BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

But they wanted a cap-and-trade system (tax) so it was just populist electioneering tactics repeated.

He's still a passionate defender of the tax he just found a nuanced way to say he could be forced by external forces (evil Trudeau) to axe it.

Unlike the Federal government, removing the BC carbon tax will blow a big hole in a budget already deep in red ink. Nobody seems to talk about that either.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Unlike the Federal government, removing the BC carbon tax will blow a big hole in a budget already deep in red ink. Nobody seems to talk about that either.

But they said they would target "big producers" so who knows if it would even drop that much. It's currently $1.6 billion after rebates. Total provincial revenues is around 77 billion dollars.

B.C. is expected to obtain $2.6 billion in revenue from the tax over the current fiscal year, with over $1 billion of that going back to eligible British Columbians through the climate action tax credit.

https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-scrap-c...in,the%20climate%20action%20tax%20credit.

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/bc-bud...es-from-2023-as-spending-is-prioritized/

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Unlike the Federal government, removing the BC carbon tax will blow a big hole in a budget already deep in red ink. Nobody seems to talk about that either.

Deficits? The NDP don't worry 'bout no stinking deficits.

[CanSpice]

At least two people I know who are big NDP supporters (in terms of donations, volunteering, and public support) are pretty pissed about this move, to the point where they're likely not voting at all in the election now. Great move, Eby.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

At least two people I know who are big NDP supporters (in terms of donations, volunteering, and public support) are pretty pissed about this move, to the point where they're likely not voting at all in the election now. Great move, Eby.

They should at least vote for the Greens. Let the NDP get the message that people who are concerned about the environment pay attention to when politicians act like opportunists.

[GenWhy?]

The folks that think climate change will dramatically increase if we get rid of the carbon tax should probably vote for the Greens. I want those people out of the NDP so we can get more "labour votes"

[Migrant_Coconut]

Eby in that same article specifically says "big polluters" (i.e. corporations, the reason BC's per-capita emissions are so "high" compared to many countries) would still be on the hook, so from an environmental perspective, it's not as big a deal as everybody makes it out to be.

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

The folks that think climate change will dramatically increase if we get rid of the carbon tax should probably vote for the Greens. I want those people out of the NDP so we can get more "labour votes"

They could always try and run on bringing the bridge tolls back (which isn't a bad idea per se, just political suicide) and see how far that gets them.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

They could always try and run on bringing the bridge tolls back (which isn't a bad idea per se, just political suicide) and see how far that gets them.

What's hilarious, to contrast CanSpice's post, is that the toll cancellation by the NDP almost made ME not want to vote for them lol

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

They should at least vote for the Greens. Let the NDP get the message that people who are concerned about the environment pay attention to when politicians act like opportunists.

I was looking at doing that. However there is very little info on the local candidate that is running in Victoria-Swan Lake. The Greens are not doing a great job at positioning and promoting their candidates.

Actually, the local independent, former Liberal candidate looks more compelling. I wonder if any of those independents get in.

[NetMapel]

B.C. to open 'highly secure' involuntary care facilities

B.C. will be opening "highly secure facilities" for people with concurrent addiction and mental health issues, as well as brain injuries, officials said Sunday.

The announcement came at a Sunday news conference with the premier, the attorney general, Vancouver's mayor and representatives from two First Nations.

"All of the facilities will provide involuntary care under the B.C. Mental Health Act for people certified as requiring that care," a news release accompanying the announcement said.

In addition to dedicated, stand-alone facilities, the province will also be establishing "secure treatment" within B.C. correctional facilities.

I was happy to see BC NDP tackling zoning issues that is causing BC's housing restrictions before. Now they're also tackling our equally famously bad addiction/mental health issues? All I can say is finally.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by NetMapel

I was happy to see BC NDP tackling zoning issues that is causing BC's housing restrictions before. Now they're also tackling our equally famously bad addiction/mental health issues? All I can say is finally.

Oh gosh you'd think an election was coming up or something...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Oh gosh you'd think an election was coming up or something...

Yeah could David Eby be more of a political hypocrite? He’s basically jettisoning what he claimed were his principles on numerous issues as he plays catch up to Rustad and the Cons. If that’s the policies you want, vote for the real thing because you can bet Eby will flip again if he wins the election.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Would you prefer they double down on the legal drugs? They're literally admitting they made a mistake and trying something different.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Would you prefer they double down on the legal drugs? They're literally admitting they made a mistake and trying something different.

Gee, maybe they could have used commonsense and never tried an experiment everyone with a grain of sense said would end badly. And who really believes Eby, erstwhile head of Pivot Legal, will actually follow through with involuntary treatment?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Gee, maybe they could have used commonsense and never tried an experiment everyone with a grain of sense said would end badly. And who really believes Eby, erstwhile head of Pivot Legal, will actually follow through with involuntary treatment?

If common sense were common, why does nobody use it? They tried something which was apparently working elsewhere, and they ditched it as soon as they realized it wasn't (unlike several other politicians I can think of).

Slightly more than I believe Rustad has any kind of drugs or homelessness plan at all.

[jollyburger]

British Columbia will be opening secure facilities to provide involuntary care under the Mental Health Act for those with severe addictions who are mentally ill and have sustained a brain injury, the premier announced Sunday just days ahead of the start of a provincial election campaign.

Vigo said that in order for a person to be treated involuntarily under the act, they currently have to have a mental disorder that leaves them unable to interact safely with others and regulate their own behaviour.

Eby said the province’s hospitals interpret the current Mental Health Act inconsistently, so Vigo will be sending out clarifications on how it can be applied in cases involving addiction before the legislation is formally changed.

Eby said the first site providing care for those with addictions, mental illness and brain injuries will open in Maple Ridge on the grounds of the Alouette Correctional Centre “in the coming months,” adding there are plans to expand throughout the province.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/09/15/eby-pledges-involuntary-care-for-severe-addictions-in-b-c/

[casper]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Gee, maybe they could have used commonsense and never tried an experiment everyone with a grain of sense said would end badly. And who really believes Eby, erstwhile head of Pivot Legal, will actually follow through with involuntary treatment?

This experiment started in 1985 when the Social Credit (what the Conservatives were called back then) shutdown Riverview and moved to the current model.

Eby has at least been trying to fix the problem.

The downtown east side has been a disaster for a generation if not longer.

[BaddieB]

Which can be proven by a simple Google Street view search to East Hastings prior to 2017. Or even along City Parkway in Surrey.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Yeah could David Eby be more of a political hypocrite? He’s basically jettisoning what he claimed were his principles on numerous issues as he plays catch up to Rustad and the Cons. If that’s the policies you want, vote for the real thing because you can bet Eby will flip again if he wins the election.

So you're a BC Conspiracy Party voter? Color me shocked.

[GenWhy?]

Didn't the NDP either in 2022 or 2023 expand what you could be in involuntary treatment for and started work to expand facilities and personnel?

So isn't Eby's announcement just a "we're now in phase 2 of what we said we'd do a year ago"?

Am I missing something here? I don't see any flip flopping.

Involuntary treatment is also on the rise for years.