where new structures are prohibited from crowding out the view.

Think of those popular images of the Denver skyline backed by the mountains, as captured from a vantage point at the Museum of Nature & Science in City Park. Or, to conjure a view plane of more recent vintage, the sightline from the first-base stands at Coors Field that extends beyond the left-field seats to a backdrop of majestic peaks.

“View planes in Denver are holy ground,” Buchanan says.

He points to the view plane that originates at the sundial in Hilltop’s Cranmer Park. The plane encompasses everything within an obtuse angle that extends to the west, covering structures all the way to University Boulevard, including what today is the Cherry Creek shopping district.

The municipal code restricts the height of structures in the Cranmer Park vista by a fairly simple formula: None can rise more than 5,434 feet above sea level (the altitude of the park’s reference point) plus one foot for every 100 feet distant from that point. So while the area has seen major development, there remain areas around Cherry Creek that will never be developed because of the view plane.

Similarly, the view plane from Washington Park to the west has effectively placed height limits on redevelopment of the former Gates Rubber site near I-25 and Broadway.

Although these sightlines may be nearly sacrosanct, at times they have been altered or varied. State land isn’t subject to view planes, which accounts for some Auraria construction that pokes into them. But Buchanan, who has been involved in city land use discussions in various capacities since 1982, recalls only three instances when infringement has been allowed.

One involved restoration and development of the former El Jebel Shrine Temple at 18th Avenue and Sherman Street. The building stands at the farthest edge of the City Park view plane, and buildings beyond that boundary already rose higher. Another involved placement of new power poles within the Ruby Hill Park view plane and the third addressed slight encroachment of the Denver Broncos’ stadium, currently in naming-rights limbo, into the state Capitol view plane.

“When our views change, that’s a type of change that our community has a hard time with — and rightfully so,” Buchanan says. “We value views. And specifically we value views to the mountains. It’s sort of our geography and our compass.”

But as Denver’s skyline evolved over the years, it also acquired a certain visual cachet. Now, three of the 14 view planes tilt east to preserve an urban panorama. The Sloan’s Lake Park view plane, added to the municipal code in 1988, takes in the city’s central business district. Two more east-facing views were added in 1999.

Obviously, not all mountain views or glittering cityscapes fall under the municipal code’s protection — and as Denver hits a period of ramped-up development, those whose aesthetics are impacted typically feel a sense of loss.

“What you’re touching on,” Buchanan says, “is the experiential value of what it’s like to be in a place. Not every piece of property downtown is guaranteed a view of the mountains in perpetuity. There’s a reality to that that sinks in when a big building gets built next to one that’s had a view of the mountains from downtown.

“And I think that creates tension and conflict,” he adds, “because we not only hold this view of the mountains as a community value, but the real estate market also holds that as very much a value.”

Beyond Denver’s city limits, other Front Range communities also face the forces of growth on somewhat smaller scales, but with similar defining vistas.

Colorado Springs, where Pikes Peak rises to the west, identifies strongly with the 14,115-foot peak — in fact, the entire region invokes its name. Yet the city has never felt the need to establish view planes to protect the view.

In part, this stems from the fact that from most city locations the mountain’s proximity and steep elevation gain make it clearly visible, says Peter Wysocki, the city’s director of planning and development. But it’s also a nod to property rights that, as long as they meet local regulations, aren’t limited by sight lines.

That said, most developers that build in the region remain sensitive to view corridors and like to preserve them, often by designing buildings and arranging them on a property to allow for maximum exposure, Wysocki adds.

Views do come into consideration as the city develops parks, open space and other public gathering areas, working view corridors of natural landmarks like Garden of the Gods and Pikes Peak into the design.

“In the original city street layout, major boulevards were designed with an east-west alignment, orienting the original parks and streets with Pikes Peak in mind,” Wysocki says. “I’m looking at it right now out of the window. I wish it had way more snow.”

Similar regard for elements of the landscape that tie people to place hold sway in Fort Collins, where Horsetooth Rock and Longs Peak offer familiar backdrops. Except for views from parks and open space, the city has no protected views under its land-use code.

Neither does Boulder, but the city guards its natural setting with other tools.

In 1959, voters approved an amendment to the city charter that created the Blue Line, an imaginary boundary that extends north from Eldorado Springs at about 5,750 feet of elevation along the foothills. The city will pump water no higher, a decision that effectively limited construction that had begun to impact the city’s mountain backdrop.

It also gave rise to Boulder’s open space program that launched in 1967 with a sales tax dedicated to fund land purchases. Since then, the city has bought and protected parks and open land equal to three times the size of its developed portion, director of planning housing and sustainability Jim Robertson says.

Then, in 1971, voters adopted a 55-foot height limit within the city — a restriction enshrined in the city charter, not the land use code.

“It’s embedded in the DNA of the city as well as defining the physical growth of the city,” Robertson says. “The driving factor was protection of views. This may be folklore, but 55 feet was roughly selected to be treetops’ height. We won’t go higher than trees naturally go in terms of blocking mountain views.”

Still, Boulder is not immune to conversations about growth, and since the city can’t grow outward, it naturally looks up. The question is how far. Robertson notes that the 55-foot limit has not eliminated or resolved the question of how residents feel about height.

“We probably have as vigorous a discussion around those issues as Denver,” he says.

Back in Five Points, Jerome Schroeder stands amid the remodel in progress at the back of his second-floor home in a triplex on Glenarm Place. For more than a year, he has tried to get approval for a rooftop deck that would add 18 vertical inches to his attached garage — a project that is, in part, an effort to regain some of the mountain views he lost to the rising eight-story structure one block to the west.

From atop his garage, he can see Longs Peak to the north, downtown and, on a clear day, even Pikes Peak far to the south. But the city has denied his permit because of height restrictions, a decision he continues to appeal in light of what he calls “this monstrosity across the street from me.”

“I love the mountains, it’s one reason I live here,” Schroeder says. “I love living in the city and I love the view I have of the city, especially at night. Being able to see the mountains throughout the day keeps me grounded and attached to what makes me happy.”
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I bought a house in Arapahoe County that had a view of the mountains. 17 years later, the view went away when the trees all grew taller. The only way to keep a view is to leave all the blocks as surface parking lots. Single-family neighborhoods will all lose the views no matter what.
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And so long as the Denver Post wastes time with drivel like this, I will not be saddened that they are cutting reporters. They clearly have too many, with too much time on their hands. Once they're down to their last 10, maybe they'll focus on actual reporting.
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The worst part of this article is that never once is the idea that maybe Boulder's anti-growth, no-height ordinance also contributes to the fact that no one making less than 6 figures can afford to buy a house there "with a nice view". Or that if 50 families move here we can either house them in a) an 8 story building that blocks the views of some people or b) 50 separate houses sprawled outwards from the city. Never does it ask "Would you rather these complainers lose their mountain views or should everyone lose the open prairies, hills, and fields that surround Denver?" Or "Are Tim the landscaper's mountain views more important than filling in a parking lot that attracted homeless people and crime?"

Even better questions the reporter might have asked would be: "Do serial-NIMBYs like Drew Dutcher hurt or help the city?", "Does anyone understand the basics of supply and demand in the housing market?", and possibly most importantly "Does anyone have a reasonable opposing view?" But those are more likely to come from a healthy staff that is paid decently and isn't regularly purged...
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The worst part of this article is that never once is the idea that maybe Boulder's anti-growth, no-height ordinance also contributes to the fact that no one making less than 6 figures can afford to buy a house there "with a nice view". Or that if 50 families move here we can either house them in a) an 8 story building that blocks the views of some people or b) 50 separate houses sprawled outwards from the city. Never does it ask "Would you rather these complainers lose their mountain views or should everyone lose the open prairies, hills, and fields that surround Denver?" Or "Are Tim the landscaper's mountain views more important than filling in a parking lot that attracted homeless people and crime?"

Even better questions the reporter might have asked would be: "Do serial-NIMBYs like Drew Dutcher hurt or help the city?", "Does anyone understand the basics of supply and demand in the housing market?", and possibly most importantly "Does anyone have a reasonable opposing view?" But those are more likely to come from a healthy staff that is paid decently and isn't regularly purged...
It's also just sloppy. If your case study for the article is what has happened to Glenarm (which I agree, is pretty damned dramatic), why not mention the new AS design review process and its goal to have narrower profile towers that block views less? Viewplanes are a bit of an unrelated concept, if you actually look at where they are and what they do. And then yes, the lazy reference to Boulder - which itself could have made a good comparison/case study for the article. The lack of coherent focus is undergraduate-level writing. And this, on the front page of the Sunday paper. The Denver Post deserves to die. And Kevin Simpson, whoever is, deserves to need to find a new career.

All rightey, enough of my Sunday morning wasted reading about cats in trees. Now turning to the New York Times. I hate that I get the NYT now. I hate that I have to read coastal propaganda to get actual news in my life. But here I am.
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Well, the problem with local media coverage - including print, television, and radio - is that ediorial bias is usually heavily designed to tug at the emotional heartstrings of the NIMBY/anti-growth crowd, or those who don't want Denver to change from the way they remember when they grew up here. This editorial bias can sometimes sneak into articles passing off as serious journalism that presents both sides of a story. We could even see this in how Denver's ABC affiliate treated the reporting of the proposed 650 17th Street - coming out of the gates immediately focusing the story on how "appropriate" the building was for Denver and whether it was too "MASSIVE" or too tall for our precious granola sensibilities - instead of reporting on the actual building proposal itself.

The Denver Post article was nothing but a soft-ball editorial pitch to feed into the hands of the NIMBY/anti-growther population. In fact, there really was no reason for printing this article, nor a catalyst driving its publication other than to provide "red meat" fodder to a widely known and vocal contingent of the population lamenting Denver's continued growth. The irony here, of course, is that one would think a dying newspaper would want to be serving a growing market with an expanding population base, as was the case with nearly every newspaper during the era of the "Wild West" when the local papers would serve more as aggressive civic promoters and drivers of economic development to ensure their fledgling cities would become firmly established on the map.

Back in those days, it was mission-critical for Denver/Auraria to out-compete regional competitors, and both residents and civic leaders alike embodied a ferociously bold and passionate determination to elevate Denver's stature on the global map. These efforts are historically enshrined into the ambitions and accomplishments of figures such as Henry Brown, Horace Tabor, and even into the 1930s with Mayor Speer's "City Beautiful" movement. Our determination for greatness coined us the nickname "Paris on the Platte", successfully awarded us the status of "captial city" of Kansas Territory, and catapulted us into building the prelude to the D&RGW Railroad when Union Pacific opted to route the first transcontinental railroad through Cheyenne instead of Denver. Yet, rather than fade away, we built our own railroad to connect to the transcon, in an overt effort to ensure Denver remained relevant and kept Cheyenne in its place.

I can't explain why, but somewhere, somehow, Denver lost its drive for greatness and has no interest in continuing to climb the ladder of global capital cities. This mentality is reflected in the strong NIMBY/anti-change population here, adopting or entertaining growth-control measures, harboring strong opposition to increased density and taller buildings, freaking out when a company like Amazon wants to put something like HQ2 here, and don't even get me started on the Olympics (both the 1976 games and efforts to bring a future games here).

There is a disturbing sense of entitlement among Denver residents that they (and they alone) are the only ones worthy of living here, and that Denver should forever be frozen in time to resemble the city they remember growing up in. Yet, quite ironically, these very same people fail to understand their ancestors were transplants; that Denver only exists because of the ambitious strides towards civic greatness reflected in Denver's founding fathers and early industrialists. They fail to see the entreprenurial spirit in Denver's history that enabled us to overcome multiple fires and floods that nearly wiped out the city and questioned our continued existence. They don't see the historic precedence set by - nor the significance of - various remarkable accomplishments we set long ago - including the fact the D&F Tower was briefly the "tallest building west of the Mississippi" upon its construction. The once high-flying spirit that was set to put Denver on course to emerge as a city of profound national and global notoriety has all but vanished beneath the constant drumbeat of NIMBYism, losing mountain views, architecture that doesn't match (brick for brick) buildings in a surrounding neighborhood, and high-rise proposals that are "out of scale" with Denver, even when said building is at the epicenter of our CBD (just don't tell that to the beloved D&F Tower).

The anti-growth sentiment is so pervasive in Colorado that it has become genetically encoded into the DNA of our cultural identity; a highly intrinsic and self-proclaimed value of our civic tenets. It's become pure tribalism at this point - something that is so crucial to winning the litmus test of being a "true Coloradan" - that many of our new transplants immediately embrace the no-growther stance even before they finish unloading their own U-Haul trucks.

I believe we need charismatic civic boosters once again, people who will fight for Denver to plan on a big scale whilst making no apologies for however bold that vision may be; we should not be forced away from asserting Denver as a global alpha city to fulfill the dreams of Denver's earliest founding fathers. Unfortunately, civic leaders today bend down and cower to the prevailng NIMBY/anti-change contingent, and severe compromises are made simply in order to get something - anything - completed. The end result? Underwhelming architetural design (since we can't have anything looking "too cosmopolitan" or too "big-city-like"), infrastructure projects that are held up, eventually completed on a shoestring budget, and ultimately with too little capacity and falling decades behind the growth curve. We also have difficulty in not being able to keep housing supply up in accordance with demand; I know many cities are growing at an even faster clip than Denver, yet the housing issue here seems disproportianately critical when compared to many other growing metro regions.

This is the bottom line:

The primary reason we have growth "problems" is because Denver's knee-jerk cultural disposition to opposing growth has only sabotaged our ability to properly plan for and accomodate an expanding population base, which we should have already acknowledged as being an inevitable. We have only exacerbated the very problems we complain about by embracing a "Don't Build It, and They Won't Come" mentality in terms of anticipating population expansion. Contrary to popular belief, turns out you simply can't "pray the growth away"...

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There is a disturbing sense of entitlement among Denver residents that they (and they alone) are the only ones worthy of living here, and that Denver should forever be frozen in time to resemble the city they remember growing up in.
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The anti-growth sentiment is so pervasive in Colorado that it has become genetically encoded into the DNA of our cultural identity; a highly intrinsic and self-proclaimed value of our civic tenets. It's become pure tribalism at this point - something that is so crucial to winning the litmus test of being a "true Coloradan" - that many of our new transplants immediately embrace the no-growther stance even before they finish unloading their own U-Haul trucks.

I believe we need charismatic civic boosters once again, people who will fight for Denver to plan big and win big, to not cow away from Denver asserting itself as a global alpha city to continue the dreams of Denver's earliest founding fathers.
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The primary reason we have growth "problems" is because Denver's natural cultural disposition in opposing growth and change has sabotaged our ability to acknowledge it as being inevitable, undermining our ability to properly plan for and accomodate an expanding population base.


Yes. I worry that the people of this town will elect some anti-growth person to the mayorship, prices will skyrocket even more, and in twenty years the only people that live here will be transplants from out of state who sold their billion-dollar homes to buy multi-million dollar ones here.
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Yes. I worry that the people of this town will elect some anti-growth person to the mayorship, prices will skyrocket even more, and in twenty years the only people that live here will be transplants from out of state who sold their billion-dollar homes to buy multi-million dollar ones here.
So basically Denver will be a larger version of Boulder. Or San Francisco on the Plains. Hopefully I'll be long gone by then.
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The worst part of this article is that never once is the idea that maybe Boulder's anti-growth, no-height ordinance also contributes to the fact that no one making less than 6 figures can afford to buy a house there "with a nice view". Or that if 50 families move here we can either house them in a) an 8 story building that blocks the views of some people or b) 50 separate houses sprawled outwards from the city. Never does it ask "Would you rather these complainers lose their mountain views or should everyone lose the open prairies, hills, and fields that surround Denver?" Or "Are Tim the landscaper's mountain views more important than filling in a parking lot that attracted homeless people and crime?"

Even better questions the reporter might have asked would be: "Do serial-NIMBYs like Drew Dutcher hurt or help the city?", "Does anyone understand the basics of supply and demand in the housing market?", and possibly most importantly "Does anyone have a reasonable opposing view?" But those are more likely to come from a healthy staff that is paid decently and isn't regularly purged...
Agreed! And as someone else pointed out, my little mountain view is gone all summer due to the trees growing. I do like shade, and if I want to see those mountains, I just have to walk two blocks to a park.
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