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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 2:59 PM
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That's not correct.

Metro: 2,814,330
Metro: 3,733,580

You cannot compare the CSA figures as Seattle has a substantially larger footprint. It stretches 100 miles south (Centralia, WA Micropolitan Statistical Area) and 75 miles north (Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area) of downtown Seattle. Colorado Springs and Fort Collins are 70 miles and 65 miles away from downtown Denver, respectively. If you add those to the CSA of Denver, you end up with something well short of the 175 mile footprint in Seattle.

Denver: 4,522,555 (2016)
  • Fort Collins, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Greeley, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Boulder, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Colorado Springs, CO Metropolitan Statistical Area

Seattle: 4,684,516 (2016)
  • Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Olympia-Tumwater, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area
  • Oak Harbor, WA Micropolitan Statistical Area
  • Centralia, WA Micropolitan Statistical Area
  • Shelton, WA Micropolitan Statistical Area
I've never understood why Boulder is considered its own metro area. They're on the same mass transit system as the rest of the metro area, many people work in Boulder and live in "Denver" suburbs (and vice versa)... it's a northwest suburb of Denver IMO. Sure, they have that artificial green belt separation, but it's not a separate metro.
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Some of those Seattle CSA extensions are pretty out there, in every respect. I doubt many people commute to the core from there. They probably commute to the secondary job centers in Everett, Tacoma, etc. But I do agree that Colorado Springs is nearly analogous to some of ours.
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I've never understood why Boulder is considered its own metro area...
Because metro areas are defined by the percentage of people commuting from a county into a given central city. Boulder is its own metro area because the data shows that Boulder is a stronger commuter draw for Boulder County than Denver.

It's interesting that when Broomfield split from Boulder County and became an independent city, it was moved from the Boulder MSA to the Denver MSA. Makes you wonder if, had Broomfield stayed a part of Boulder County, by now it might've been enough to pull the whole county into Denver. I doubt it but it does make me wonder.
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Because metro areas are defined by the percentage of people commuting from a county into a given central city. Boulder is its own metro area because the data shows that Boulder is a stronger commuter draw for Boulder County than Denver.
I wonder how those numbers are evolving with time. With the new wave of tech in Boulder (Google, etc), I would suspect many of those workers probably live outside of Boulder. I could be wrong there.
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The aerotropolis is coming

A massive “aerotropolis” is planned for a patch of the plains near DIA that could end up bigger than the Denver Tech Center
March 11, 2018 by JOHN AGUILAR/Denver Post
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An 80 million-square-foot site for future retail, housing and industry near DIA now has a plan to pay for roads and could break ground in weeks

An Aurora development that in size could rival the Denver Tech Center and downtown Denver’s central business district — with up to 80 million square feet of commercial, office and retail space — is expected to break ground as soon as this spring on a quiet stretch of prairie just south of Denver International Airport.

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Hancock's aerotropolis idea was dubious at best, but this is just plain stupid. They should just change their slogan already. Aurora: Gateway to Kansas.

On the flip side, it's better that we grow into BFE rather than along the front range.

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Hancock's aerotropolis idea was dubious at best, but this is just plain stupid. They should just don't up south a new slogan already. Aurora: Gateway to Kansas. On the flip side, it's better that we grow into BFE rather than along the front range.
Yeah, that's kinda my feeling too. As much as we all hate sprawl, I would rather have it going east into Kansas then west into the hills. Plus, it helps in the overall metro by relieving pressure on the housing market if Aurora can start spitting out thousands of units.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 7:36 PM
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This story about Aerotropolis reminds me of that time Eeyore thought all Pueblo had to do to create its own version of DTC was zone a gigantic piece of empty land for office buildings.

The rest of it might happen. The homes and warehouses, sure. The retail, maybe. But 30 million square feet of office space? In the 21st Century gig economy? Outside the favored quarter? Not happening.
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Hoo Boy, looks like I managed to double post.
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On the flip side, it's better that we grow into BFE rather than along the front range.
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Yeah, that's kinda my feeling too. As much as we all hate sprawl, I would rather have it going east into Kansas then west into the hills. Plus, it helps in the overall metro by relieving pressure on the housing market if Aurora can start spitting out thousands of units.
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The rest of it might happen. The homes and warehouses, sure. The retail, maybe. But 30 million square feet of office space? In the 21st Century gig economy? Outside the favored quarter? Not happening.
Generally agree about the office space but there's a case to be made (in this case) by Kelly Brough from the article:
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Kelly Brough, president and CEO of the Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce, said the impact of development around DIA can go far beyond the metro area to a national and even international reach.

“What it really does for us as a state is ensure we have the ability to offer that asset,” she said. “There’s no question we understand the asset that is DIA — it’s our port to the world.”
Traditionally the most intensive development has been along I-25 which is why all the traffic. OTOH, E-470 has taken a coons age to add much traffic.

But with the push of continued growth (especially central Denver), Denver metro also needs to push eastward as The Dirt and twister244 suggest. It's partly where more affordability can be attained. DIA was destined to be a catalyst, it's just taken a lot longer than originally estimated.

While I-70 gets substantial local (commuter) use it's primary function is as a logistics corridor. From the West Coast, primarily Los Angeles and Long Beach where the lions share of imported goods and services arrive, all the west-east corridors help move things along. Regionally, I-70 is the primary warehouse/distribution area/corridor and sees a continuous movement of goods and services from the eastern plains into the foothills and Western Slope ski and resort areas etc... not to mention the logistics of local, metro and regional distribution.

Think Dallas
While the area around DFW pales in comparison the developing classy Richardson TX on the other (north) end where high level corporate HQ's are flocking, still the office space around DFW/Fort Worth serves a needed and important function. Lots of airline related and logistics related space along with the many industries that service all these industries which presumably includes fabrication facilities also.

Exactly how much office space might develop I couldn't speculate but it will be of a different nature and for a different purpose than what is found downtown and the DTC.
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Because metro areas are defined by the percentage of people commuting from a county into a given central city. Boulder is its own metro area because the data shows that Boulder is a stronger commuter draw for Boulder County than Denver.

It's interesting that when Broomfield split from Boulder County and became an independent city, it was moved from the Boulder MSA to the Denver MSA. Makes you wonder if, had Broomfield stayed a part of Boulder County, by now it might've been enough to pull the whole county into Denver. I doubt it but it does make me wonder.
Hmmm.... so if everyone in Glendale worked in Glendale, it would be its own metro area? Strange.

I would still include Boulder in metro Denver. They're on RTD, don't have their own news stations, very connected to Denver.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 8:53 PM
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I wonder how those numbers are evolving with time. With the new wave of tech in Boulder (Google, etc), I would suspect many of those workers probably live outside of Boulder. I could be wrong there.
You'd think with the cost of housing in Boulder, there would be many people living outside Boulder and commuting in from other Denver 'burbs.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2018, 9:08 PM
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Hmmm.... so if everyone in Glendale worked in Glendale, it would be its own metro area? Strange.
No. Because Glendale is part of Arapahoe County. It's all based on counties. You'd need everyone in Arapahoe County to work in Arapahoe County. Or I suppose you'd need Glendale to become an independent city and county, and then for everyone who lives there to work there.

There's no threat of that ever happening so it's not really a problem.
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I would still include Boulder in metro Denver. They're on RTD, don't have their own news stations, very connected to Denver.
Boulder is its own world and cannot be associated with "Denver".
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You'd think with the cost of housing in Boulder, there would be many people living outside Boulder and commuting in from other Denver 'burbs.
Yep, they commute to Boulder from Superior, Louisville, Lafayette, Broomfield, and Longmont.
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Now for something different, as I've always wondered how the Telephone Company Building (Denver's first major office building) would appear in the Denver skyline (and how the city's skyline would appear) had Denver been a much larger city in the 1920s, in the same league as Kansas City at the time. I rendered this beautiful building so it would boast the hypothetical title of being Denver's first "trophy tower", reigning king of the Denver skyline for around 50 years until the eventual 1980s skyscraper boom. I imagined a height of 38 stories, approximately 550' tall. The Telephone Company Building is truly one of Denver's most overlooked gems, and it's a shame the building is relegated to obscurity by the neighboring Auraria Campus Housing tower and the banal CenturyLink Long Lines building.

Perhaps if history had played out like this, many people in Denver wouldn't be so averse to increasing height and density if the Telephone Company Building had historically established Denver as a major "skyscraper city" reaching far back into our past.

I really can't convey how much I wish this rendering was real. Please make it real. Somebody please make it real...





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Please let this actually come into fruition. I need people to stop complaining about the long drive into the city lol

EDIT: Oh, just realized that it's not even on Pena. It's so far out...

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Boulder is its own world and cannot be associated with "Denver".
Boulder #1 city in Colorado with most beautiful views and walkable downtown area 😉
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I know that's what THEY think lol!
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