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CBC reporting NCC is terminating the deal.
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It's true that you can make general statements in a statement of claim, but it is not true that you can "say anything". If you make a statement that you can't support with evidence, and particularly a statement that is key to your claim, you will be in violation of the rules and risk undermining your entire claim.

In fairness, Ruddy was part of the team that built Lansdowne, a very similar project, albeit on a smaller scale.

Also, Houston's arena is only 7 years newer than the CTC.
Age is not the Arena’s problem. Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Washington and Chicago have arenas of the same era.

Ruddy built the big box stores at Landsdowne. He has never built an enclosed mall, condo, apartment, sports facility or other type of attraction. He has several proposals in the works but nothing done outside of the big box sphere.

An unrelated lawsuit but “ Statements of claim are privileged; through this claim, Ghomeshi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity.”

https://business.financialpost.com/e...hi-lawsuit-cbc
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With the NCC apparently starting over, I think the city and the NCC need to have a good think about what they want at Lebreton. It seems to me highly unlikely that any significant amenity is going to be funded by the private sector. To me if they want a private sector solution they will get something like they got from Claridge, with a handful of residential buildings every decade or so. That is fine, but if they want something else than cash will almost certainly be necessary.
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My personal thinking is to go Canada Lands Company style...Maybe even go through CLC, and decide what you want etc and then sell (or lease or whatever) different blocks to different developers willing to build and/or operator the thing you wanted there.

It supports gradual development and you can adjust according to the market etc..
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An unrelated lawsuit but “ Statements of claim are privileged; through this claim, Gomes hi, like any litigant, can get anything he wishes onto the public record with absolute legal impunity.”

https://business.financialpost.com/e...hi-lawsuit-cbc
That reference doesn’t say what you said, which was that you can say anything in a statement of claim. Lawyers in Ontario have a professional obligation preventing them from asserting as fact something that can’t be supported by evidence.

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That reference doesn’t say what you said, which was that you can say anything in a statement of claim. Lawyers in Ontario have a professional obligation preventing them from asserting as fact something that can’t be supported by evidence.

https://lso.ca/about-lso/legislation...ec1-1-advocacy
The full sentence was “Remember you can say anything in a statement of claim without risking perjury or defamation.”
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With East Flats, the NCC's process was flawed because they dictated what they wanted. The buildings needed to look like this, with this massing and this shape and that height. Developer gets to choose the materials from a short list of NCC approved materials. One bidder dropped out because it was ridiculous, Minto tried to be a little creative but dropped out because the NCC was ridiculous and we were left with Claridge who followed the rules at a minimum standards.

This time around, the NCC gave bidders a blank sheet and told them to go nuts. It resulted in two bids dropping out, a ridiculous bid trying to be everything to everyone and a sensible bid with a unstable NHL team owner at the helm.

This time the NCC should split the difference. Take the best things about the RVL bid such as the covered Confederation Line, street grid with Preston extension, plenty of housing, hotels and office space to bring life to the site and space for a few key attractions (two to six of various size, not twenty-five humongous buildings in a barren plaza) and auction off one block at a time. The key attractions should be publicly funded or be part of public-private partnerships. For those attractions, consult with the people for ideas. An NHL arena would hopefully be part of it once the Sens have a stable owner with enough capital to support the venture.
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With East Flats, the NCC's process was flawed because they dictated what they wanted. The buildings needed to look like this, with this massing and this shape and that height. Developer gets to choose the materials from a short list of NCC approved materials. One bidder dropped out because it was ridiculous, Minto tried to be a little creative but dropped out because the NCC was ridiculous and we were left with Claridge who followed the rules at a minimum standards.

This time around, the NCC gave bidders a blank sheet and told them to go nuts. It resulted in two bids dropping out, a ridiculous bid trying to be everything to everyone and a sensible bid with a unstable NHL team owner at the helm.

This time the NCC should split the difference. Take the best things about the RVL bid such as the covered Confederation Line, street grid with Preston extension, plenty of housing, hotels and office space to bring life to the site and space for a few key attractions (two to six of various size, not twenty-five humongous buildings in a barren plaza) and auction off one block at a time. The key attractions should be publicly funded or be part of public-private partnerships. For those attractions, consult with the people for ideas. An NHL arena would hopefully be part of it once the Sens have a stable owner with enough capital to support the venture.
Wow, that's the most reasonable thing I've heard all year.....there's no way the NCC will go for it. Actually, your proposal might seem obvious to those of us on here following it for years but you should send it on to the NCC leadership. I think they need to know that people are watching and are quite aware of the history of this site, both long past and more recent.
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"Coun. Catherine McKenney, who represents the area, said she is disappointed but not surprised the deal is dead.

"There was no doubt that the partnership was flailing and I was never confident that it was going to get better," she said.

She said she doesn't think they should rush a new process to get the land developed and also thinks it might be time to look at a more organic growth plan for the area.

"I am not sure we need to look at one proponent, one developer, to do the whole development at LeBreton Flats," she said.

She added the NCC has tried big transformational developments and they haven't happened, so it might be time for a more piecemeal approach."


I totally agree with Coun. McKenney on this one. Instead of having one developer building 30 identical glass condos, let's break up the property and let different developers work on each piece. I have no doubt the end result would be livelier and more varied. Also more realistic in terms of actually getting this done.
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It's not as if this is a new idea for developing the Flats, either. This is what the NCC did with the parcels south of Albert St in the early 1980s, with some blocks getting developed by OCH, CCOC and a cooperative as affordable housing, and others being developed as market housing (I think it was by Minto, but I don't remember for sure). IIRC, CMHC led the planning as an early TOD pilot project in conjunction with the opening of the Transitway. Darwin has written about this history before (he experienced it first hand).
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Giving away the entire LF to one developer would be a mistake.
IMO, NCC should:
1) design a detailed concept of Lebreton, draw detailed street level plans.
2) split it into lots specifying how much office/residential footage can be built on each
3) auction off lots to developers leaving building architecture up to them
4) use proceeds to build all infrastructure and attractions without relying on developers

As far as I know that's how they redevelop such industrial lands in Europe. Did any city try doing that in Canada or US? Any success stories?
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NCC flattens LeBreton deal — Ottawa Senators-backed bid booted as runner-up waits in wings

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: December 20, 2018


Kiss RendezVous LeBreton Group goodbye.

After days of virtual open warfare between the two business moguls who lead the group that vowed to bring hockey and redevelopment to LeBreton Flats, the National Capital Commission has pulled the plug on its dysfunctional development partner.

The NCC announced Wednesday it is cutting loose RendezVous LeBreton after Eugene Melnyk of the Ottawa Senators and John Ruddy of Trinity Developments, sued each other over the demise of their consortium.

“The NCC board of directors has resolved to terminate the preferred proponent term sheet, which was signed January 19, 2018, between RendezVous LeBreton Group and the NCC,” the federal agency said in a written statement. “Termination is effective 30 days following the issuance of the notice to this effect.”

And with that, the prospect of an imminent move by the Senators to a downtown arena — something once touted as essential to the club’s fate — has seemingly vanished, and the future of a long-languishing swath of prime real-estate in the nation’s capital is once again up in the air.

The Senators issued a statement Wednesday expressing “regret” at the NCC’s decision.

“For over a year, we have tried to resolve our concerns about the flaws in the economic model for the redevelopment, both within the context of our private negotiations with the NCC and then publicly since Nov. 22, 2018,” the team said.

It said it was dismayed when the NCC declined to meet with the parties to try to resolve the “challenges” after the Crown corporation had publicly acknowledged the problems within RendezVous last month and initially given the group until January to sort them out.

“Despite our best efforts to resolve the impasse as late as yesterday, we were unsuccessful in bringing our vision to fruition,” the Senators said.

Ruddy’s Trinity Developments said it would not be commenting Wednesday.

Scrapping the term sheet will allow the NCC board to make a decision about moving forward at its meeting in January, the agency said.

Wednesday’s announcement by the NCC was hardly a surprise after the ugly legal battle between Melnyk and Ruddy became public in recent days, but it still strikes a blow to Ottawa residents and Senators fans.

Much of LeBreton Flats has remained an undeveloped eyesore for five decades, and has become a symbol of dashed dreams in Ottawa. Plans for a vibrant redevelopment anchored by a hockey arena seemed to finally spell the end of that history of failure on LeBreton. Until now.

The failure of the development to move forward also raises questions about the future of the Senators who have faced attendance issues in recent years and for whom a downtown arena represented new possibilities.

What comes next?

While one option for the NCC is to restart a competition to redevelop LeBreton Flats, there is at least one interested party that insists that shouldn’t be necessary.

A local developer whose company was part of the second-place consortium seeking to develop LeBreton said there’s a united group of businesspeople ready to put shovels in the ground.

“We spent over $3 million on that bid and two years of our energy and we’ve assembled a great group of Canadians. It was all about celebrating Canada,” said Jean-Pierre Poulin, president of Gatineau-based Devcore Group. “What would the NCC gain about doing another process? Who doesn’t want to partner with Guy Laliberté, Jim Pattison and André Desmarias?”

Those three men are behind Cirque du Soleil, Ripley Entertainment and Power Corp, respectively. JDS Uniphase co-founder Bill Sinclair is also involved with the Devcore Canderel DLS bid group.

DCDLS has reached out to the NCC about where the consortium stands, particularly in light of the RendezVous LeBreton Group rupture, but DCDLS hadn’t heard back earlier Wednesday.

The NCC’s procurement process for the redevelopment of the part of LeBreton Flats west of Booth Street has been happening since 2014. The agency named RendezVous preferred proponent in 2016 in a battle between two development groups.

Poulin said that while the DCDLS proposal also included an arena, the group’s real focus is on the other aspects of its mixed-use vision, such as rental units, a seniors residence, a hotel and an aquarium. The arena in the blueprint is a placeholder, he said.

“We’re not talking much about hockey,” Poulin said.

Poulin said it would be nice to get a courtesy call from the NCC, since DCDLS believes it has a legitimate place in the procurement process.

“We believe the NCC should respect the process that is established now. We believe that the NCC will make the right decision on that process,” Poulin said.

The NCC board is still scheduled to meet in late January, even though incoming CEO Tobi Nussbaum begins his term on Feb. 4, replacing Mark Kristmanson. The agency will have to decide if it wants to tie Nussbaum’s hands with any decision made at the board meeting before he gets to weigh in.

“The NCC will proceed with next steps, in consultation with the fairness monitor and key stakeholders, at its meeting of the board in January. No delay is foreseen as a result of the transition,” NCC spokesman Mario Tremblay said.

Poulin said DCDLS group sent a letter to Nussbaum to congratulate him on the new gig.

“I don’t know him personally. We wish him well,” Poulin said. “Of course, he comes in at a difficult time.”

Mayor Jim Watson, who was at the National Arts Centre on Wednesday to help introduce the architects for the super library on the eastern part of LeBreton Flats, said the NCC will need to seriously consider restarting the entire procurement process. The NCC’s lawyers will need to weigh in, he said.

“I think that’s one of the realistic options that we have to look at,” Watson said.

“Some people will groan about that, but I think the fair thing to do is to allow others to come in and bid.”

Watson noted that going with DCDLS is another option but he would want to know from lawyers if the NCC could go with the runner-up, without risk of being sued by the RendezVous partners.

It’s not going to be easy to make big decisions in 2019, especially starting at mid-year, since the next federal election is scheduled for October.

Watson said if the LeBreton process went as previously expected, all the municipal planning work would have been done in January and February 2019 and the full proposal would be in front of the federal cabinet in June.

“After June it becomes very difficult to get anything at the federal cabinet because we’re in election mode,” Watson said. “With the setback we’ve had with the (RendezVous) partners suing one another, it’s unlikely that we’re going to have an arrangement of some kind before June.”

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna, the MP for Ottawa Centre, where LeBreton Flats is located, noted the big job ahead for the NCC is considering the “dysfunctional partnership” at RendezVous and a need to establish a path forward for the redevelopment.

McKenna, who was also at the library event at the NAC, said there’s no point rushing a project that will leave a legacy for the city.

“My biggest priority is to get this right,” McKenna said. “I think it’s a very unfortunate situation we’re in, but that’s where we’re at and I think we now need to figure out our options, whether there’s the other bidder, if that’s a possibility or not, and I think lawyers are involved with this, but we need to step back and just make sure we’re getting it right. We do not want to be rushed into something that we aren’t going to be proud of.”

Joel Harden, the NDP MPP for Ottawa Centre, said the city should focus on providing more affordable housing if RendezVous can’t deliver.

“The Melnyk-Ruddy debacle is what happens when development serves the few instead of the many,” Harden said in a written statement sent by his office. “We need to build more affordable housing, including at LeBreton Flats. If feuding millionaires can’t make that happen, the city should.”


TIMELINE OF DOOMED LEBRETON DREAM

Sept. 30, 2014: The National Capital Commission launches a process to find a development partner for 9.3 acres of LeBreton Flats, asking for “an architecturally stunning anchor institution of regional, national or international importance.” The creativity, said NCC CEO Mark Kristmanson, would come from the private sector.

Jan. 26, 2016: The public gets to see details of the two bids that will compete to develop LeBreton Flats, RendezVous LeBreton and Devcore Canderel DLS Group. Both proposals include hockey arenas and significant residential development. Both are also connected with billionaires — Melnyk with RendezVous LeBreton and Quebec billionaires André Desmarais and Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Laliberté with the Devcore Canderel DLS Group.

April 29, 2016: RendezVous LeBreton’s $3.5-billion bid to develop LeBreton Flats get the green light. Senators management muses about opening night at the new downtown arena in 2021.

Nov. 25, 2016: The NCC begins formal negotiations for a development agreement with RendezVous LeBreton.

Jan. 26, 2018: The NCC and RendezVous LeBreton reach an agreement in principle to develop the Flats.

April 20, 2018: In an early sign of trouble, Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson asks publicly whether Eugene Melnyk is serious about the LeBreton redevelopment project after the Senators owner says he is concerned about the amount of development around the site and muses about keeping the team in Kanata.

Nov. 23, 2018: After weeks of rumours, the NCC reveals that RendezVous LeBreton partners Eugene Melnyk and John Ruddy, Trinity Developments head, have been unable to reach an agreement on their own business partnership. The NCC tells them to get their act together by January.

Nov. 24, 2018: The split between the partners breaks into the open as Melnyk sues Ruddy for $700 million, accusing him of destroying their joint venture with plans for a major condo development at 900 Albert St. and keeping Melnyk in the dark about expansion plans. Ruddy denied the claims.

Dec. 18, 2018: The implosion of the RendezVous LeBreton development seems certain when Ruddy slaps Melnyk with a $1-billion countersuit claiming the hockey magnet’s company is on shaky financial ground, among other things. Melnyk, meanwhile, says Trinity can build the entire project and pocket the revenue as long as the Senators can run the arena, an idea batted down by Ruddy.

Dec. 19, 2018: With a succinct press release delivered late in the day, the NCC pulls the plug on the troubled RendezVous LeBreton project. “The NCC Board of Directors has resolved to terminate the preferred proponent term sheet, which was signed January 19, 2018, between Rendez-Vous LeBreton Group (RLG) and the NCC.”

with files from Elizabeth Payne

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The full sentence was “Remember you can say anything in a statement of claim without risking perjury or defamation.”
Yes, that was the full sentence. If you look at the link I provided, it is very clear that lawyers can't say anything that isn't reasonably supported by evidence, as I pointed out.
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As far as I know that's how they redevelop such industrial lands in Europe. Did any city try doing that in Canada or US? Any success stories?
Various phases of False Creek in Vancouver, Griffintown and various other parcels of land along the Lachine Canal in Montreal. It's pretty much the model that the Canada Lands Corporation follows, which was mentioned above (and CLC has been involved in piecesof those VAN and MTL redevelopments), and the redevelopment of CFB Rockliffe is a much less sexy local example.
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Yes, that was the full sentence. If you look at the link I provided, it is very clear that lawyers can't say anything that isn't reasonably supported by evidence, as I pointed out.
Has the law society ever taken disciplinary action against a lawyer whose client made unsubstantiated statements in a Statement of Claim? Because it seems like a fairly common practice as the Ghomeshi article states.
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Giving away the entire LF to one developer would be a mistake.
IMO, NCC should:
1) design a detailed concept of Lebreton, draw detailed street level plans.
2) split it into lots specifying how much office/residential footage can be built on each
3) auction off lots to developers leaving building architecture up to them
4) use proceeds to build all infrastructure and attractions without relying on developers

As far as I know that's how they redevelop such industrial lands in Europe. Did any city try doing that in Canada or US? Any success stories?
I think that makes sense. But I think the constraint here is the value of the land (at least based on recent transactions in the area).
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Has the law society ever taken disciplinary action against a lawyer whose client made unsubstantiated statements in a Statement of Claim? Because it seems like a fairly common practice as the Ghomeshi article states.
I've re-read the newspaper article and don't see anything that says that it is a common practice to make unsupported statements in a statement of claim.

I don't think whether there has been formal discipline from a Law Society is the test for whether something is a professional obligation (and I have no idea if there has or not). Typically those types of issues get worked out long before they would ever go to a formal disciplinary hearing. That doesn't make it any less of an obligation. Reputable lawyers don't make a habit of breaching professional obligations.

Also, most litigants don't enter into litigation planning to lose, as Mr. Gomeshi did. That is a bit of a unique situation involving public reputation that isn't relevant to the Lebreton scenario.
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Also, most litigants don't enter into litigation planning to lose, as Mr. Gomeshi did. That is a bit of a unique situation involving public reputation that isn't relevant to the Lebreton scenario.
I think the situation isn’t that different. You have two litigants who are trying to cover their asses and blame the other party. That is exactly the situation where you would air your grievances in a statement of claim to get information into the public domain without risking libel or perjury.
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I haven't really commented much since Melnyk sued Trinity as I just wanted to see how this played out, but now that this project is dead I'll just share my current thoughts.

At this point, I'm on board with the idea that the NCC should focus on creating a master plan for the area (street grids etc.) and sell off parcels of land overtime to developers so that we can eventually get a mixed used community that can include residential, office, retail, schools etc. This would take decades and be a slow burning process, but at least Lebreton flats will grow organically and mature better.

Another option, as mentioned in the Ottawa Citizen article, is for the NCC to start talking with Devcore. It isn't really a secret though that the NCC is not a fan of their proposal and does not take them seriously. Can't really blame them; how successful would an automotive museum and aquarium really be in Ottawa? That doesn't mean the NCC can't at least sit down with Devcore and find a happy medium that suits all parties. These guys have serious financial backing and appear to be really invested in making this work. Like Watson said though, the NCC would have to consult with their lawyers to make sure any talk with Devcore wouldn't get them into legal trouble.

Or, just hit the reset button and kickstart a new process. Then again, there were only two really serious bids the last time a competition was held. The NCC would need to incentivize bidders across North American and maybe even internationally to actually have an interest in wanting to have a hand in this. I don't really think the appetite is there to get another competition going and no one can really blame the NCC for that.

As for the Senators, deep down I wonder what this means in the long run for the organization. It's clear Melnyk is a dysfunctional narcissist who has had financial trouble for years now and is barely clinging on to the team. The NHL is dead set in getting Ottawa to move downtown and I don't think Bettman is going to let this just blow off into the wind. I wouldn't be surprised if he and the BOG have a plot to corner him in and force him to sell the team.
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I think the situation isn’t that different. You have two litigants who are trying to cover their asses and blame the other party. That is exactly the situation where you would air your grievances in a statement of claim to get information into the public domain without risking libel or perjury.
Sure, there is an element of getting information on their positions out to the public. However unlike Gomeshi, there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake for the partners.

Also unlike Gomeshi, the legal claims matter here. Whereas Gomeshi's claim was never intended to proceed, as he knew that he was covered by a collective agreement and had to go through the grievance process, Melnyk and Trinity need a potentially viable claim to get leverage over the other party.
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