SAN ANTONIO | 300 Main | 32 FLOORS | 388 FEET | Complete

[kingkirbythe....]

Originally Posted by SproutingTowers

Here is one rendering.

https://ibb.co/ThkRZWk

I forgot about that one. Good find, but the three tiered one was different. I'm not sure, but i think this one was in between the three tiered version and the built wall.

[texboy]

Originally Posted by SproutingTowers

Here is one rendering.

https://ibb.co/ThkRZWk

I guess its more of a two tier design with a massive parking deck, but that is the one I'm thinking of.

[Dan In Real Life]

Originally Posted by SproutingTowers

Here is one rendering.

https://ibb.co/ThkRZWk

Thank you for posting this. What a missed opportunity compared to that wall we have downtown.

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by Dan In Real Life

Thank you for posting this. What a missed opportunity compared to that wall we have downtown.

I agree. But as I remember, the main reason the red building didn't get approved was because of its height. Because of its location it would have blocked the view of the Tower of the Americas from Alamo Plaza, or at least overshadowed it.

The Great Wall of San Antonio was designed to prevent that as a response. It has the lower end (with the pool on top) which is also set back from Market Street.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/740+E+...8d9f2c98f5!8m2!3d29.421859!4d-98.4835076

... thus allowing for the unimpeded view of the TOA. (This is the closest I could get on Google Maps, but you get the idea.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4257935,...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4265018,...i6N-8QaMiP-n5PUXeSEqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[jkill34]

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

I agree. But as I remember, the main reason the red building didn't get approved was because of its height. Because of its location it would have blocked the view of the Tower of the Americas from Alamo Plaza, or at least overshadowed it.

The Great Wall of San Antonio was designed to prevent that as a response. It has the lower end (with the pool on top) which is also set back from Market Street.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/740+E+...8d9f2c98f5!8m2!3d29.421859!4d-98.4835076

... thus allowing for the unimpeded view of the TOA. (This is the closest I could get on Google Maps, but you get the idea.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4257935,...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4265018,...i6N-8QaMiP-n5PUXeSEqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Great observation.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

I agree. But as I remember, the main reason the red building didn't get approved was because of its height. Because of its location it would have blocked the view of the Tower of the Americas from Alamo Plaza, or at least overshadowed it.

The Great Wall of San Antonio was designed to prevent that as a response. It has the lower end (with the pool on top) which is also set back from Market Street.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/740+E+...8d9f2c98f5!8m2!3d29.421859!4d-98.4835076

... thus allowing for the unimpeded view of the TOA. (This is the closest I could get on Google Maps, but you get the idea.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4257935,...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.4265018,...i6N-8QaMiP-n5PUXeSEqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

No. That is unequivocally untrue. The “no building can be taller than the TOA or block it’s views” is a myth. That convention center hotel was proposed prior to 9/11. When 9/11 happened it caused tourism to come crashing down, it was then dropped. That’s the reason it never got built.

[jaga185]

https://imgur.com/a/zYrDzba

Wouldn't that have been this one?

Either way, I feel we're getting off-topic on this structure...

[kingkirbythe....]

Originally Posted by jaga185

https://imgur.com/a/zYrDzba

Wouldn't that have been this one?

Either way, I feel we're getting off-topic on this structure...

THAT'S IT!

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by jaga185

https://imgur.com/a/zYrDzba

Wouldn't that have been this one?

Either way, I feel we're getting off-topic on this structure...

Yes. That’s the pre 9/11 proposal. When I first clicked on the other link it was a dead link and thought they were talking about this Sheraton proposal. Re-clicked it and saw it was the multi colored “cd shelf stand” proposal that I was a big fan of.

Needless to say, the height wasn’t the reason it changed. This was proposed by a different group from the one selected.

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

No. That is unequivocally untrue. The “no building can be taller than the TOA or block it’s views” is a myth. That convention center hotel was proposed prior to 9/11. When 9/11 happened it caused tourism to come crashing down, it was then dropped. That’s the reason it never got built.

Well, I've been put in my place. Don't I feel like a schmuck? (No, I don't. But thanks for trying.)

OK, so apparently I was wrong. That's why I said, "... as I remember..." Next time, maybe try to correct someone with a little more civility. And with that said, have a nice day.

[Restless One]

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

Well, I've been put in my place. Don't I feel like a schmuck? (No, I don't. But thanks for trying.)

OK, so apparently I was wrong. That's why I said, "... as I remember..." Next time, maybe try to correct someone with a little more civility. And with that said, have a nice day.

A little of the history here:

https://www.hotel-online.com/wp-content/...PR2004_4th/Dec04_SanAnotonioCCHotel.html

I don't remember each of the three competing bids that were mulled over after Sheraton/Starwood could not get financing, but I'm pretty sure the one we got was the least attractive.

[Restless One]

On a side note, here is a thread about some SA projects that never broke ground. Unfortunately, some of the pics are no longer available on the site, but still kind of interesting:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/san-antonio-never-built.1571998/#post-98892139

[texboy]

Originally Posted by Restless One

On a side note, here is a thread about some SA projects that never broke ground. Unfortunately, some of the pics are no longer available on the site, but still kind of interesting:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/san-antonio-never-built.1571998/#post-98892139

This is all great, but we are really getting off track here. I think the above link could go in the off topic thread or metro thread.

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by texboy

This is all great, but we are really getting off track here. I think the above link could go in the off topic thread or metro thread.

We gotta do something to fill the time until there's actual news about this building.

Dancing banana.

[Restless One]

Originally Posted by texboy

This is all great, but we are really getting off track here. I think the above link could go in the off topic thread or metro thread.

I figured if that's the case, a moderator can move the discussion. I decided to post directly to Jack.

You're probably correct though.

[starvinggryphon]

After months of no news, the first hint at construction might have appeared. Txdot has put up signs advising that Soledad Street between Travis and Pecan will be closed beginning on 1-17-21.

[texboy]

Originally Posted by starvinggryphon

After months of no news, the first hint at construction might have appeared. Txdot has put up signs advising that Soledad Street between Travis and Pecan will be closed beginning on 1-17-21.

Awesome! Does anyone know how to look up the FAA filing for tower cranes on this? Are there going to be 1 or 2?

[KevinFromTexas]

Originally Posted by texboy

Awesome! Does anyone know how to look up the FAA filing for tower cranes on this? Are there going to be 1 or 2?

None that I could find since last year except this one from last April. It listed the work schedule as 07/30/2021 to 06/30/2023, but I don't put too much stock into FAA dates.
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=477941141&row=5

[The Model]

I would think two cranes. This building is really long, stretching from Pecan to Travis.
The Frost had two, the Arts Thompson had two and the new Jefferson Bank had two.

[KevinFromTexas]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up having three. Two for the tower sections with one of those working on the shorter setback, in addition to the main tower section, and a third crane for the podium along Main Street.