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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 1:27 AM
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In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 2:19 PM
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Hum, the one at Legacy is a shocker! Well, I would rather have Barnies back in Mobile anyway.
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In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.
I hate to see things going out of business, but I do think it is pretty funny that Starbucks opened all of those stores (Legacy Village, Old Shell/McGregor, and Old Shell/University) in the middle of all of Mobile's local coffee shops, thinking they could muscle them, and then they couldn't cut it. I remeber an article in Lagniappe about those openings and Carpe Diem, Satori's and Dr Java all thought they could out compete Starbucks. Looks like they were right. I would much rather see the big chain take a hit, than lose one of those local businesses.
P.S.-The Starbucks building at Old Shell and McGregor is a great location and would be an easy move in for a cafe now that Starbucks made some food service upgrades. I would love to see a local restaraunt or high end bar go in that location. I wish I was able to pull the trigger on a spot like that right now. It is in the heart of the wealthiest part of town and is in between two colleges (students have lots of disposable income and love to blow it on food/alcohol). I think someone could make a killing there.
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In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.

Mobile had the only Starbucks closings huh that`s weird I never see anyone in the Starbucks in Huntsville. I guess the Tanker has a lot to do with it, Serda`s DT seems to be doing realy well every time I pass that place I see people in and outside of the building.

Have anyone eaten at Noel B`s which is on the corner of Conti and Conception seems to be a new restaurant and had nice paintings on the walls ?
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 4:49 PM
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I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain )

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Noell B's has good bar-type food, especially the homemade potato chips, and friendly and attentive service. Unfortunately it's usually too smoky for us.
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I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain )
I love La Madeleine! We have a couple here in Baton Rouge. I actually called the DM of the chain and asked what it would take to open one in Mobile. I think that it would go well in Springhill.
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Check this place out.

http://www.legacy-village.com/
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Mobile had the only Starbucks closings huh that`s weird I never see anyone in the Starbucks in Huntsville. I guess the Tanker has a lot to do with it, Serda`s DT seems to be doing realy well every time I pass that place I see people in and outside of the building.
They may not be the only city in the state with Starbucks closings. Remember, that was just the first round...
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I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain )
AHH! i have been dying for mobile to ge ta La Madeline! i eat at the ones here in Baton Rouge all the time! We have 3 of them here, and they do great, and im sure Spring Hill would be a great location for one in Mobile. Yea i remember when the CCs tried to open up and failed....but they pulled out on all their locations outside of Louisiana. They are flourishing in Baton Rouge and NOLA for sure! they have just as many stores as Starbucks! - and trust me, they did the same thing in BR as they did in Mobile and put one on every freakin corner haha
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Check this place out.

http://www.legacy-village.com/
Yes, it's what Eastern Shore Centre could have been
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Please excuse me in advance, this post may be all over the place before I finish. I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities. The loop helps drive through traffic move faster and it opens the spur through town to be less crowded for local traffic. I've talked to tons of travelers and they all say the same thing, Interstate 10 (Wallace Tunnels) is one of the worst if not the worst bottle necks on there trip to Flordia. (That's a major problem in itself, passing through and not stopping) Nearly everyone who lives in Dallas, Memphis, St. Louis, Houston, Kansas City, Shreveport, etc.....have driven through Mobile on the way to Orlando. We in Mobile need to realize the interstate system was built for the purpose of moving people long distance's and as quickly as possible. We have to less selfish and realize a downtown I-10 bridge must be built. No more excuses. Many cities have high bridges in there downtown and it can be made to work, even enhance the area.

Now on Mobile's population decline, who cares. Most large MSA's have a very small city population. Atlanta, GA......city of Atlanta around 450,000, Atlanta MSA....... 8th largest in the Untied States. It's the region that matters. What hurts Mobile is the fact we are sandwich between two other fairly large MSA area's Pensacola and Gulfport/Biloxi. I often wonder how large Mobile would be if those two area's didn't exist.

Now for Downtown, we've got to get another larger cruise ship and then make is easy for those people to explore downtown. Also once there in downtown, there has to be things for them to do that is only unique to Mobile. For example, the Riverwalk in New Orleans. Seems like most of the stores have a Nawlin's flavor. Mobile needs to capture it's own style, and make Mobile the destination and not just the stop over on the way to Disney World or cruise to Mexico.
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Please excuse me in advance, this post may be all over the place before I finish. I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities. The loop helps drive through traffic move faster and it opens the spur through town to be less crowded for local traffic. I've talked to tons of travelers and they all say the same thing, Interstate 10 (Wallace Tunnels) is one of the worst if not the worst bottle necks on there trip to Flordia. (That's a major problem in itself, passing through and not stopping) Nearly everyone who lives in Dallas, Memphis, St. Louis, Houston, Kansas City, Shreveport, etc.....have driven through Mobile on the way to Orlando. We in Mobile need to realize the interstate system was built for the purpose of moving people long distance's and as quickly as possible. We have to less selfish and realize a downtown I-10 bridge must be built. No more excuses. Many cities have high bridges in there downtown and it can be made to work, even enhance the area.

Now on Mobile's population decline, who cares. Most large MSA's have a very small city population. Atlanta, GA......city of Atlanta around 450,000, Atlanta MSA....... 8th largest in the Untied States. It's the region that matters. What hurts Mobile is the fact we are sandwich between two other fairly large MSA area's Pensacola and Gulfport/Biloxi. I often wonder how large Mobile would be if those two area's didn't exist.

Now for Downtown, we've got to get another larger cruise ship and then make is easy for those people to explore downtown. Also once there in downtown, there has to be things for them to do that is only unique to Mobile. For example, the Riverwalk in New Orleans. Seems like most of the stores have a Nawlin's flavor. Mobile needs to capture it's own style, and make Mobile the destination and not just the stop over on the way to Disney World or cruise to Mexico.
Three of the cities that you tried to compare Mobile to from an infrastructure perspective are state capitals. I think that pretty much clears up why they have better infrastructure. Montgomery has a loop (although not a closed access loop) and is planning a second loop. Also two of those cities have a large SEC school, which helps boost the white collar jobs, mean income, population, etc (all of which lead to better infrastructure, stores, etc). I think those cities have advantages Mobile dose not have, so I'm not sure it is comparing apples to apples.
Can someone explain to me why a new bridge is needed so badly? I have heard lots of people say that the wallace tunnel is the worst bottleneck on I-10, but how will a bridge alleviate that? Regardless of how many people use the tunnel or a new bridge they all have to get back onto two lanes of bayway in each direction. I see no point in building a bridge unless you expand the bayway to 4 lanes each way also (and while they are at it, they should raise the baywya up a few feet so it isn't washed away by the next big direct hit from a storm.).
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In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.
Not a surprise at all. I think you had to walk in plus the people in the area already go to Carpe Diem. Starbucks over saturates an area and sees what works...they did a horrible job in the Spring Hill area.
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I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities.

Hallelujah and Amen! Alabama's urban infrastructure is in shambles from top to bottom and it aggravates the hell out of me (with the possible exception of Montgomery). No city in Alabama has a complete loop and it makes zero sense... yet another example of an inferior ALDOT
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Three of the cities that you tried to compare Mobile to from an infrastructure perspective are state capitals. I think that pretty much clears up why they have better infrastructure. Montgomery has a loop (although not a closed access loop) and is planning a second loop. Also two of those cities have a large SEC school, which helps boost the white collar jobs, mean income, population, etc (all of which lead to better infrastructure, stores, etc). I think those cities have advantages Mobile dose not have, so I'm not sure it is comparing apples to apples.
Can someone explain to me why a new bridge is needed so badly? I have heard lots of people say that the wallace tunnel is the worst bottleneck on I-10, but how will a bridge alleviate that? Regardless of how many people use the tunnel or a new bridge they all have to get back onto two lanes of bayway in each direction. I see no point in building a bridge unless you expand the bayway to 4 lanes each way also (and while they are at it, they should raise the baywya up a few feet so it isn't washed away by the next big direct hit from a storm.).
Thats why ive said that Mobile will be lacking for a long time. All those other cities have reasons for people to be there (state capitals, or big universities). Now baton rouge just revealed yesterday that they are planning a huge museum attraction downtown. Unless Mobile gets some sort of MAJOR attractions - other than a cruise ship - we will always be behind other cities of our size. Pensacola has the beaches, Biloxi/Gulfport has the casino's, Baton Rouge has LSU and the capitol, Montgomery - well...sorry anyone from Montgomery, but Mobile is still better than you, Huntsville seems to be progressing nicely - I guess because of all the high-paying engineering jobs... y'all get my drift... Mobile: GET SOME BIG ATTRACTIONS! I was in town this weekend and realized just how boring the city really is! I was at the mall and thought, damn! where do people shop around here?! (oh yea, the eastern shore!)
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Since education will play an important role in the future success of Mobile (training workers and competing with neighboring municipalities with school systems), I wanted to get some peoples take on Manzie replacing Fleet Belle and Crenshaw replacing Fournier. I think a few of you guys said yall were from Toulminville and I don't know alot about that community, the schools, or the officials that pepresent that area. I have always heard that Fournier and Belle (Thomas before him) were pretty corrupt and caused alot of problems for the school board and the system as a whole. Will the new blood on the board help change the school system for the better or are we in for more of the same? I know there was alot of drama with the Manzie vs Belle election. I also was curious about Crenshaw coming from Bishop St. There has been alot of scandal surrounding the Bishop St and previous administrators from there (David Thomas). Was Crenshaw a better choice than Marshall?
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Yes, it's what Eastern Shore Centre could have been
No it is what our Legacy Village could have been, what are you thinking!
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From what I read, Mobile only lost 550 people. Sounds like a common move to me. Every city has that type of people.
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