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Old Posted Feb 20, 2015, 6:42 PM
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Even though I can say that myself and my family are all victims of communism, being born and raised in Poland during the communist era, and having had to endure the harsh day to day realities of life back in the 80s, I too agree that this monument is out of place and should be erected elsewhere in our Capital. With that said, I think the same logic should be attributed to the Holocaust monument, which will be an even bigger monstrosity and way too visible for what it should be, on a prominent high traffic intersection. It too should be protested and moved. But that will never happen, as we live in a culture of fear and brainwashing, where anyone who speaks out against anything related to the Holocaust, Jews or Israel is considered anti-semitic. Not to mention the fact that excavation for this one already began last fall.

In the end, we just have to agree that while both of these monuments are unnecessary in their proposed forms and locations, they will end up being constructed because they both serve as methods by the Harper government to secure certain votes in the next election. Holocaust memorial and pro-Israel stance = votes from Jewish community and Communist memorial = votes from ex Communist block immigrants. Big question is whether all these gained votes will end up being offset by people who are against these memorials? I doubt it, because I'm quite sure its a small amount of people who are against these monuments who will change their votes compared to huge population of the Jews and ex-communist immigrants who will vote pro-Harper as a result of these monuments.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2015, 6:03 PM
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Liberals poised to oppose location for victims of communism memorial

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 24, 2015, Last Updated: February 24, 2015 7:34 PM EST


After some hesitation, the Liberal party appears ready to join other critics in calling for a new site for the planned Memorial to the Victims of Communism.

Former party leader Stéphane Dion, the party’s critic for Canadian Heritage, along with Ottawa MPs David McGuinty and Mauril Bélanger have scheduled a news conference for Thursday. According to a spokesman for Dion, they aren’t opposed to the memorial, but will ask that it be placed on a “suitable site.”

The pending news conference signals an apparent shift in the Liberal party’s position. Two weeks ago, a spokeswoman for Liberal leader Justin Trudeau told the Citizen Trudeau was “not commenting on the location of the site.”

The chosen site for the $5.5 million memorial — on Wellington Street between the Supreme Court of Canada and Library and Archives Canada — has generated growing opposition in the past few weeks, led by architects and architectural organizations.

Neither Dion, McGuinty nor Bélanger was talking Tuesday. But in an interview last week, McGuinty, MP for Ottawa-South, said he had “serious concerns” about the site. “This is prime real estate, prime location,” he said, adding that the memorial “just doesn’t fit.”

McGuinty said the original site allocated by the National Capital Commission, in the Garden of the Provinces, would be more suitable.

Catherine McKenna, the Liberal candidate in Ottawa Centre, said last week the current site was “totally inappropriate.”

The issue comes up often during her canvassing, McKenna said. “People are furious. They just don’t understand why we would put this memorial in such a prime location,” she said.

“People feel this is a purely political decision by the Conservatives, without consultation, without transparency, that’s to the detriment of the people of Ottawa.”

New Democrat Paul Dewar, MP for Ottawa Centre, spoke out publicly against the memorial’s current location earlier this month and Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson called it a “blight” on the Wellington Street site.

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This is good news
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This is good news
Except it's likely to make Skippy expedite the project.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2015, 9:33 PM
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So I emailed Galipeau twice and still no response womp womp
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An article on cbc.ca about the Liberals who are now opposing the monument.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...-say-1.2973128
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Another one in LaPresse.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/20...te-demande.php

Someone should compile a list of all those who oppose this project. I believe the list is becoming pretty substantial...
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2015, 6:07 PM
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Another one in LaPresse.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/20...te-demande.php

Someone should compile a list of all those who oppose this project. I believe the list is becoming pretty substantial...
The longer the list gets, the more Skippy Poilievre is gonna dig in his heels. He'll probably personally start pouring concrete by the week after Easter.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2015, 7:34 PM
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The longer the list gets, the more Skippy Poilievre is gonna dig in his heels. He'll probably personally start pouring concrete by the week after Easter.
Pay no mind to Skippy, His Majesty will give royal ascent that the only thing that can go in that location is a memorial that is out of place. Not necessarily the victims of communisim, but perhaps a memorial to victims of liberalism.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2015, 11:47 PM
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Victims of Communism memorial downsized as Tories and Liberals spar over site

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 26, 2015, Last Updated: February 26, 2015 6:28 PM EST


The Conservative government fired back at the Liberals on Thursday for advocating a new site for the Memorial to the Victims of Communism, as the head of the team that designed it disclosed that it has substantially downsized the controversial memorial.

Voytek Gorczynski, the head of ABSTRAKT Studio Architecture in Toronto, said he and his team are “reducing some of the elements” of the memorial as they refine the design.

The memorial will now occupy about half the 5,000-square-metre site on Wellington Street between the Supreme Court of Canada and Library and Archives Canada, Gorczynski said in an interview. It had previously filled about 60 per cent of the site, he said.

The memorial consists of two main elements. One is a series of parallel concrete folds, rising above 14 metres at their tallest point, covered with 100 million “memory squares” representing lives lost to communist regimes worldwide. The other, called the Bridge of Hope, is a large, triangular viewing platform.

While the design team has been unable to downsize the concrete folds very much, Gorczynski said the Bridge of Hope has been shortened by 20 metres and lowered by nearly two metres.

The changes were partly in response to criticism of the memorial’s scale, Gorczynski said, but also involved “fine-tuning the composition and balancing it out visually. We felt the Bridge of Hope was a little bit too big in relationship to the folds.”

He said the design team opted for a large-scale monument to symbolize and reflect the “magnitude of the crimes” committed by communist regimes.

Most of the controversy over the memorial has centred on its prominent location on Confederation Boulevard. Though some Ottawa Liberal MPs and candidates had raised concerns, the party had remained silent on the issue.

That changed Thursday. At a news conference, the party’s critic for Canadian Heritage, Stéphane Dion — flanked by Ottawa MPs David McGuinty and Mauril Bélanger and local candidates Catherine McKenna and Anita Vandenbeld — aligned themselves with those who want the memorial relocated.

Dion stressed that the Liberals support a monument, saying Canada has a “moral duty to remember these atrocities” and observing that the country has “immensely benefited” from immigrants fleeing communist nations.

But he said the chosen site had long been reserved for a new building to complete a “judicial triad” centred on the Supreme Court. That would not be possible if the monument is built there, he said.

The Conservative government swiftly counter-attacked. Heritage Minister Shelley Glover’s office issued a statement accusing the Liberals of effectively telling the eight million Canadians who trace their origins to communist countries “that they do not deserve a prominent site for their place of collective memory.”

Glover’s statement observed that Liberal leader Justin Trudeau knew where the memorial would be built when he wrote a letter supporting the project in February 2014. Trudeau and the Liberal party “will have to answer to those millions of Canadians whose families found refuge and liberty in our great country,” Glover’s statement said.

Bélanger said the monument as currently designed could be accommodated at the Garden of the Provinces, the nearly-as-prominent Wellington Street site originally allocated by the National Capital Commission.

McGuinty and Bélanger both said they have received many comments about the memorial from constituents. “Every point of contact has been negative,” McGuinty said. “When the entire city is saying, ‘What are you doing?’, there’s a problem.”

The Ottawa South MP called the government’s handling of the project “profoundly disrespectful” of those who suffered under communist regimes and the citizens of Ottawa.

“This is what happens when a government doesn’t come clean,” he said. “There’s no transparency. People have not been consulted.”

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2015, 7:58 AM
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Does anyone know what the actual construction schedule is?
Can this project be stopped or will Harper push it through before a fall election?
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2015, 12:14 PM
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Given the uproar over its location, even if it is successfully built before an election, it could be relocated without huge political expense.
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Watched CTV Ottawa news at 6pm. Poilievre opposes site for Victims of Communism memorial!

New found respect for the guy.

How long before he gets booted, "resigns" or retracts his comment?
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2015, 1:54 PM
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Watched CTV Ottawa news at 6pm. Poilievre opposes site for Victims of Communism memorial!

New found respect for the guy.

How long before he gets booted, "resigns" or retracts his comment?
That is really surprising. I can only assume that he thinks it would hurt his re-election chances if he were to support the site. Still, it seems extraordinary for him to be out of step with his master's voice.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2015, 2:20 PM
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Maybe there's more to Poilievre than the Harperbot we've come to know.
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Watched CTV Ottawa news at 6pm. Poilievre opposes site for Victims of Communism memorial!

New found respect for the guy.

How long before he gets booted, "resigns" or retracts his comment?
I'm pleasantly surprised!
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Watched CTV Ottawa news at 6pm. Poilievre opposes site for Victims of Communism memorial!

New found respect for the guy.

How long before he gets booted, "resigns" or retracts his comment?
I just had a bit of an episode... then I reread this... and gotta say, he will not be given any position if re-elected Im sure.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2015, 2:35 PM
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Maybe he's concluded that his government is not getting re-elected and so he can do whatever? If Harper removes him from the post now it would look awful.
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Instead of this fake "Bridge of Hope" that spans nothing but grass, maybe they should redesign this monument as part of an actual useful footbridge. There are so many places in the city that needs one. A footbridge across the Rideau Canal would get more exposure than this frumpy corner, plus it could double as an arch on the skateway (giving it some additional BS spin like the "Gates of Liberty")
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This also made the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/wo...esty.html?_r=0
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